CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

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I have come to the conclusion that GMT is really the marketing company behind the soon to be released Pro1 DVD. He started all of these debates, for the express purpose of bringing to the forefront the controversy regarding CTE. Sure, nothing he said has not already been said 100's of times in the past 15 yrs. However, his timing is impeccable, and his persistence is that of a marketing genius. Due to GMT, the sales of the DVD will be through the roof.

Yes, this post is sarcastic. But if it were really true, a big applause to Stan.
 
I don't know CTE from a hole in the wall. What I do know though is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Just because evidence isn't readily available to support something that in itself isn't evidence against it. To think otherwise is a logic fallacy.

Formerly, this kind of reasoning is known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or an argument from ignorance.

Serge
This is incorrect in two ways:

1. Argument from ignorance is not what you describe. It's the assumption that something must be true if there's no evidence against it. And that is a logical fallacy.

2. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is not a logical fallacy. Absence of evidence is frequently valid evidence of absence. For instance, I don't see you in this room with me, so I can logically infer you're not here. It has its limitations, but it's not a logical fallacy. In fact, it's at the heart of predictive science - "if x is true, then y should occur, so if y doesn't occur, then x isn't true".

pj
chgo
 
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If calling respected instructors snake oil salesmen, insulting their livelihood, and throwing condescending insult after insult isn't grounds to get banned - I don't know what is. Funny how you think that those responding to insults in a harsh manner are the "real" ones taking pot shots. He deserved to get banned (I hope he never comes back). Hey, I'll admit -- you're no Mother Teresa either but and least your insults and cocky innuendos are so passive-aggressive, most go unnoticed.

Thinking GMT got the shit end of the stick is like thinking Hitler was misunderstood. CRAZY.


Why should he be prevented from calling someone a sake oil salesman if that's the way he feels in light of the evidence presented to date? (If you think about it, almost everyone in these CTE threads has been called far worse than "snake oil salesman.") And his comments are only condescending to those that lack confidence in their own standing. If you feel weak, uneducated, inexperienced, stupid, intellectually inferior, whatever, then you're going to take his comments as being condescending. If you have confidence in yourself and your position you are not.

You nor I are in a position to decide who should get banned. That's for the mods to decide. And the numb nuts that keep trying to get people booted, or even better, the one's that subtlety try and lead certain posters to not post anymore, only so that they can later crow that that individual has "been driven away by the attackers and naysayers" should back off and get a grip.

Lou Figueroa
Mother Teresa
rests well
 
I'd be thinking that if anyone at all in these posts would have the "right" to contact the mods regarding GMT, it would have been me. The guy questioned my intelligence, and pretty much called me a liar about having a degree in anything besides Tarot Card reading. I never said a word to anyone, never reported him to mods, and never tore him a new one.

Some people are being a little thin skinned. Man up, take the lumps. No one got hurt by him. If someone ended up feeling inferior because of things GMT said to them, their issue is with their own self awareness and self esteem, and not with GMT.

Bring the kid back. He's not causing me to lose sleep, and I haven't had to revisit any of my textbooks to prove I'm not stupid, or was perhaps a closet Fine Arts major.


Alright, you rock!

Lou Figueroa
Shawn and I
have finally found
common ground
 
I was the one who used it and I stand by it (see how that works, Spider).

I was addressing the radical, intolerant, mob-stirring behavior of *those few* calling for permanent bans, particularly when they themselves have engaged in behavior at least as hateful as the behavior of those they accuse.

Lou Figueroa

I understood that analogy. Your wording was "Taliban-like", which I saw for what it was. It was a veiled description not in good taste, jmo, especially coming from a fellow USAF compadre. But, it is not a direct attack and I understood this.

When i was growing up the term, "Nazi" was never thrown around either for obvious reasons. If it was used it was not as a description of anybody other than the Nazis themselves. Today it is thrown around to describe injustices and similarly I understand your use of the Taliban reference. Time will soften my views I suppose, but not anytime soon.

Best,
Mike
not adding anything like Lou does :-)
 
Lou , GMT went far beyond being a critic, and you yourself are famous
for your pop shots . The slander towards Stan was uncalled for.
It was as if he was on a mission to discredit him and .other top
instructors that contribute in a positive manner to pool and this
forum. GMT has made it clear that he thinks he is superior and who
is some instructor to tell him he is wrong .


He wasn't on any mission other than to show that you can't have an aiming system without taking into account where the frippin' pockets are. That was the only mission he was on. Intellectually it amazed him that so many could be bamboozled.

Lou Figueroa
pop shots?
 
I understood that analogy. Your wording was "Taliban-like", which I saw for what it was. It was a veiled description not in good taste, jmo, especially coming from a fellow USAF compadre. But, it is not a direct attack and I understood this.

When i was growing up the term, "Nazi" was never thrown around either for obvious reasons. If it was used it was not as a description of anybody other than the Nazis themselves. Today it is thrown around to describe injustices and similarly I understand your use of the Taliban reference. Time will soften my views I suppose, but not anytime soon.

Best,
Mike
not adding anything like Lou does :-)


My apologies to you, Mike, if you found any offense. It was targeted against some very specific individuals. If it's one thing that does get under my skin it's intolerance and there seems to be a lot of that being tossed around by guys that should know better. Once again, sorry if I offended.

Lou Figueroa
 
He wasn't on any mission other than to show that you can't have an aiming system without taking into account where the frippin' pockets are. That was the only mission he was on. Intellectually it amazed him that so many could be bamboozled.

Lou Figueroa
pop shots?

LOOK at the name of THIS thread.
GMT was not trying to learn, he was bashing people.
POP SHOT = smart a$$ comments
 
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I'd be thinking that if anyone at all in these posts would have the "right" to contact the mods regarding GMT, it would have been me. The guy questioned my intelligence, and pretty much called me a liar about having a degree in anything besides Tarot Card reading. I never said a word to anyone, never reported him to mods, and never tore him a new one.

Some people are being a little thin skinned. Man up, take the lumps. No one got hurt by him. If someone ended up feeling inferior because of things GMT said to them, their issue is with their own self awareness and self esteem, and not with GMT.

Bring the kid back. He's not causing me to lose sleep, and I haven't had to revisit any of my textbooks to prove I'm not stupid, or was perhaps a closet Fine Arts major.

Get JB Cases to folllow this path and you would win the Nobel Prize for Behavioral Science.
 
He wasn't on any mission other than to show that you can't have an aiming system without taking into account where the frippin' pockets are. That was the only mission he was on. Intellectually it amazed him that so many could be bamboozled.

Lou Figueroa
pop shots?

Lou, you have the same problem he did. You only read what you want to hear. MANY,MANY times, he was informed that he was wrong in this statement. Yet he, and now you, want to continue to use it. You DO need to know what pocket you want to put the ball in. AFTER that, you don't need the pockets location anymore. If you understood anything about the system, you would know that. NO ONE is saying that you NEVER need to consider where the pocket is. You need to know it's general location so you know if you need a thin or a thick lineup. But, you do not need to know it's exact location.
 
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LOOK at the name of THIS thread.
GMT was not trying to learn, he was bashing people.
POP SHOT = smart a$$ comments


That's wrong. GMT's thread got deleted and then locked up (and who feels like going all the way over to the NPR section anyway). This thread was handy after his thread got locked up -- it just became the new CTE nexus by default.

Lou Figueroa
 
Lou, you have the same problem he did. You only read what you want to hear. MANY,MANY times, he was informed that he was wrong in this statement. Yet he, and now you, want to continue to use it. You DO need to know what pocket you want to put the ball in. AFTER that, you don't need the pockets location anymore. If you understood anything about the system, you would know that. NO ONE is saying that you NEVER need to consider where the pocket is.


Yes, of course, I'm the one with the problem. Go watch Spider's video again -- you know the one where he shoots balls with half the table covered up so he can prove you don't need to know where the pockets are -- and get back to me.

Lou Figueroa
 
That's wrong. GMT's thread got deleted and then locked up (and who feels like going all the way over to the NPR section anyway). This thread was handy after his thread got locked up -- it just became the new CTE nexus by default.

Lou Figueroa

Poor choice of default threads
The reverse of your post referring to marketing of a product
Petey
Has No fight with Lou
 
My apologies to you, Mike, if you found any offense. It was targeted against some very specific individuals. If it's one thing that does get under my skin it's intolerance and there seems to be a lot of that being tossed around by guys that should know better. Once again, sorry if I offended.

Lou Figueroa

No apology necessary, Lou. I understand your reason for posting in these threads. I know the ribbing and the teasing are a part of life, so I chuckle instead of getting pi$$ed. I see where crossing the line though can always be an issue.

Best,
Mike
 
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