CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

[SpiderWebComm]

For people who can already play. But beginners' eyes light up with discovery when they're shown it. Your perspective is limited.

pj
chgo

And your humor is limited. I mean, with an approximation system such as a peace-sign, how can beginners possibly improve?

 

[eezbank]

For people who can already play. But beginners' eyes light up with discovery when they're shown it. Your perspective is limited.

pj
chgo

Their eyes may light up but probably also fill with tears from trying to hold back the laughter!!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...beginners' eyes light up with discovery when they're shown [the "peace sign" trick].

pj
chgo

eezbank:
Their eyes may light up but probably also fill with tears from trying to hold back the laughter!!

What's funny about it?

pj <- this from the guy with a Dr. Spock avatar
chgo

 

[JoeyA]

Joey,

If a reasonable person looks at the wealth of free information provided on my noncommercial website, and then looks at the numerous posts you have made like this, it will be clear to him or her what is "commercialism" and what is not.

For the record, I'm not generally opposed to "commercialism," but I am opposed to some of the CTE "marketing" we have seen over these many years.

Very disappointed in Joey right now,
Dave

Dave,
You don't see my sense of humor. You posted all of those links to your web site when I made a little joke about my not attaching the link for "DAM" NAYSAYERS and I actually thought that was funny.

You can't have it both ways. Your links ARE GREAT IMO, but the bottom line reason for all of them is quite transparent and that it is to encourage people to purchase your VEPS series (WHICH I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO ANYONE). I think there is nothing wrong with your commericalization of utilizing links that drive customers to your website. Afterall, those links contain great information for those seeking it and many or most of the links are FREE. :thumbup:

You are a valuable contributor to AZB Main Forum and to the pool world. I stand by that in spite of not agreeing with some of your humor and tactics in dealing with other forum members.

I don't know what marketing you are talking about when it comes to CTE as HAL HOULE just gave it away free of charge. Sure, he gave it away in bits and pieces and it was not the easiest thing to communicate or to use effectively.

There hasn't been any marketing for CTE/Pro One to date, to speak of. Hopefully that will change for Stan's benefit since it cost him a pretty penny and hundreds of hours to refine and define CTE/Pro One in a video.

Joey,

It's not like you to mock something that is so useful to so many people.

IMO, this doesn't reflect well on you.

You might also claim that my mockery of the ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims made by "CTE proponents" over the years also reflects poorly on me; but I disagree, based on the information available to date.

Regards,
Dave

Again, I'm sorry you don't see my humor. When I first looked at EZ Banks avatar, I just saw the Live Long and Prosper sign by Spock and teased EZBanks for advertising the 30 degree rule (giving you further credit for making me aware of that useful rule).

When I looked at EZBAnk's avatar a little later I realized that the angle of the fingers is smaller than a traditional size Peace Sign, GIVING you FURTHER credit for a very useful tool.

I don't like explaining my humor this much but you sounded sincere so I had to give you at least as much in return.

This thread is about CTE/Pro One, not the CTE that is on your web site, not the CTE that is taught by others, not the CTE that the naysayers hound like jackals on a hourly basis. This is the exclusive, detailed and defined CTE/Pro One as taught by Stan Shuffett.

This thread is about CTE/Pro One by Stan Shuffett.

For the record, I get teased quite often by the other locals who see me PHYSICALLY use the peace sign to determine the cue ball path after contacting the object ball. Some even attempt to mock me by placing their peace sign (parted fingers) over the object balls but don't know exactly what they are doing or what they are looking for. I laugh with great glee because they just don't have any idea what a great tool that is.

I have to give credit where credit is due though and it was Fred Agnir who first informed me of the 30 degree rule and the way that the peace sign could easily form that angle. I've been using it with GREAT success but please don't tell anyone and don't put any more links that describe how it is used because I can't stand for anyone to know the secrets unless they have both the decoder ring and tin foil hat.

Actually with all of this commercialism, it would be unfair for me not to clue the new readers in about the 30 degree rule (Peace Sign) which can be seen by clicking here.http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/30_and_90_degree_rule.html#hand

It just so happens that this link will also advertise the VEPS series of CD's that you sell which are a must for any serious pool enthusiast. :wink:

As always, I share the good with the bad. Sorry you missed my sense of humor. I don't see anything wrong with you advertising your product in links on the main forum. You make lots of positive contributions to the forum and are MOST OFTEN, good ones & FREE ONES.

While I don't see anything wrong with you "advertising" your products on the main forum, I do see a lot wrong with you belittling the product CTE/Pro One when you haven't even seen it and entering God into the equation.

 

[eezbank]

What's funny about it?

pj <- this from the guy with a Dr. Spock avatar
chgo

It's Mr. Spock.

I'll just pull a response out of my PJ playbook here...

I'm intellectually superior to you...even if I tried to explain it to you, you still wouldn't understand.

 

[Slide Rule]

CTE Robot

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2718215&postcount=387
<snip>
I have a better idea. Could you program a robot to pot balls using CTE?

That is a very good proposal. It addresses refining CTE methods as well as the implication that a CTE shooter is inadvertently steering his shots. As a first pass, I would recommend addressing shots 0 to 30 degrees and 31 to 65 degrees. As these are the majority of shots presented and debated on this forum. What we need is a graduate student, with above average potting skills who needs a thesis. And is willing do gamble the time.

Perhaps the solution would prove to be a simplification compared to the ghost ball estimating method used by existing robots. Though in programming things that the mind and body perceives in analog form is not typically a simple digital process.

The problem is explaining to non pool shooting engineers enough so that it could happen. Being an engineer, I know there are limitations involved including minds made of granite.

 

[justadub]

What's funny about it?

pj <- this from the guy with a Dr. Spock avatar
chgo

What's birthin' babies got to do with CTE? A different angle?

 

[champ2107]

Yet more proof that this topic is misunderstood by AzB's CTE users.

pj
chgo

ok, why bring robots into this discussion, how will that help you in this discussion? This is why its so difficult to make any progress in this thread, you guys are jumping around from one point to another quickly and it seems like you dont want to hear the answers to your questions.

 

[JoeyA]

Dave didn't discuss anybody's personal convictions, but this is the second time you've discussed mine without reason. I think you're guilty of what you falsely accuse Dave of.


It is not and does not.


Your misleading half truths about this haven't gone unnoticed either. CTE users' arguments about things they clearly know nothing about are ridiculed, and rightfully so - not the mere fact that they're CTE users. (But ditto on your investment in pool.)


This "me so humble" pose would be more believable if the rest of your recent posts weren't so "holier than thou".

pj
chgo

Patrick,
You have your own belief systems and perspectives about many things and you are entitled to believe what you will.

As to me, I'll continue sticking to my perspectives until the view changes.

The only way that view is going to change is when people like you and others start treating other posters with a modicum of respect.

 

[Neil]

What's birthin' babies got to do with CTE? A different angle?

Aahh! Since you asked.................. Most pool players, when in the birthing room with their wives, tend to yell "Come on baby! Find the hole, find the hole!" Whereas, you can tell the CTE'rs by what they are saying.......... "Come on baby, line up your head to the edge of the hole, that's it, now pivot at the waist, YOU GOT IT, Right in the hole!"

CTE mothers tend to have less labor time. :wink:

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou, I believe it was you made some mention of needing a new keyboard some pages back, from spitting out your coffee or something...

I though of you, as I was driving to work yesterday morning. What did my ears perceive, coming out of my radio? Why, Alices Restuarant Massacre, in 4 part harmony! All 18+ gloroious minutes of it.

Now let's take a minute and think about it. Perhaps we can learn something from Arlo. We have folks here who insist on having twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence...

Then we have those who are like the judge, with his seeing eye dog. They arent gonna look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one. Apprently this is just another case of AZB blind justice...

Maybe we all need to walk into the shrinks office
(any CTE thread) sing a bar of Alices Resturant, and walk out.

If two people do it, (well... we'll skip that line out of diversity sake.)

If three people do it, it's an organization. And if fifty people a day walk in, sing a line of Alices resturant and walk out, then they'll think it's a movement. And it is. It's the I love CTE (or) I Hate CTE movement.

I digress, and I babble, and only Lou will (possibly) appreciate my drivel. But it isn't any worse than much of the other drivel we see here each and every day.

Never work. It makes too much sense...

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Um, I think I was busy. Besides that I wouldn't have been able to show you anything more than me using it to make balls. I wouldn't be the one qualified to say to you "this is CTE at it's purest". Just like with Pat all I could do is show you what I do and hope you would duplicate it and then maybe a light bulb would go off.

I made time to go see Pat when I knew I was going to be in Chicago. I didn't have to do that. I could have jsut as easily not told him I'd be there and hooked up with someone else. I could have gone out to a pool room by myself.

So please don't try to spin this one.

If you or Pat or anyone really truly wanted to know "CTE" then you would have already gotten it.

You don't want to know it.

If I were in your shoes with my personality then I would have already been all over it. The FIRST thing I would have done is called Hal Houlse and gotten his version ON TAPE. Then I would have called Dave Segal and gotten his version ON TAPE. Then if at all possible I would have hooked up with Dave or anyone professing to be able to teach CTE and gotten the purest instruction possible.

AND THEN

Then I would have taken it to the table and dissected the hell out it. Step by Step.

But that's just me if I were skeptical. Luckily for ME, I am not skeptical, it works for me, and I don't need to make any money selling it to anyone. Nor do I have any ego wrapped up in disproving it.

So I have no burden of proof on me. I don't need to resort to calling instructors who sell their versions of CTE snake-oil salesmen, I don't have to call people idiots and delusional because they won't give me what I want.

Whenever I am skeptical about something I research it and go get the answers. I don't tell people who have the answers that they are idiots if they don't give me the answers on an open forum.

Anyway, again you know exactly what I mean. If you had wanted to know about CTE then you could have said to me, even when I was busy, "hey John got some time later to discuss CTE?" and my response would have been "Sure Lou, how about when the booth closes around 8pm?"

You know 100% that this would been my attitude. And I might have tried to track down Dave Segal and gotten him in on it too.

I'm not spinning anything. I was in your booth and you, me, Jimbo, and a couple of others were just shooting the buffalo for an hour. You weren't so busy. But truthfully CTE didn't even cross my mind.

And frankly, I saw your shoes, and I wear nicer shoes than you do, so no thanks.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

You really do have an amazing capacity to be a dick. I mean it's just so natural to you.

The point is that no matter how much you insult you still have never gotten the information from the source.

You can't quote Hal from any conversation that was between you both only. Nor from Dave S.

Nor from Stan.

So basically all you can do is speculate.

So keep on keeping your ego thing going. Apparently there is some kind of payoff there for you Pat. I don't know what it is but if this behavior of yours turns you on then keep it up.

Some people just like to be dicks I guess. That's how you seem to me.

Time for someone to back off the ginseng...

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

All of my posts are nothing more than responses to your constant needling to myself and others on this forum.

YOU are the divisive one.

And just in case you didn't read my previous post. I said that this thread was not about trying to figure out how CTE/Pro One works.

Besides, I thought you said you weren't interested in CTE??? Besides your incendiary remarks at every turn, why would you post in a thread that has nothing to do with how CTE works?

Could it be that you just enjoy "teasing" people? You do it to most everyone that has chosen to use CTE.

It's really getting OLD.

As I've said several times now: I'm here because I'm interested in how CTE works. Others have acknowledged this as being: good enough for them.

I don't know what your problem is.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Yeah, another classic example of your sick, perverted humor.
JoeyA

Now that's funny.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Tom In Cincy]

The top 10 posters in this thread...

Who Posted? well, let us take a minute to see if the usual suspects are here..

No one is missing, all showed up again. Has anyone changed anyone's mind?
Will these posters stop insulting or demeaning each other?
Will this be my last post on this subject? ( I sure hope so)

Total Posts: 811
rank/User Name/ # of Posts
1 lfigueroa 84
2 Patrick Johnson 67
3 JB Cases 57
4 GetMeThere 48
5 JoeyA 45
6 cookie man 44
7 champ2107 42
8 Neil 38
9 Shawn Armstrong 36
10 peteypooldude 35

The next 9
11 dr_dave 30
12 Mikjary 24
13 SpiderWebComm 21
14 eezbank 20
15 stan shuffett 16
16 sfleinen 15
17 mlalum 15
18 Main Event 11
19 cleary 10

 

[lfigueroa]

Dave,

It is quite apparent that you are not too busy to waste your time making additional unncessary, incendiary, religious related posts about CTE.

Ohhh, but you are only having fun? I see............... (At the expense of others who might have respect for their religious convictions).

Ridiculing CTE once again and adding a little inflammatory God stuff in your posts. Awww, I'm being sensitive aren't I?

Mike Page nor anyone else except maybe Mr. Wilson and the Administrator have the ability to rein in the CTE howling jackals.

So, basically, what you're saying is that I have no chance with my, "A priest, a rabbi, and a minister, walk into a bar..." materiel.

Lou Figueroa
damnit

 

[lfigueroa]

That's a little heavy on my shoulders Joey! But I'll try

Dave, sit down and shut up.

Lou, look at me when I'm talking to you.

Pat, fetch me a beer...

aw, man, who put the nuns back in charge?

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

No high horse here, Patrick.

I don't think I have a right to discuss your lack of religious convictions in this forum or anyone else's.

Throwing out parodies about God and "God jokes" about CTE or anything else in this forum is in poor taste and shows a lack of respect for those who do believe in a higher power.

Your continuous ridiculing and knocking of CTE users hasn't gone unnoticed either. (Thank goodness I appreciate the investment of your time in pool.)

Me? (just so you know) I'm a poor excuse for a Christian, but one nevertheless, warts and all.

A pool player dies and is met by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates...?

Lou Figueroa
tryin' to work in
my best materiel here

 

[peteypooldude]

A pool player dies and is met by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates...?

Lou Figueroa
tryin' to work in
my best materiel here

Does this end with....... You're sitting in my chair ?