CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

[JB Cases]

So far I've only managed to plow through the first 52 pages, so if I've missed this discussion please forgive me.

So here's my question. I've seen a lot of discussion on geometry and getting to that geometrically correct contact point. However, as I think we all know, geometry isn't the whole story. You can get the geometry of the cut 100% correct, hit the OB directly on the contact point and still miss miserably because of collision induced throw, spin induced throw, skid, COF of the cloth, etc. In a word, physics.

I'm not making any claims to knowing the answer. I certainly do not. However it occurs to me that perhaps CTE is somehow taking portions of the physics into account without us knowing it.

What do you think?

James

I think that this is what's happening. I think that somehow using CTE blends the optics/perception and the geometry together to produce the aiming line. And yes, that sounds blasphemous, especially from a non-engineer, non-physicist.

The other option, that CTE is just an elaborate form of guessing where the aiming line is at is also possible.

Either way people are playing better pool as reported through their personal testimony. So until science puts robots and sensors, high-cameras, and PHDs on the case CTE will just be shrouded in mystery as to how it works.

No amount of "discussion" on this forum will clear it up. There will be no "aha moment" no burst of clarity where everyone agrees that THIS is how CTE works.

Someday soon however we will be a little closer as there is a DVD forthcoming where someone who knows how to teach it will show us all the "right" way to apply it and that hopefully will put a lot of us on the same page. At least then the instructions will be clear.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

pinko commie...

Ah, memories... [cue wayback music]

When I was just a flower child in Southern California me and my fellow alternate lifestylers were called all kinds of things, but my personal favorite was what the old Mexican dude who was always on his front porch used to yell at us whenever we walked by: "Jou stay off my grass, jou sheet-in-the-park heepies!"

LOL. We'd go out of our way to walk by his house and hear that. And we stayed off his grass.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So far I've only managed to plow through the first 52 pages, so if I've missed this discussion please forgive me.

So here's my question. I've seen a lot of discussion on geometry and getting to that geometrically correct contact point. However, as I think we all know, geometry isn't the whole story. You can get the geometry of the cut 100% correct, hit the OB directly on the contact point and still miss miserably because of collision induced throw, spin induced throw, skid, COF of the cloth, etc. In a word, physics.

There's no question that all the usual complications of the physical world apply no matter what abstract aiming method you use. The difference between CTE and other methods is that nobody who claims to use CTE can even describe the abstract concept clearly.

...perhaps CTE is somehow taking portions of the physics into account without us knowing it.

Who knows? The only information we have about it is that nobody who claims to use it seems able to describe what they do. This leads to the speculation that it's pretty much undefined and maybe more psychological than "mechanical", like maybe an elaborate aid to aiming by feel, which it's users mostly deny but can't seem to concretely refute.

So before we can speculate about which physical issues it addresses, we need to learn if it addresses any of them.

pj
chgo

 

[cookie man]

There's no question that all the usual complications of the physical world apply no matter what abstract aiming method you use. The difference between CTE and other methods is that nobody who claims to use CTE can even describe the abstract concept clearly.


Who knows? The only information we have about it is that nobody who claims to use it seems able to describe what they do. This leads to the speculation that it's pretty much undefined and maybe more psychological than "mechanical", like maybe an elaborate aid to aiming by feel, which it's users mostly deny but can't seem to concretely refute.

So before we can speculate about which physical issues it addresses, we need to learn if it addresses any of them.

pj
chgo

Same old song and dance by someone who doesn't know.

 

[3kushn]

Anybody receive their DVD yet?

 

[thehammer37]

Anybody receive their DVD yet?

CTE/PRO ONE® DVD Release date to be announced in early December 2010.

 

[MOJOE]

Anybody receive their DVD yet?

According to Justcueit.com "CTE/PRO ONE® DVD Realease date to be announced in early December 2010."

 

[Patrick Johnson]

cookie man:
Same old song and dance by someone who doesn't know.

We know this: Nobody who claims to use CTE seems able to describe what they do.

pj
chgo

 

[JoeyA]

We know this: Nobody who claims to use CTE seems able to describe what they do.

pj
chgo

You're wrong Patrick.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Nobody who claims to use CTE seems able to describe what they do.

pj
chgo

Joey:
You're wrong Patrick.

That's the closest thing to a description we've ever seen.

Thanks again.

pj
chgo

 

[Mikjary]

We know this: Nobody who claims to use it seems able to describe what they do.

pj
chgo

Well, kinda, sorta, maybe, uh, could be. The careful choice of the word "seems", is what makes your statement kinda, sorta, maybe, uh, could be accurate. Most pivot system users haven't taken the time to look at the details of their techniques or give two <insert word here> why "it works" for them. Some actually do have their own ideas and are building on these methods. Clearer instructions of these details will be out there after the release of the dvd.

The system will be scrutinized and dissected. Its physical properties and feel elements will be analyzed and debated until everybody has justified their previous whining rants (moi included) and can get past their own egos.

I've given you your answers about pivot systems, but you didn't do the legwork. I explained what the pivot was and asked you if you had any opinions on the subject. It is a repeatable physical movement used to arrive at the ghost ball position. Without jumping the gun on the dvd, it is used with an aiming relationship with the CB/OB...a visual feel part of the system just like ghost ball or any other aiming system. This aiming portion is the incomplete info that the dvd will standardize and show current home brewed users the way to validate what they are doing now.

As I've said before, the pivot can be used with almost any aiming system and its contact points. It can also be discarded after a period of time in which the user attains the feel for its purpose and no longer requires it for pocketing balls. It can be disguised and made into an air pivot in which the user turns into the shot. You'll never know when I'm using it if you play against me or others. Pro One is at this level.

So, "seems", is a good description since it is an opinion and valid for one or more people to entertain. The specific points of this post are days away from being answered. Until then, I agree...kinda.

Best,
Mike

 

[JoeyA]

To purchase the new video on CTE/Pro One...........

That's the closest thing to a description we've ever seen.

Thanks again.

pj
chgo

You're welcome Patrick.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

(JoeyA believes there are a few out there who know how the CTE/Pro One works but are unwilling to discuss that information in hopes that Stan Shuffett will be able to recoup his expenditures with an upcoming video on CTE/Pro One which can be ordered by clicking here. )

 

[JimS]

You're welcome Patrick.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

(JoeyA believes there are a few out there who know how the CTE/Pro One works but are unwilling to discuss that information in hopes that Stan Shuffett will be able to recoup his expenditures with an upcoming video on CTE/Pro One which can be ordered by clicking here. )

..... First!

 

[dr_dave]

(JoeyA believes there are a few out there who know how the CTE/Pro One works but are unwilling to discuss that information in hopes that Stan Shuffett will be able to recoup his expenditures with an upcoming video on CTE/Pro One which can be ordered by clicking here. )

... and if people want to learn how to combine CTE with English, Position Control, Safety Play, Strategy, Caroms, Combos, Throw and Spin Transfer Shots, Banks, Kicks, Jumps, and Masse Shots, the answers can be ordered by clicking here.

Aiming is just the beginning in the journey to become a great player.

CTE + VEPS is a lethal combination (for the people who can use CTE effectively).

Regards,
Dave

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Mike:
[The "pivot"] is a repeatable physical movement used to arrive at the ghost ball position.

Sure, if you mean "used in conjunction with the player's 'feel' for aiming".

it is used with an aiming relationship with the CB/OB...a visual feel part of the system just like ghost ball or any other aiming system.

CTE is clearly not "just like ghost ball or any other aiming system" because it does not define a complete, accurate CB/OB alignment in simple terms. Both CTE and ghost ball rely on the player's ability to execute, but of the two only ghost ball defines the necessary aim completely and simply.

This isn't necessarily a disadvantage for CTE (in fact, it may be just what its users need). It's just the often repeated, totally unsubstantiated, and almost certainly impossible, claim that CTE users insist on making - probably because they just don't know any better (and mistakenly think it's some kind of insult).

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

You're welcome Patrick.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

You and yours too, Joey.

(JoeyA believes there are a few out there who know how the CTE/Pro One works but are unwilling to discuss that information in hopes that Stan Shuffett will be able to recoup his expenditures with an upcoming video on CTE/Pro One which can be ordered by clicking here. )

(Pat believes JoeyA is entitled to his beliefs, but regrettably has no advertising link to add.)

pj
chgo

 

[dr_dave]

(Pat believes JoeyA is entitled to his beliefs, but regrettably has no advertising link to add.)

If he wants some ideas for additional links to advertise, I have several I could offer to him. :grin-square:

Regards,
Dave

 

[eezbank]

:woot::woot:

 

[champ2107]

pj do you consider yourself informed enough to be giving opinions on cte, considering the fact you have no idea how to do it,how it works,why it works,never even attempted to learn it. I dont mean this as an attack either... Im just saying

 

[JoeyA]

Water Hogs is to Fishing as Idea Thieves are to Thread Hijackers.

... and if people want to learn how to combine CTE with English, Position Control, Safety Play, Strategy, Caroms, Combos, Throw and Spin Transfer Shots, Banks, Kicks, Jumps, and Masse Shots, the answers can be ordered by clicking here.

Aiming is just the beginning in the journey to become a great player.

CTE + VEPS is a lethal combination (for the people who can use CTE effectively).

Regards,
Dave

Oh, go start your own thread, YOU HIJACKER.

Happy Thanksgiving.