My conclusions on Diamond Pro-Am vs. Brunswick Gold Crown V

[Jason Robichaud]

The new Diamond rail system is just an adjustment to the thickness of the sub-rails and a better alignment of the cushion to the nose height in relationship as to how the cushions react when the balls come into contact with the cushions. I call it calibrated...because what we've done is research how the balls react off the cushions by changing the sub-rail thickness instead of the nose height....which is the same 1 29/64"ths on the new rails vs the older designed rails....so, that hasn't changed any. There was nothing "wrong" with the Diamond tables before this change...they were just different than say Brunswick GC's that everyone was so use to playing on. This change in the Diamond rails...is the same exact change I make to the Brunswick GC rails I rebuild and calibrate every time I work on Brunswick tables as well.

Once I'm done working on a Brunswick GC...it don't play like it did from the factory either....which makes everyone that owns one of the tables I've worked on....realize that even Brunswick's can be made to play better....even brand new GC5's....once the rails have been calibrated to play at their best with whatever cushions are being used at the time...meaning different cushions....require a different sub-rail calibration to play at their best

Glen

So, what is this effecting, banking angle, speed, spin off rail, sound?

 

[realkingcobra]

So, what is this effecting, banking angle, speed, spin off rail, sound?

All of the above:grin:

 

[Jason Robichaud]

I thought the diamond banked short compared to other tables. Was this me or did they bank short?

 

[realkingcobra]

I thought the diamond banked short compared to other tables. Was this me or did they bank short?

Yes, they banked different than most other tables...but most tables are different anyway when compared to other tables. Even Brunswick's played different....from one table to the next if a room had 20 tables...all GC's. So, I'm not one to say they were right or wrong in how they use to play...all I care about...is how they play today...because that's what really counts...and today, with the changes I advised Diamond to make...they all play great. One might say I "Cobrasized" Diamond's tables to play better....just like any other table I've worked on...but on a much larger scale:grin:...upgrades in the Diamond line of tables have been taking place for the last 10 years that I know of...some you know about, others you have no idea have taken place....Diamond is always looking to improve their product...until there is nothing left to improve on....in which case...IMO....the Diamond ProAm is now...PERFECTED...in the way it plays anyway....leather pocket liners....well, that's still a work in progress

Glen

 

[Jason Robichaud]

One last question, will the Turning Stone event have the new rails

 

[realkingcobra]

One last question, will the Turning Stone event have the new rails

Yes, if it's with the Diamond 9fts being used.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

Thanks:grin-square: The contrast is one of the big reasons I went with this combo. Diamond also used black rail diamonds in the Dymondwood rails(lota jewels in that sentence).
The other reason I liked the black is the way it looks at night with only the table light on.

just curious......whats the color of the cloth on this diamond?

 

[Cuebuddy]

just curious......whats the color of the cloth on this diamond?

If I remember right Glen put this cloth on about a week before Simonis HR came out. It is Simonis 860 tournament blue.

 

[mdavis]

All of the above:grin:

Thanks for the explanation Glen - that's the best yet.

The angle...larger contact area means a wider angle of reflection? So, wider banks.

Speed...I would think a larger contact area would decrease speed? So, as the contact area increases in thickness, the coeff of friction increases, and thus the balls slow down?

Sound...I have no idea...more ZZtop, less AC/DC??

Spin...I would think less, not more?

-mark

 

[RobustBrad]

Very nice room cuebuddy.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

If I remember right Glen put this cloth on about a week before Simonis HR came out. It is Simonis 860 tournament blue.

funny........i just had my Tournament Blue replaced with Powder Blue. and your Tournament Blue looks way different than my Tournament Blue did. i would have sworn that was Powder Blue on that table.

i guess lights do funny things to cloth colors but the Tournament Blue i had on my GCIV looked different like the Tournament Blue i see on TV matches.

Mike

 

[Cuebuddy]

Very nice room cuebuddy.

Thanks Brad.....Good looking avatar you have there.

 

[jalapus logan]

Yes, they banked different than most other tables...but most tables are different anyway when compared to other tables. Even Brunswick's played different....from one table to the next if a room had 20 tables...all GC's. So, I'm not one to say they were right or wrong in how they use to play...all I care about...is how they play today...because that's what really counts...and today, with the changes I advised Diamond to make...they all play great. One might say I "Cobrasized" Diamond's tables to play better....just like any other table I've worked on...but on a much larger scale:grin:...upgrades in the Diamond line of tables have been taking place for the last 10 years that I know of...some you know about, others you have no idea have taken place....Diamond is always looking to improve their product...until there is nothing left to improve on....in which case...IMO....the Diamond ProAm is now...PERFECTED...in the way it plays anyway....leather pocket liners....well, that's still a work in progress

Glen

I thought that someone posted here that new pockets already existed for these tables. Not so?

 

[mdavis]

I thought that someone posted here that new pockets already existed for these tables. Not so?

I thought they only fixed the drop-pocket Professional...

 

[ITguy]

Still a "work in progress"


jim

 

[Bigjohn]

If you were looking for something fast...you shoulda went to Sears

 

[Cuebuddy]

If you were looking for something fast...you shoulda went to Sears

Joke about Sears if you want Bigjohn but there mechanics are top notch.

 

[JoeyA]

Yes, they banked different than most other tables...but most tables are different anyway when compared to other tables. Even Brunswick's played different....from one table to the next if a room had 20 tables...all GC's. So, I'm not one to say they were right or wrong in how they use to play...all I care about...is how they play today...because that's what really counts...and today, with the changes I advised Diamond to make...they all play great. One might say I "Cobrasized" Diamond's tables to play better....just like any other table I've worked on...but on a much larger scale:grin:...upgrades in the Diamond line of tables have been taking place for the last 10 years that I know of...some you know about, others you have no idea have taken place....Diamond is always looking to improve their product...until there is nothing left to improve on....in which case...IMO....the Diamond ProAm is now...PERFECTED...in the way it plays anyway....leather pocket liners....well, that's still a work in progress

Glen

So Glen,
Which is better for a pool room environment? A Diamond 1 piece slate or the thicker 3 piece slate?

Thanks.
JoeyA

 

[xianmacx]

MDavis,

I think you should consider the Real wood (non dymondwood) 3piece Professional models.

It looks way better than the Pro-ams IMO and set up by a good Mechanic it will play IDENTICAL to a Pro-am. You would get the best of both worlds. Best playing table, that looks great.

 

[realkingcobra]

So Glen,
Which is better for a pool room environment? A Diamond 1 piece slate or the thicker 3 piece slate?

Thanks.
JoeyA

By far the one piece slate, because it's much easier to level...and there's no seams to come apart

Glen