Can someone Break Down in Detail the different ways of giving WEIGHT in 9 Ball ?

Orange Crush

Impact Blue said:
Just a couple of examples:

Ball weight: e.g., 7-ball; 7-out; Call-7 with the Wild-8...et cetera.

Giving someone the '7-ball' means that your opponent (who you are giving weight to) has an additional ball that can be made in order to win the game. There can be conditions on giving ball weight, such as the 'Call-7', meaning that the player has to call the pocket with his added money ball, the 7. Or the '7-Out', meaning in a game of 9-ball, that player has to make the 7, 8, or 9 to win that game. Another example of this is the 'Orange Crush', being a moniker for giving someone the 5-ball (traditionally orange in color) and the rest of the rack as game winning balls (you could call it the '5-Out').

Game weight: e.g., 1 on the wire, 3 to 10, et cetera.

This handicap system is forfeiting a set number of games to the opponent you are giving the handicap to. In a race to five, giving someone '1 on the wire' means you will have to win five games, while your opponent has to win four. Three to 10, simply means giving 3 games away in a race to 10 games.

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There are MANY other ways of offering a handicap, such as your example of BIH after the break, with all the breaks--meaning thoughout the set Shane never gets to break, and his opponent gets to put the cue ball wherever he wants after breaking. Based on your information provided, it's uncertain that it has to be a legal break or not in order to have BIH after the snap. I would imagine in this instance, if the player scratched or didn't make a ball on the break, he still would be allowed to have BIH. However, that's a purely just a guess.

Hope this helps!
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Orange Crush means the breaks (hence crush) and the 5 or 5 out.
 
I still a bit confused on "the last three". Can someone explain that one to me?

Cheers,
Brad
 
The last 3

The last 3 means exactly what it says - If you make any one of the last 3 balls on the table in 9 ball you win the game.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet in regard to giving ball weight is the relative strength of the weight in giving different balls. Maybe this is obvious but I'll explain. Giving someone the 8 ball is less weight than giving them the 7. The 6 is more weight still, the 5 even more, etc. This is because at any given skill level a player is more likely to run out to the 5 than the 6, the 6 more often than to the 7, and so on. There actually can be a significant difference between giving a decent player the 7 versus the 8.

One more thing. If you are giving someone a wild ball, say the 8, you should stipulate that it be racked immediately behind the 1 ball to minimize the chance of it going in on the snap.

Just thought I'd bring it up.
 
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JB Cases said:
I think that the prevailing wisdom behind giving this spot is that the opponent has no business being on the pool table.

You'd be surprised at the size of spots pros can give up to decent amateurs and still win.

I was given the last four by Jesse Bowman and I lost two sets. By the end of the second set I couldn't have dropped a ball on the floor much less make one in a pocket. I told my road partner that my arm felt like jelly. Jesse brought so much heat that when I was supposed to get out easily I dogged my brains out.

My road partner who plays two balls better than me decided that he would get in the box with Jesse with the same spot. Jesse, having nothing to lose and a chance to double up, readily agreed and just as easily dispatched my buddy.
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You have to get to the point that you play the table, not the player...

It does not matter who you play, they will do what they do best, but you have to learn to deal with your own mind.

Playing the table, the layout is the only way to do this. Your biggest obstacle is "you" and the table, not your opponent. It's the table and your own mind.

Granted, this way of thinking is not the norm, nor is it natural, it has to be learned and has to be diligently practiced, but once you get it down, it will not matter who you play, unless you let that get to you.... It's a mental battle...
 
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Impact Blue said:
Just a couple of examples:

Ball weight: e.g., 7-ball; 7-out; Call-7 with the Wild-8...et cetera.

Giving someone the '7-ball' means that your opponent (who you are giving weight to) has an additional ball that can be made in order to win the game. There can be conditions on giving ball weight, such as the 'Call-7', meaning that the player has to call the pocket with his added money ball, the 7. Or the '7-Out', meaning in a game of 9-ball, that player has to make the 7, 8, or 9 to win that game. Another example of this is the 'Orange Crush', being a moniker for giving someone the 5-ball (traditionally orange in color) and the rest of the rack as game winning balls (you could call it the '5-Out').
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If a 7-call means you have to call the 7's pocket then does the 7-out mean you don't have to call the pocket for the 7,8,9?
 
cueball2010 said:
Normal play... as in normally we do not need to call the 7 or the 8?
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As per the specific match up. Normally the spotted balls need not be called if they're in play. The guy giving the weight may stipulate the 7, 8 can't be slopped or are not wild money etc... anything that would clarify the conditions.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet in regard to giving ball weight is the relative strength of the weight in giving different balls. Maybe this is obvious but I'll explain. Giving someone the 8 ball is less weight than giving them the 7. The 6 is more weight still, the 5 even more, etc. This is because at any given skill level a player is more likely to run out to the 5 than the 6, the 6 more often than to the 7, and so on. There actually can be a significant difference between giving a decent player the 7 versus the 8.

One more thing. If you are giving someone a wild ball, say the 8, you should stipulate that it be racked immediately behind the 1 ball to minimize the chance of it going in on the snap.

Just thought I'd bring it up.
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As well as being behind the 1 ball it also should be racked on the same side the player is breaking from. If it is behind the 1 on the opposite side he’s breaking from, that is actually the second most likely ball to go cross side on the break.
 
Black-Balled said:
What moron breaker would declare where he was breaking from before it was time to break?!?!
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No one does, I stipulate it as part of the spot. That it will be racked behind the 1 on the side he will break from or it’s spotted if made on the break. If they don’t like it they don’t have to take the game. As I said in my initial post, that ball is second most likely to go. I don’t mind giving a spot if needed, but you’re going to have to earn the W.
 
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Frosty said:
No one does, I stipulate it as part of the spot. That it will be racked behind the 1 on the side opposite he will break from or it’s spotted if made on the break. If they don’t like it they don’t have to take the game. As I said in my initial post, that ball is second most likely to go. I don’t mind giving a spot if needed, but you’re going to have to earn the W.
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good luck getting action. some nitty shit right there. been at this over 40yrs and NEVER has anyone stipulated what side you break from regardless of where a ball is in the rack. never.
 
garczar said:
good luck getting action. some nitty shit right there. been at this over 40yrs and NEVER has anyone stipulated what side you break from regardless of where a ball is in the rack. never.
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So if you give someone a orange crush... Not only do they get all the breaks but they also have a greater then 50% chance to win on the break by pocketing the 5,6,7,8, or 9 on the break shot?
 
Frosty said:
No one does, I stipulate it as part of the spot. That it will be racked behind the 1 on the side opposite he will break from or it’s spotted if made on the break. If they don’t like it they don’t have to take the game. As I said in my initial post, that ball is second most likely to go. I don’t mind giving a spot if needed, but you’re going to have to earn the W.
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You can attempt to negotiate whatever you want, I guess.

Expect your opponent to require the opposite!
 
cueball2010 said:
So if you give someone a orange crush... Not only do they get all the breaks but they also have a greater then 50% chance to win on the break by pocketing the 5,6,7,8, or 9 on the break shot?
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You are making it difficult.

A money ball is a money ball, no matter what number is on it
 
garczar said:
good luck getting action. some nitty shit right there. been at this over 40yrs and NEVER has anyone stipulated what side you break from regardless of where a ball is in the rack. never.
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I get plenty of action Garczar, I’m not telling them which side they have to break from, just that their spot ball will be behind the 1 on the same side. Never had a complaint yet and I have a few regular customers.
 
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Frosty said:
I get plenty of action Garczar, I’m not telling them which side they have to break from, just that their spot ball will be behind the 1 on the opposite side. Never had a complaint yet and I have a few regular customers.
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I'll throw you a freebie...far more beneficial than that silly opposite side shit.

Spot balls don't count on the break. And of course they don't get brought back if they go in on the break
 
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