Our "sport"

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Does anyone feel like when they head out to hits some balls at the local hall they are entering into, or practicing for a sporting event?

I have brought this up before and let it go....

But to many have bought this "what is wrong with our sport" discussion up lately for me to ignore it any futher.

Its not a fn sport.

Its not even close.

Its an inside game played in a few square feet of space. Period.

Don't be to mad at me....but a nine foot fooseball table would better qualify ..at least there would be some athelitism involved.

Folks, I love this game....but I ain't playin sports.

For the game to succeed we (its advocates) must be honest with ourselves first.

As always,offered as my opinion...fwiw, me.
 
if you replaced pools prize money with golfs, there would be people training and working on endurance, mental and physical, at least as hard as the golfers are now. do u think golf is a sport? i just believe if the prize money were different, and players had more money in their pockets, youd see a whole new level of non drug related endurance.
 
IMO, if the competition can be contested with a mouth-full of pizza while wearing flip-flops and an iPod, then it is a game rather than a sport. Following this definition, I guess someone will have to inform the "professional bass anglers" that they are involved in a game rather than a sport . . . ;)
 
if you replaced pools prize money with golfs, there would be people training and working on endurance, mental and physical, at least as hard as the golfers are now. do u think golf is a sport? i just believe if the prize money were different, and players had more money in their pockets, youd see a whole new level of non drug related endurance.

not a golfer, huh, enzo? :p
 
With all due respect, I don't understand why we're so hung up on the definition of "sport".

For the record, this is what is listed on dictionary.com

1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

Since pool is not listed, we can say it is a combination of a game and a sport or, "gort". I said it here first.
 
With all due respect, I don't understand why we're so hung up on the definition of "sport".

For the record, this is what is listed on dictionary.com



Since pool is not listed, we can say it is a combination of a game and a sport or, "gort". I said it here first.

Of course, neither soccer or football are listed :)
 
Does anyone feel like when they head out to hits some balls at the local hall they are entering into, or practicing for a sporting event?

I have brought this up before and let it go....

But to many have bought this "what is wrong with our sport" discussion up lately for me to ignore it any futher.

Its not a fn sport.

Its not even close.

Its an inside game played in a few square feet of space. Period.

Don't be to mad at me....but a nine foot fooseball table would better qualify ..at least there would be some athelitism involved.

Folks, I love this game....but I ain't playin sports.

For the game to succeed we (its advocates) must be honest with ourselves first.

As always,offered as my opinion...fwiw, me.


Don't kid yourself. It's a Sport and your an athlete. The shape and size of those who participate is not a requirement. To learn to effectively pick up a stick and hit a cue ball into an object ball takes alot of skill and dexterity.

Not everyone can do, let alone do it well.

As defined in Webster's ....

Sport, any recreational activity; specifically, a game, competition, etc. requiring bodily exertion.

Athlete, a person trained in exersises or contests requiring physical strength, skill, speed, etc.

So, next time you are playing a race to 9 in a tournament or 5 ahead for a hundred, ask yourself how much body exertion are you producing and how much training and skill development you have gone through to get there.

It really boils down to the attitude we have regarding our Sport. Overall, we have been smitten by bad decisions and improper management for too many years by those who guide it.

But, that does not take away from the fact that I am an athlete as much as anyone that plays baseball, football or basketball.
 
If you hack balls around once a week; try to find tourneys where the worst players can win instead of practicing to get good - its a GAME.

If you practice daily, devote your life to getting better, become a student of the game, compete with the best players you can find, and are willing to spend 10,000 hours to get to a low pro level - its a SPORT.

Simple.
 
It's a sport.....

And that's final....

Now go to your room and think about what you said...

:grin:
 
Imo a sport is something that requires mental AND physical training meaning you cant get good at it just from reading books. At higher levels pool is just as much a sport as anything else.
 
I have to say pool is a sport, and not just pool, but many cue sports in general. I don't know if any of you watch 3c. But, my god, I respect those guys. I wouldn't even know where to begin, or how to "see" that many cushions ahead.

If curiling can be a sport, than there is room for cue sports. I feel kinda bad for people who sell pool short, in regards to being a sport. I have nothing for respect for anyone who can pocket past 50 balls in 14.1. I have respect for carom players. I play every day and hope to achieve anywhere near the skill of the videos I see on youtube.

Billiards requires a deft hand, and such minute adjustments where millimeters can make all the difference between a potted ball and a miss. I know pool is associated with smokey bars, and bettering. I know it's associated with shady people, like it almost has an outlaw image. However, regardless of common public perception billiards requires great skill. Any one who picks up a cue will see it's nuances and and subtleties. They will see it's much more than just aim CB to OB.

But regardless of how other people of the status of pool. I will continue to play, as I'm sure you all will also. We all know the skill involved in pool, we don't need to prove it to the world.
 
During the 1860's, billiards would be on the front page, and the civil war on page 3. It was the game, of kings and queens, all our presidents had a table and played. It was a true sport. A major one. Hoppe made a million a year, and after WWII, it all changed, began to fall apart, and pool took over and news coverage slowly stopped. By 1957, all the great stars had died, or retired, Hoppe, Greenleaf, Mosconi, Caras, were all gone.

The hustlers took over the game in 61 in Johnson City, the BCA closed its doors and ceased to exist for the next 9 years, the main movie was about a pool bum with no character, the music man dropped ya got trouble on everyone, and pool as a sport, was a dead duck with a bad reputation. Every movie in Hollywood showed the pool pro as a drug infested low rent punk. It never recovered from there, every year, it just slide further and further into the hole its in today.

The press never showed up after that, unless the place got raided or somebody got shot.

There was a survey done, on the top 100 sports writers in the country, on this very question, and all 100 voted, pool is not a sport. So that discussion is over, it does not matter what you guys feel about it, it only matters what the sports writers think.

A couple of years ago, this same group was asked to name the top 3 people in pool, and they answered Willie Mosconi, Minnesota Fats, none of them knew both of them has been dead for 15 years, and the black widow was the only alive person they knew about. They have no clue who we are, or what we are doing. They don’t know who any of our top pool or billiard or snooker or artistic stars are today. They never heard of Steve Davis, Raymond Cuelemans, Johnny, Earl, Efren or Immonen or Mike Massey.

It is a back room game, played by ugly people. When we have no pro men’s tour, we are not a sport. When the main tour is women, who have 60 show up to split 10K, we are not a sport. The last placed player in a golf tourney gets 15K, the winner a million.

We are a bad sick joke to the real sports world playing for chump change, and half the time the pros get paid with rubber checks that bounce. That shows the entire thing is crooked as a $3 bill. What corporate sponser would want a piece of this mess.

That is where we are, going down hard and fast by the bow like the Titanic. And the BCA sits there with their head so far up their ass they will never see daylight. They are now today virtually bankrupt as well, their 40 person staff has been reduced to just a couple of people. They can’t even run a trade show which they have also ran into the ground now drawing less than 200 booths.
Pool is dead. Pro pool is gone. The only thing that is alive and well, is the amateur leagues which keeps the core game alive.

There is your answer, I did not write it, I only report it, like it is, so please don’t do like you all usually do and shoot and kill the messenger, because you guys can’t accept what you are, or what you are a part of?

Once more, there is your truth, and I can clearly see, none of you, can deal with the truth here. When you hear anything you do not like, or do not believe in, you want to degrade and kill off that source.
None of you can deal with the truth. That is your major problem.

I strongly suggest that you all get out of that incestuous club you are in, and try and see out, from beyond your closed cocoon you are all now trapped inside of. Try and see your selves, as the real world actually sees you.

Now the next 3 people who attack me over this, they will remind me of those 3 monkeys, you know, the ones with one has his hands over his ears, the other one over his eyes, the other one I think his fist is up his arse, or its somewhere where it is not supposed to be for sure.

I love this game, I would love to be a part of it coming back. But the first step is to stop Bull s******* each other and accept what we are and where we are, then actually do something to reverse this slide.

All the magazines and the BCA does, is put out BS about how great everything is, and you guys are going along with this BS. How about a revolt, a demand by the core group to change all of this. These guys at the top, have already given up on it all, and all they are doing, is pealing off of the top, what they can, as it sinks. You, the players, the game, they could care less about. :D
 
During the 1860's, billiards would be on the front page, and the civil war on page 3. It was the game, of kings and queens, all our presidents had a table and played. It was a true sport. A major one. Hoppe made a million a year, and after WWII, it all changed, began to fall apart, and pool took over and news coverage slowly stopped. By 1957, all the great stars had died, or retired, Hoppe, Greenleaf, Mosconi, Caras, were all gone.

The hustlers took over the game in 61 in Johnson City, the BCA closed its doors and ceased to exist for the next 9 years, the main movie was about a pool bum with no character, the music man dropped ya got trouble on everyone, and pool as a sport, was a dead duck with a bad reputation. Every movie in Hollywood showed the pool pro as a drug infested low rent punk. It never recovered from there, every year, it just slide further and further into the hole its in today.

The press never showed up after that, unless the place got raided or somebody got shot.

There was a survey done, on the top 100 sports writers in the country, on this very question, and all 100 voted, pool is not a sport. So that discussion is over, it does not matter what you guys feel about it, it only matters what the sports writers think.

A couple of years ago, this same group was asked to name the top 3 people in pool, and they answered Willie Mosconi, Minnesota Fats, none of them knew both of them has been dead for 15 years, and the black widow was the only alive person they knew about. They have no clue who we are, or what we are doing. They don’t know who any of our top pool or billiard or snooker or artistic stars are today. They never heard of Steve Davis, Raymond Cuelemans, Johnny, Earl, Efren or Immonen or Mike Massey.

It is a back room game, played by ugly people. When we have no pro men’s tour, we are not a sport. When the main tour is women, who have 60 show up to split 10K, we are not a sport. The last placed player in a golf tourney gets 15K, the winner a million.

We are a bad sick joke to the real sports world playing for chump change, and half the time the pros get paid with rubber checks that bounce. That shows the entire thing is crooked as a $3 bill. What corporate sponser would want a piece of this mess.

That is where we are, going down hard and fast by the bow like the Titanic. And the BCA sits there with their head so far up their ass they will never see daylight. They are now today virtually bankrupt as well, their 40 person staff has been reduced to just a couple of people. They can’t even run a trade show which they have also ran into the ground now drawing less than 200 booths.
Pool is dead. Pro pool is gone. The only thing that is alive and well, is the amateur leagues which keeps the core game alive.

There is your answer, I did not write it, I only report it, like it is, so please don’t do like you all usually do and shoot and kill the messenger, because you guys can’t accept what you are, or what you are a part of?

Once more, there is your truth, and I can clearly see, none of you, can deal with the truth here. When you hear anything you do not like, or do not believe in, you want to degrade and kill off that source.
None of you can deal with the truth. That is your major problem.

I strongly suggest that you all get out of that incestuous club you are in, and try and see out, from beyond your closed cocoon you are all now trapped inside of. Try and see your selves, as the real world actually sees you.

Now the next 3 people who attack me over this, they will remind me of those 3 monkeys, you know, the ones with one has his hands over his ears, the other one over his eyes, the other one I think his fist is up his arse, or its somewhere where it is not supposed to be for sure.

I love this game, I would love to be a part of it coming back. But the first step is to stop Bull s******* each other and accept what we are and where we are, then actually do something to reverse this slide.

All the magazines and the BCA does, is put out BS about how great everything is, and you guys are going along with this BS. How about a revolt, a demand by the core group to change all of this. These guys at the top, have already given up on it all, and all they are doing, is pealing off of the top, what they can, as it sinks. You, the players, the game, they could care less about. :D


I agree on most you said , some not, but a damn good post !



David Harcrow
 
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There is your answer, I did not write it, I only report it, like it is, so please don’t do like you all usually do and shoot and kill the messenger, because you guys can’t accept what you are, or what you are a part of?

Once more, there is your truth, and I can clearly see, none of you, can deal with the truth here. When you hear anything you do not like, or do not believe in, you want to degrade and kill off that source.
None of you can deal with the truth. That is your major problem.

I strongly suggest that you all get out of that incestuous club you are in, and try and see out, from beyond your closed cocoon you are all now trapped inside of. Try and see your selves, as the real world actually sees you.:D

Thank you for being the one person on AZ that sees the truth. Without you, we would not know how the world sees us. I know you have opened my cocoon and released me. Now please help me... I cant handle the truth!!!
 
Does anyone feel like when they head out to hits some balls at the local hall they are entering into, or practicing for a sporting event?

I have brought this up before and let it go....

But to many have bought this "what is wrong with our sport" discussion up lately for me to ignore it any futher.

Its not a fn sport.

Its not even close.

Its an inside game played in a few square feet of space. Period.

Don't be to mad at me....but a nine foot fooseball table would better qualify ..at least there would be some athelitism involved.

Folks, I love this game....but I ain't playin sports.

For the game to succeed we (its advocates) must be honest with ourselves first.

As always,offered as my opinion...fwiw, me.

I suppose Curling would be a "sport?"
 
Ok, we are finally getting somewhere. Cat pool, what, you are some bull, you make me nervous with those flashing blue lights. Is this some kind of sting or what. My lawyer will get me off.

You said you agree with most, but not all. Great, the rest will sink in later, trust me. Give it time.

And the latest: Another disciple said, I now have two of them, I am only 10 short of Jc.
Thank you for being the one person on AZ that sees the truth. Without you, we would not know how the world sees us. I know you have opened my cocoon and released me. Now please help me... I cant handle the truth!!!

Ah finally, they will come forward and confess, like an old time revival, tears streming out of their eyes yelling out, I am a loser choking dog, save me, and I will grab them and cast this demon out of their bodies. for of course a small donation to my retirement fund.

Back on topic, if I walk into a blind persons hospital, it only takes one to seel. I see, you dont, let me lead you to the light. Can you see the light.

Your first step is admitting you dont see. You have no clue. Once you admit that, then you must admit your are of course doomed. You are going no where. Once you admit this, I recommend black jack, or wild turkey. After 3 Dui's and a few months in a cell with this 7' black guy who comes in and says my name is Ben Dover, they run out of room and parole you out. You spend 9 months in state theapry, and then the shrink tells you that you are a born loser and to forget pool and to take up checkers in the park with old jewish people.

Sell your $1500 schon to me for $200 and have a nice day.
 
Ok, we are finally getting somewhere. Cat pool, what, you are some bull, you make me nervous with those flashing blue lights. Is this some kind of sting or what. My lawyer will get me off. What can you do to me, deport me, i swim back across the rio grande in the morning.

You said you agree with most, but not all. Great, the rest will sink in later, trust me. Give it time. Take a few tokes and nail 2 or 3 jiggers of Patron and call me in the morning.

And the latest: Another disciple said, I now have two of them, I am only 10 short of Jc.
Thank you for being the one person on AZ that sees the truth. Without you, we would not know how the world sees us. I know you have opened my cocoon and released me. Now please help me... I cant handle the truth!!!

Ah finally, they will come forward and confess, like an old time revival, tears streming out of their eyes yelling out, I am a loser choking dog, save me, and I will grab them and cast this demon out of their bodies. for of course a small donation to my retirement fund. No checks, cash only.

Back on topic, if I walk into a blind persons hospital, it only takes one to see and I dont need no german shepherd next to me. I see, you dont, let me lead you to the light. Can you see the light.

Your first step is admitting you dont see. You have no clue. You are in the dark. Once you admit that, then you must admit your are of course doomed. You are going no where. Once you admit this, I recommend black jack, or wild turkey. After 3 Dui's and a few months in a cell with this 7' black guy who comes in and says my name is Ben Dover, they run out of room and parole you out. You spend 9 months in state theapry, and then the shrink tells you that you are a born loser with no talent and to forget pool and to take up checkers in the park with old jewish people. A couple of years checkin in with your PO and soon you will be fine.

Sell your $1500 schon to me for $200 and have a nice day. Forget pool, its too hard to ever learn. Its only for smart people like earl and johnnie and Eefren.

In Mexico this is a simple life, I win every time I play pool, nobody dares beat me, one did, i took out me pistola and shot him in the cahoonies, and now I am hanging out in Houston from the federalies as a wanted hombre. Dont tell nobody, dont rat me out amigos. I am the champion of hussongs catina in ensinada and I can teach you all of my inside secrets the grand master himself showed me. Only if you are nice to me, and stop- threatening to punch my lights out thru the internet monitor, holmes, that hurt my feeling muy mucho. You Gringos are much more violent up here, than back home.

In case it escaped your attention, I am a muy malo hombre with a pistola on my side.
 
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Ok, we are finally getting somewhere. Cat pool, what, you are some bull, you make me nervous with those flashing blue lights. Is this some kind of sting or what. My lawyer will get me off.

You said you agree with most, but not all. Great, the rest will sink in later, trust me. Give it time.

And the latest: Another disciple said, I now have two of them, I am only 10 short of Jc.
Thank you for being the one person on AZ that sees the truth. Without you, we would not know how the world sees us. I know you have opened my cocoon and released me. Now please help me... I cant handle the truth!!!

Ah finally, they will come forward and confess, like an old time revival, tears streming out of their eyes yelling out, I am a loser choking dog, save me, and I will grab them and cast this demon out of their bodies. for of course a small donation to my retirement fund.

Back on topic, if I walk into a blind persons hospital, it only takes one to seel. I see, you dont, let me lead you to the light. Can you see the light.

Your first step is admitting you dont see. You have no clue. Once you admit that, then you must admit your are of course doomed. You are going no where. Once you admit this, I recommend black jack, or wild turkey. After 3 Dui's and a few months in a cell with this 7' black guy who comes in and says my name is Ben Dover, they run out of room and parole you out. You spend 9 months in state theapry, and then the shrink tells you that you are a born loser and to forget pool and to take up checkers in the park with old jewish people.

Sell your $1500 schon to me for $200 and have a nice day.



Look dude, I gave you a BIG Comp., as far as the flashinglights, if I play ya, I'm gonna HighJack Your Ass!


David Harcrow:thumbup:
 
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