Pro One

[MOJOE]

I certainly can't explain why Pro One works but I can say that it definitely works for me.. Not sure how I am firing shots in but I am and with amazing regularity!

The DVD is well done, much better than any of the other instructional videos that I have purchased and the information in invaluable. I can't say enough about it! Thank you Stan.

 

[GetMeThere]

I've received my DVD too. Thanks Stan.

But I haven't gotten around to watching it, and it will probably be awhile (but I do plan to write up a clear and detailed review).

Meanwhile.....

...it has helped me in some very critical areas, like:
(1) Hitting the cue ball with the cue tip at the very center of the cue ball. (Apparently, in the past, I have often hit off center to compensate for a poor alignment or poor aiming )
(2) Putting a full/complete stroke on the shot. (Once you know you are aiming correctly, you can invest in a good stroke instead of worrying about whether or not you are going to make the shot)
(3) Boosting my confidence on difficult shots. (It comes with successful experiences)
(4) Banking difficult shots seems a bit easier as well. (This was an unexpected benefit)

Funny how things never change. JoeyA's comments (I added the numbers) are similar to ALL the comments in the thread so far:
a) They aren't about Pro One aiming, or aiming system (items 1 and 2)
b) When they DO refer to aiming (items 3 and 4), they're vague....VERY vague.

Others say (I paraphrase): They make shots! It's Great! ....but they don't know how.

Interesting...(and predictable)

 

[ThePoliteSniper]

Is Dr. Dave going to do a review?

 

[Pushout]

I certainly can't explain why Pro One works but I can say that it definitely works for me.. Not sure how I am firing shots in but I am and with amazing regularity!

Now you know how those of us who've been using it for a while, before the DVD was even an idea, feel!!

 

[dr_dave]

Is Dr. Dave going to do a review?

I will write something more meaningful after I've had time to review and study the DVD several times. I've only watched it once so far.

My first impression was good. Stan did a great job presenting and demonstrating his version of CTE. The DVD is certainly the most detailed description of CTE available to date.

Honestly, after one viewing, it wasn't clear to me how one decides on what alignment/pivot and bridge length to use when faced with an arbitrary shot at the table; although, the numerous examples provided are useful.

After I study and try to boil down the information some, I'll probably have more to say.

Stan, thank you for your efforts. Good job!

Regards,
Dave

 

[brophog]

However, it is THE aiming system.

That's where these threads break down........when absolutes are made out of the non-absolute.

There are very few absolutes in the universe, and if more people realized that, there would be a heckuva lot more peace in the universe.

 

[brophog]

On the topic at hand:

The DVD arrived very quickly. The production value is good, the arrangement of material is logical. The chapter delineation is very nice. The DVD functions very well both in terms of watching it from start to finish or picking out a specific chapter to focus on something specific. The glossary and table charting makes references easy (and they are certainly needed with all of the terms and acronyms used).

I find the DVD very convenient for someone that really wants to pick up and learn this material. The instruction is made for the user to take the examples and bring them to the table, and I feel the effort was made to make that easy on the user. In terms of producing and distributing such a product, I think Stan and associates really delivered.

 

[JB Cases]

I will write something more meaningful after I've had time to review and study the DVD several times. I've only watched it once so far.

My first impression was good. Stan did a great job presenting and demonstrating his version of CTE. The DVD is certainly the most detailed description of CTE available to date.

Honestly, after one viewing, it wasn't clear to me how one decides on what alignment/pivot and bridge length to use when faced with an arbitrary shot at the table; although, the numerous examples provided are useful.

After I study and try to boil down the information some, I'll probably have more to say.

Stan, thank you for your efforts. Good job!

Regards,
Dave

I do not use any particular bridge length. I use what is comfortable for the shot at hand and use CTE on every shot.

IN fact I have some kind of information this week that flies in the face of "conventional" wisdom regarding bridge lengths that has NOTHING to do with any kind of aiming system.

As taught to me by a coach who trains world champions.

 

[dr_dave]

I do not use any particular bridge length. I use what is comfortable for the shot at hand and use CTE on every shot.

If you are using a fixed-bridge pivot (as Stan demonstrates), bridge length is definitely important. For a given shot with a given alignment, pivot, and bridge length, if you change the bridge length and use the exact same alignment and pivot, the same shot won't go anymore. Diagram 4 in my December '08 BD article illustrates an example of this. Here it is:

I have some kind of information this week that flies in the face of "conventional" wisdom regarding bridge lengths that has NOTHING to do with any kind of aiming system.

Are you willing to share the information or at least describe the claim?

Thanks,
Dave

 

[SpiderWebComm]

If you are using a fixed-bridge pivot (as Stan demonstrates), bridge length is definitely important. For a given shot with a given alignment, pivot, and bridge length, if you change the bridge length and use the exact same alignment and pivot, the same shot won't go anymore. Diagram 4 in my December '08 BD article illustrates an example of this. Here it is:

Are you willing to share the information or at least describe the claim?

Thanks,
Dave

As the tip offset decreases pre-pivot, the bridge distance impact decreases. It'd be nice if you study the video for a while and play around with the information before you write a review. You're prob already writing your two thumbs down review and I'd bet the world you haven't hit 100 balls while trying to apply the knowledge. The info is there for those who want it.

Hal says the offset doesn't matter, so the 1/2 tip offset was the way to go. Hard to arc improperly at that small of an offset (as your diagram is attempting to imply).

 

[dr_dave]

As the tip offset decreases pre-pivot, the bridge distance impact decreases.

Agreed.

Regards,
Dave

 

[Ratta]

Well to be fair a video lesson where it's demonstrated is a LOT different than trying to explain it in text.

I think that most people agree that visual learning trumps intellectual learning when it comes to physical activities.

For example what does feathering the ball mean? I thought I knew until one day when I took a lesson from Danny Medina and he said "feather this ball with a touch of right english". I hit the ball and the cue ball went two rails. Danny then proceeded to show me what feathering a ball meant to a professional and what sort of stroke was needed.

I thought "feathering" meant hitting it softly and thinly. But I didn't know what softly and thinly really were until I was SHOWN it by someone who had developed that touch.

All I can say about this video is that now NO ONE has an excuse not to have access to the "nuts and bolts" of the CTE method of aiming. Now there doesn't need to be any more debate on WHETHER it works or not and we can move forward to discussing HOW it works and more importantly how to improve on teaching it so that we don't have to go through hundreds of rounds of nasty fighting over something intended to help people play better pool.

Hi JB )
Nice to see that you re posting again- i really enjoy it!
I hope you didn t (or other guys, too) misunderstood my posting- it didn t want that it came out really negative. I was just surprised that Stan finally realeased it. And i m going to get one for sure

keep posting JB !

lg from overseas,
Ingo

 

[pooltchr]

Honestly, after one viewing, it wasn't clear to me how one decides on what alignment/pivot and bridge length to use when faced with an arbitrary shot at the table; although, the numerous examples provided are useful.


Regards,
Dave

That was the biggest unanswered question I had on my first viewing. I will need to get to a pool table with some peace and quiet to really work with it. I also plan to get together with a friend who has studied the subject with Stan. There has to be something to let you know whether you are lining up to A,B, or C.

I gotta admit it is a lot to think about.

Steve

 

[garczar]

watched it once and played the following day: AMAZING. i made more free-stroked,center-pocket shots in one hour than i've made in the last week. still coming to grasp with pivoting,either manually or pro, but more play will bring this around. BTW, had no clue that this system is the NUTS for making most banks. you the man,stan

 

[peteypooldude]

I believe the reason for the chapters and grid Stan provides in the DVD
is to encourage step by step learning of the system. I have been using it
quite a while and the information is there.Take it in chapters and take
notes. There is too much information to absorb watching it as a whole

 

[SpiderWebComm]

That was the biggest unanswered question I had on my first viewing. I will need to get to a pool table with some peace and quiet to really work with it. I also plan to get together with a friend who has studied the subject with Stan. There has to be something to let you know whether you are lining up to A,B, or C.

I gotta admit it is a lot to think about.

Steve

I guess it would only be a lot to think about if this is completely new to someone -- I thought the same things years ago. When you become more experienced, you know immediately what alignment it is. As far as basic CTE - from there it's which pivot direction is the right one and only one is correct. If you pivot one way and it's obviously wrong-- just reset correctly.

There are two variables when using CTE--- sighting the outermost edge "correct eye placement" --- which Stan has simplified as A, B, C and 1/8s for extremes --- and the pivot itself. It's possible to maintain the same alignment for all shots and utilize a highly dynamic pivot that changes not only with distance, but cut angle. Or, you can simplify the pivot by minimizing it to the lowest objective denominator and varying the eye placement to objective points (A, B & C for 90% of all shots).

The more advanced (experienced is prob a better word) you become, you can immediately eliminate over 1/2 of the options, always pivot from the same direction and only figure thick or thin (or even just thin or very thin). Obviously if you have a 80 degree cut to the left, you're not considering alignment A, right?

Hopefully that all makes sense.

For example, it might make sense to minimize the pivot arc/movement and make an objective adjustment on the sighting target. The pivot can be reduced to an even smaller movement (< 1/2 tip) as long as the vector is coming from an offset position to center. The smaller it gets, the more objective it becomes.

Anyways, in conclusion - you must think about the variables initially so you understand what's really happening. Before too long, the answer is instantly apparent.

 

[JE54]

Good info, just need to keep working on it.

 

[obrien714]

Got Mine

I ordered my dvd last fri or sat. It came in the mail Tues. I Really see how the system eliminates the guess work of the aiming systems we are all used to targeting the cue ball with...

I havent had a chance to get on the table yet to give it a try. I do have 2 questions..

1. It seems the system is for pocketing balls. Where does the position play and english part come in.. Can i line up for a shot , use the proper pivot and use high or low english?

2. When pocketing the bank shot i only assume, due to the fact i havent been to the table yet. You find your bank point on the rail and then use the proper cte aim position. Hit the ball and thats your line?


My last question is. I tried to watch the video on my MACBOOK laptop and then also a windows laptop and the dvd will not play.. Is anyone else having a problem with this? My regular dvd player plays it fine.


Headed to a table tonight to start my CTE journey..

Cheers

 

[Neil]

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[obrien714]

thanks

Well i am going to head to a different room, watching the dvd with my mother in law might be why i missed that info, she had alot of questions and just might have been why i missed it... Thanks....