Kamui vs Kamui Black

Mike Templeton

Mike Templeton

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I'm sure someone has asked the difference between Kamui and Kamui Black tips. I searched, but couldn't find anything. I'm getting a Kamui SS to try on my Tiger shaft. What's the difference between the brown and black tips?

Thanks,
Mike
 
Kamuitipsdotcom said:
Hi Mike,

Please check out KAMUI Tips Home page. You can see the Kamui elasticity chart there.
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Looking at that chart is like trying to solve a mystery.

Can someone please tell us what you think the differences are between the two kinds. I too would like to know the "hit" or "feel" difference.

Right now i play with a Kamui Medium brown. Would like know what black tip might be simular.

thanks,

Craig
 
Hi Craig,

From your Brown tip you have now... If you were to go to a black tip you would feel a more "spongy" feel. And Spongy is the best word I can find to define it...

The Black tip will absorb more of the impact before releasing the ball. So, the black tip will give you more spin with less exerted force. This means you would have better control of the cue ball.

hope that helps.
 
and when John says spongy, by no means is the tip spongy feeling. It is more responsive in the fact that they are like high performance tires.

The Kamui Brown is firmer and to me, they are not as appealing as the Kamui Blacks.

Just about every single person I converted from whatever they were playing with to a Kamui Black has fell in love with it.
 
You are correct... The "car" analogy makes better sense for us to understand.... If you had a high performance car and you wanted to change the tires on the car you would not put standard cheap tires on the car... You want to grip the road so you would put the best money could buy for the car.

Imagine your cue is a Ferrari... You would want the best, most reliable, top performing tip for it.

I think I will use cars for analogizing. :ok:
 
yea everyone wants a sponge feeling tip on there pool cue! and $25 for a tip yea that is kind of like buying a sports car except the car is worth the money. i guess people will tell you anything you want to hear as long as there in your wallet. are people really falling for the oldest trick in the book?

in a land far far away someone is running a sweat shop making your kamui tip for penny's a piece, with Mr. Masato laughing all the way to the bank.


jonathan powell
Eight Ball Bank Billiards
PO box 273
pewee valley, ky 40056

E mail: eightballbank@gmail.com
 
rackemky said:
yea everyone wants a sponge feeling tip on there pool cue! and $25 for a tip yea that is kind of like buying a sports car except the car is worth the money. i guess people will tell you anything you want to hear as long as there in your wallet. are people really falling for the oldest trick in the book?

in a land far far away someone is running a sweat shop making your kamui tip for penny's a piece, with Mr. Masato laughing all the way to the bank.


jonathan powell
Eight Ball Bank Billiards
PO box 273
pewee valley, ky 40056

E mail: eightballbank@gmail.com
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You mean you couldn't get them at wholesale prices so now you're disparaging them.
But, if you got them at wholesale prices, they'd be much better huh ?
 
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Kamuitipsdotcom said:
You are correct... The "car" analogy makes better sense for us to understand.... If you had a high performance car and you wanted to change the tires on the car you would not put standard cheap tires on the car... You want to grip the road so you would put the best money could buy for the car.

Imagine your cue is a Ferrari... You would want the best, most reliable, top performing tip for it.

I think I will use cars for analogizing. :ok:
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I assume by this that everyone feels that the Kamui Black is best. I asked the difference between Black and Brown, and even Kamuitips says that the Black is like a "performance" tire and the Brown is like a "cheap" tire according to the quoted post above.

Thanks for the help. I'll go with the Black.
 
Best???

Mike Templeton said:
I assume by this that everyone feels that the Kamui Black is best. I asked the difference between Black and Brown, and even Kamuitips says that the Black is like a "performance" tire and the Brown is like a "cheap" tire according to the quoted post above.

Thanks for the help. I'll go with the Black.
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I am also an authorized Kamui installer, I put the tan on Mika's cue and he snapped off the Dragon tournament, I also installed the black on Rodney Morrison's cue in the same event, he also cashed. I myself like the tan. Not necessarily which is best, just preference of which hit you like. Here's another tip, dont use a tip pick, or rugged shapers, get some strips of 220 sandpaper, and use that to scuff your tip, or Kamui also makes a scuffer. It will last a lot longer.
 
Mike Templeton said:
I'm sure someone has asked the difference between Kamui and Kamui Black tips. I searched, but couldn't find anything. I'm getting a Kamui SS to try on my Tiger shaft. What's the difference between the brown and black tips?

Thanks,
Mike
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I use a Kamui black SS and I think, when first installed, it grabs the CB better/more than any other tip I've ever used. After I tried one, I bought a dozen to keep on hand and had them installed on all my shafts. The black tips shape and rough up different than other tips I've used: they sort of kick up a black power instead of letting go little tiny shreds of leather. They have minimal mushrooming and after maybe one post-install trim they keep their shape. The SS is not really all that soft, not like an Elkmaster, more like a soft-medium Moori. Hope this helps.

Lou Figueroa
 
I play with two different cues that have identical(size wise) laminated shafts from the same maker. One has a black SS and the other has a brown med soft. Personally I like the brown because the SS is too spongy for me. I seem to get more spin on the ball but less control. It's not an accurate matchup because of the hardness difference but I like it better. I'm going to try the black soft and see if I like it better. But for now...my preference is definitely the brown.

That being said....I don't know that I'd ever want to even try a tip other than the kamui.
 
I have brown soft and black soft tips on identical shafts from the same cuemaker. After a couple of months, I still haven't decided which one I will have installed on all my shafts, but I'm leaning slightly toward the black.

To me, it feels like the brown is a little harder tip than the black. I know Kamui rates them the same hardness, and they probably are, but that's the best way I can describe what the difference feels like to me. And the difference is not much; it's not like the difference between an Elk Master and a Triangle, more like the difference between a tall tip and a short tip of the same make.. And the black does not feel "spongy" at all. I understand John's use of the word, but it is misleading.

I've spent the past two years or so looking for a layered tip that was a longer-lasting, acceptable replacement for my beloved Triangles (there is no cuemaker anywhere near me and I'm too lazy to do my own maintenance). I tried many different tips, but was not quite satsified with any of them. For me, the Kamui soft is not just an acceptable substitute for the Triangle, but I actually like them better. Finally, someone has made a twenty-dollar tip that is better (IMO) than a fifty-cent Triangle.

-Howard
 
to me, the Black soft feels like a really good LePro( before 45 out of a box of 50 sucked) as far as firmness but with grip levels you just CAN'T get with a non-layered tip. BTW, just test hit a cue with Hirano med. on it and was very impressed. worth checking out folks
 
I personally like a nice hard tip. I've been playing with a Kamui brown Medium for the past year or two.

From what i've read here if i want to try a K. Black i prob try a black hard first????

thanks,
 
cbi1000 said:
I personally like a nice hard tip. I've been playing with a Kamui brown Medium for the past year or two.

From what i've read here if i want to try a K. Black i prob try a black hard first????

thanks,
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If you want a harder "feel" then yes... If you want the same "hardness" but want more "give" in the tip then go with the Black Medium.

If you have matching shafts... Do one each.
 
Kamuitipsdotcom said:
You are correct... The "car" analogy makes better sense for us to understand.... If you had a high performance car and you wanted to change the tires on the car you would not put standard cheap tires on the car... You want to grip the road so you would put the best money could buy for the car.

Imagine your cue is a Ferrari... You would want the best, most reliable, top performing tip for it.

I think I will use cars for analogizing. :ok:
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I actually agree! :) the problem is, in the above analogy the tires would probably not cost 40 times more (50 cent triangle vs $20 kamui). lets see if that makes sense.... if you paid 1000 dollars for some nice tires, would you pay 40,000 dollars for the best? i doubt the benefits would justify that cost, and hence the company that produced the "best" tires would have to rethink their price point.
 
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enzo said:
I actually agree! :) the problem is, in the above analogy the tires would probably not cost 40 times more (50 cent triangle vs $20 kamui). lets see if that makes sense.... if you paid 1000 dollars for some nice tires, would you pay 40,000 dollars for the best? i doubt the benefits would justify that cost.
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Enzo,

You can't tell me you would put cheap tires on your ENZO Ferrari and go compete, would you?... No, I doubt it. A high performance tire costs more because MORE technology goes into making the tire. I have seen it.

I find it fascinating how some think they "know" everything about tips and how the manufacture is laughing to the bank... Mr. Masato is my friend for over 8 years. He and I started this venture 7 years ago to make the sport more enjoyable for everyone.

I am learning something new every day about leather and about manufacturing.

"We are never satisfied with the product we produce" ~Mr. Masato

We keep buying Apple computers and high performance race/sports cars... Lets HANG the tip maker for $20?

LOL... Go play pool! What are you doing to grow the sport? Bring someone new to the pool hall and share billiards. Show a child billiards. Be productive with your time for the things you love to do. And all of you are here because you love billiards like we do... I challenge you to make a "difference". Our sport is dieing.

I have to log out because AZ can be consuming and I need to focus on getting some work done here. I am here for you guys 24-7-365.

Go play pool! ;-) I am saying all this with a happy heart and appreciation for your support in the Kamui brand.
 
30 shafts with assorted Kamui, Kamui II -and blks

(French Champion,Elk Master,morri, (Kamui II blks win.) Bring good results on the table- But It is the Stroke that Wins all the games. I pd like 13.25 for Tips in 2005. I bought 110. My wife thought I was crazy- I was there at the forefront. Using Kamui. I am also going to look into Hirano Premium Tips from JP as well. I like the fact maintainable,long length - and blks compound for(the weather elements) You still need a stroke! mark
 
i've been playing kamui black hard tip, so far it is the best tip i have put on a predator shaft.
 
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