Same Shot Different Side Problem

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DrCue'sProtege

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Okay, I am just curious about what could be causing this. I have noticed this for a long time now and thought i would finally ask. What could be the cause of missing the same shot from one side of the table over the other side?

For example, in the diagram below both shots are straight in. i am not very good at shooting the 1-Ball into the corner pocket with the draw stroke. However, I am a lot better at shooting the 3-Ball into the other corner pocket with the draw stroke.

Can anyone think of any reason why I would be worse from one side on basically the same shot?

Mike


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Focus on not leaving yourself straight in, instead of bothering us with these threads. All you do is ***** about this shot and that shot, start leaving yourself easier shots. Pattern play and good angles are what make runouts.

Yes, I'm being a little mean, but you never listen.

-s
 
steev said:
Yes, I'm being a little mean, but you never listen.

-s
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I have always listened, and always will. But not to stupid uncalled for responses like the above.

Anyway, anxiously looking forward to see if RandyG, Pooltchr, Mark Avlon and others might have to say here.

Mike
 
Straight in is straight in. It makes absolutely no difference where the balls are positioned. If you are locking your eyes on your target, you shouldn't even be aware of which side of the table you are on. I suspect your eyes may be wandering.

Steve
 
Neal, I have to disagree on this one. If you are lining up for a straight in shot, your head and eye position doesn't (shouldn't) change based on where the balls are located. Straight in is straight in, if your eyes are only focusing on the cb/ob line.
On cut shots, yes we see things differently depending on whether it's a right or left cut, although our eye position should remain the same. It's the perception that varies. Our perception of a straight in shot shouldn't change, regardless of where the shot is located on the table.

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
Our perception of a straight in shot shouldn't change, regardless of where the shot is located on the table.
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Agreed. There is nothing obvious from the setup that would indicate a source of the problem. So, what might be the difference for Mike?

I'd suspect a subtle change in alignment or stroke (Mike's using draw). There is no way to know without watching Mike shoot the shots.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i am not very good at shooting the 1-Ball into the corner pocket with the draw stroke. However, I am a lot better at shooting the 3-Ball into the other corner pocket with the draw stroke.
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Mike, if you shoot to each corner ten times, how many do make of each corner?
 
I've found for cut shot make percentage difference depending on cut direction, that Gene's Perfect Aim was the clear winner in correcting that. That was my personal experience with it.

For straight in shots, I bet if you shot each direction 100 times, you would find there is no difference, and you just think there is a difference now.

I'm not an instructor, just my opinion...
 
iusedtoberich said:
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For straight in shots, I bet if you shot each direction 100 times, you would find there is no difference, and you just think there is a difference now.

I'm not an instructor, just my opinion...
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You just might be correct!

Steve
 
Mark Avlon said:
Mike, if you shoot to each corner ten times, how many do make of each corner?
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The 1-Ball, maybe 4-5 times.

The 3-Ball, maybe 7-8 times.

This is using draw, enough to draw back to the short rail. I usually over-cut the 1-Ball, hitting it into the short rail.

Mike
 
If you shoot better on one side than the other, possibly the way your stance is set up may be the culprit. On the left from the head string, the dominant side will be placed differently than on the right side.Or it could be unrelated, I had lasix surgery and my right eye is not the same as before, the left eye now has the best vision. It may be mental, could be not adjusted for new conditions, could be lack of practice, but cuts to the left easier than cuts to the right. I have been running drills to help relearn the sight picture to go with new vision constraints. Also consider instructor for an hour to evaluate stroke and fundamentals. Progress for me is defined as making new mistakes. I run a drill that starts one diamond out for OB, one diamond back foe cue. If I make it, I move the cue back a diamond. If I miss I move the cue forward a diamond. If I make it all the way down the table, The OB moves back a diamond and repeat. USe a pool cue to make them as straight as possible. Those paper assholes and a piece of string can make it so straight in is really straight in. I ussually just eyeball it though. Also have a plan on where the cue ball goes after the OB is struck, freeze it, slight roll forward, draw it back. Try straight in down a rail, 30 shots of each, keep us updated. Good luck, John
 
Like Steve said: "straight in is straight in", this should be clear for everyone, lol.

But: If the CB is not at a point, where you can exactly setup your stance like on another shot, many players have a problem with their alignment. I call it *every has his chocolate-side* at the table :p.
Depends on how tall a player is etc. - i have this problem atm often caused by the knee-problem. same angle (just on the other side of table f.e.), but not able to setup my right leg/foot like i used to do or want to do-and then i don t feel comfortable. But this is again a case, where an advice without seeing is hard to give. Also it could be something that your *bridge-arm* is totally straight etc, etc.
 
Your stance might vary SLIGHTLY based on your body's angle of attack into the bottom rail. However, they're straight-in. If they were cuts, there are a ton of reasons why you'd miss more to one side than the other (in fact, MOST people have a strong/weak side when cutting balls). Straight in... well... it's your stroke. The other guy said it best---shoot 100 in each side and you'll see you're likely shooting the same %.

DCP, you should post a video of yourself playing. If you really want help, you'd find a way to do this. It's KILLING me to keep reading these flighty posts and you never lift a finger to help those trying to help you. It's like you have POOL MUNCHAUSEN SYNDROME. You keep yourself playing like shit so you get attention in the ask the instructor section.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
DCP, you should post a video of yourself playing. If you really want help, you'd find a way to do this. It's KILLING me to keep reading these flighty posts and you never lift a finger to help those trying to help you. It's like you have POOL MUNCHAUSEN SYNDROME. You keep yourself playing like shit so you get attention in the ask the instructor section.
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Keep myself playing like shit? i do? my runout percentage isnt where i'd like it to be right at the moment, i am only at about 58%. By that i mean when i break and get down to the last few balls and definitely feel i should get out i am only succeeding 58% of the time. I'd like for that to get up to 75% or more.

And to everybody out there, including instructors, i can assure you i am not just after attention. that is a ridiculous statement. if all i want is attention i wouldnt have spent tons of $$$ for lessons from Tom Rossman, Diana Minor, Mark Wilson, Scott Lee - and if i am fortunate enough, RandyG and Nick Varner later this year.

Mike
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Your stance might vary SLIGHTLY based on your body's angle of attack into the bottom rail.
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I don't think the table is an influence on this shot with the cue ball a diamond and a half from the rail. There should be plenty of clearance between the table and the shooter.

Often, when working with students on a particular shot, I have them step away between shots. If they don't, their stance doesn't change and there alignment will remain good and they can become careless causing misleading results. After having to step away, the student has to see and carefully align to the shot each time. Each shot is then treated as a completely new shot by the student.

Mike, On these shots, you don't have to move much between the two. If you are not already doing so, step away between each shot, and see if your results improve. Don't be surprised if your results worsen. Either way, you may learn something.
 
Good luck! So would a LOT of pro players. I think the average B&R% during the IPT tournaments was averaged at about 15-20%. There are NO pros that get anywhere close of 75% break and run...not even in any single tournament EVER! Wade Crane posted the highest Accu-Stat statistic, when years ago he managed to shoot a 1.000 match (the only one in 20 yrs), and that match was nowhere near all break and runouts.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

DrCue'sProtege said:
By that i mean when i break and get down to the last few balls and definitely feel i should get out i am only succeeding 58% of the time. I'd like for that to get up to 75% or more.

Mike
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58% ........rotfl

Sry, i couldn resist.
Get a friend and play 100 of games- no matter what discipline. I also let it up to you if you want to choose between 9 or 8 ft table. My bet is standing. You ll never run-out 58 % of 100 games.
Training with a guy who won many european titles, even more german titles- really close to a pro-player on 8-ball. He played well and was about 50 % after hours. And he was really happy that he played so well
....so next time put out your calculator and think about it what you ll write.

Still laughing,

Ingo
 
Ratta said:
58% ........rotfl

Sry, i couldn resist.
Get a friend and play 100 of games- no matter what discipline. I also let it up to you if you want to choose between 9 or 8 ft table. My bet is standing. You ll never run-out 58 % of 100 games.
Training with a guy who won many european titles, even more german titles- really close to a pro-player on 8-ball. He played well and was about 50 % after hours. And he was really happy that he played so well
....so next time put out your calculator and think about it what you ll write.

Still laughing,

Ingo
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I gotta agree...if he can run out 58%, and thinking it should be 75%, he should be the one answering all the questions...not the one asking them.

Steve
 
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