F/S F/T Brand NEW JD high-end

Wow, Joe and me ought to get some sort of royalties on this mofo. I still have the original drawings I made for Joe on this one.

Sh!t just ain't right....................

JimmyK
 
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1pRoscoe said:
Link? Curious to see what else is being knocked off...]
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That would be here...
http://cgi.ebay.com/8POINTS-AMBOYNA...654?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf51e3f1e

What a bunch of crap. I have been playing with a Joe C cue for many years now. I hate to see his (and Jimmyrak's) work knocked off like this. It would be one thing to make a similar cue, but to outright make a direct copy...that crap ain't right. If the OP is to be believed, Joel made more than one of them...the one he bought and the one sold on Ebay.

Joe

Some of his other "customs"...no need to come up with your own ideas with so many good ones already out there to copy:
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-POINTS-EBONY-...314?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf51884f2
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-POINTS-EBONY-...823?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf5184c57
http://cgi.ebay.com/4POINTS-BIRDSEY...443?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf507149b
http://cgi.ebay.com/JD-Custom-Cue-T...316?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a62d46304
 
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Wow, these are some of my favorite cue designs being copied exactly as they are. With intellectual property theft being as controversial as it is these days, you'd think this kind of stuff wouldn't happen. Someone needs to pay for this.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
I just showed the photos in the first post here to my wife and asked her who made the cue and she immediately said Joe (meaning Joe C).

Obviously Joe Davidas knows how to build a cue, but as soon as I saw that cue, I recognized those diamonds as Joe Callaluca's. I don't understand why he had to copy the cue exactly (minus the silver rings).

He could have changed it up a little and nobody would have even said a word.
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He does this with ginacue designs as well...
btw, the JD cue has more work in it :) an extra veneer in the points (the orange).
 
Tony Zinzola said:
You can file a report with ebay. Not sure if they'll do anything or not, but it's worth a try.
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ebay will not do anything. The only way ebay will do anything is if the original maker is a member of their VERO program and they contact ebay.
 
Wow for $200 you can get the value of a $2,300 custom????
 
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Jd

The value proposition is why I bought one.

I was amazed with how well my wrapless 16 point cue hits from Joel.
 
like the one above, copy seems like to be normal :D
If you don't want to pay that high, you can offer some cues to trade as well
 
ftse20 said:
like the one above, copy seems like to be normal :D
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Copying another's work is never "normal". If the cuebuilders were from the US, they would be subject to legal proceedings in regards to theft of intellectual property, etc. Some of the filipino cuemakers have a lot of talent and artistic ability, but they will never be taken seriously as cuebuilders until they stop copying the artwork of others and stand on their own merits.

Do you think Edwin Reyes had to copy another cuebuilder's work?

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
Copying another's work is never "normal". If the cuebuilders were from the US, they would be subject to legal proceedings in regards to theft of intellectual property, etc. Some of the filipino cuemakers have a lot of talent and artistic ability, but they will never be taken seriously as cuebuilders until they stop copying the artwork of others and stand on their own merits.

Do you think Edwin Reyes had to copy another cuebuilder's work?

Joe
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Great points Joe...............when Joe and I did this cue together, we were both very proud of how it turned out. I was very happy for Joe to receive the deserved visibilty including the Billiards Digest article.

The more I think about this, the more it pisses me off.

Respectfully,
Jim Kissinger
 
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For my opinion the copy things appears mostly in Asian culture, I dont want to be mean but there are
So are they really dont have the ability to creat?
I dont think so~~~some of the cues are fantastic, either looking or hitting
but~~sigh~~~
 
Cue Dilemma.

I understand the creators of the design being a little upset even though the cue is not exactly the same, to be honest.To be fair there have been so many cues that have very similar chacteristics and so many tribute cues,would some people start thinking that when people are using the word tribute cue,is that giving them a free pass to make a cue of exact similarities but to sell it at a cheaper cost than buying an actual original?I'm not saying it is but I can't say for sure it's not.I know by saying tribute your giving the actual cuemaker credit, but at the end of the day I believe (Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery).Goodluck:)
 
scsuxci said:
I understand the creators of the design being a little upset even though the cue is not exactly the same, to be honest.To be fair there have been so many cues that have very similar chacteristics and so many tribute cues,would some people start thinking that when people are using the word tribute cue,is that giving them a free pass to make a cue of exact similarities but to sell it at a cheaper cost than buying an actual original?I'm not saying it is but I can't say for sure it's not.I know by saying tribute your giving the actual cuemaker credit, but at the end of the day I believe (Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery).Goodluck:)
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Maybe you saw or read something that I didn't, but I have not seen one word in any of the Ebay ads or on here giving credit to Joe C for the original cue build and design. Honestly, I had not seen the Billiard's Digest article. When I first saw the cue, I said, "Damn nice cue from a filipino cuebuilder!!"...well, I was wrong...bad wrong.

Joe C is a friend and a really great cuemaker. I have had hundreds of cues, but I have played with the cue that Joe C converted for me for around 5 years now...by choice. It truly pisses me off to see his work copied and "watered down" by cheap imitations.

There is no flattery intended here that I can see, just simple theft for monetary gain.

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
Maybe you saw or read something that I didn't, but I have not seen one word in any of the Ebay ads or on here giving credit to Joe C for the original cue build and design. Honestly, I had not seen the Billiard's Digest article. When I first saw the cue, I said, "Damn nice cue from a filipino cuebuilder!!"...well, I was wrong...bad wrong.

Joe C is a friend and a really great cuemaker. I have had hundreds of cues, but I have played with the cue that Joe C converted for me for around 5 years now...by choice. It truly pisses me off to see his work copied and "watered down" by cheap imitations.

There is no flattery intended here that I can see, just simple theft for monetary gain.

Joe
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I know your upset which is unfortunate,but I really believe that there are so many inspired cuemakers out there that get idea's,designs,technique,color schemes,shaft tapers and many other things from other makers.What makes them cheap imatation?I hope that people aren't insinuating that because they come from the Phillipines that there cheap,cause that wouldn't be fair either.There cost of living is alot less so they can sell at a fairly low price compared to other country's.As far as I've ever seen or heard his cues are built quite well with good materials.Even if JD gave the props to the cuemakers designs that inspired him I don't think the opinions on the board would change in the least due to the price he sells them at,but thats just my thoughts.Thanks
 
scsuxci said:
"I know your upset which is unfortunate,but I really believe that there are so many inspired cuemakers out there that get idea's,designs,technique,color schemes,shaft tapers and many other things from other makers.What makes them cheap imatation?"

Getting design ideas, etc is a whole lot different than simply doing a complete copy of a cue.

"I hope that people aren't insinuating that because they come from the Phillipines that there cheap,cause that wouldn't be fair either."

I am not insinuating anything. I don't know this cuemaker's quality as I have never had one of his cues, but I have seen a lot of filipino cues that warped when they came to the states...due primarily to the high humidity of the Philippines and the shock to the wood caused by the change in climate. I have also seen a lot of really poor quality work from many cues from that country, but then I have also seen poor quality from many others, including the US, as well.

What is not "fair" is to copy another person's work and take credit for it as having been your own work...where you come from has nothing to do with your ability to develop and display integrity.

"Even if JD gave the props to the cuemakers designs that inspired him I don't think the opinions on the board would change in the least due to the price he sells them at,but thats just my thoughts.Thanks"

You are probably right, but it would have shown that he was truly giving credit where credit was due.

He saw the Billiards Digest article, and decided that Joe Callaluca had built a great looking cue, and that he could build copies of it and profit from that. The motivation was money, pure and simple....very sad, indeed. It would have been wrong no matter where he resided...Phillipines, China, Europe or in the good USofA. Wrong is wrong.

Joe
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