People make comments like "Good game" or break their stick apart on the hill match, even though it's not a routine shot? It has sharked me a few times. I know it shouldn't but it just does. I think it's just bad etiquette but a lot of people unfortunately don't know any better.
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Form of sharking?
I think it's a form of sharking. In leagues around here that behavior is sharking and I believe that implies concession of game. One of the guys I often play with has the habit of getting up, grabbing the rack, and just stand WAITING while you're on the game ball.
I think it's a form of sharking. In leagues around here that behavior is sharking and I believe that implies concession of game. One of the guys I often play with has the habit of getting up, grabbing the rack, and just stand WAITING while you're on the game ball.
My buddy went in together at a nine ball round robin tourney and I was watching him play a young buck who slammed the nine just hoping it would fall somewhere. He left my buddy an eight foot 40 degree cut that looked tough. The kid said good game and my buddy immediately said good game and shook his hand and walked away to report that he'd won all 4 games. I loved it!
Guess what? The first game I played the kid he did the same thing and I said good game back before shooting the nine. He kind of froze like he wasn't liking this new trend but I just kept pulling balls out of the pockets matter of factly without ever touching the nine or the cue ball until he finally started racking.
Guess what? The first game I played the kid he did the same thing and I said good game back before shooting the nine. He kind of froze like he wasn't liking this new trend but I just kept pulling balls out of the pockets matter of factly without ever touching the nine or the cue ball until he finally started racking.
Breaking-down-of-cue and verbal concession is just that -- concession
Magyar19:
Anytime someone breaks their cue down before the opponent has shot, that is CONCESSION OF THE MATCH right then and there. You're supposed to get up off the shot (without shooting the shot), turn around to face your opponent, and shake his/her hand. That's the way it's done. You'll see the Open- and Pro-level players doing this all the time. No use to try and shoot the ball when your opponent's match mindset "has already left the building."
If they say "Good game" and have an outstretched hand to shake yours, that's also CONCESSION OF THE MATCH right then and there. Same conditions as breaking-the-cue-down apply here as well.
If the opponent just says "Good game" without an outstretched hand, then what I'd do is to get up off the shot (again, without shooting), outstretch my hand as an offer to him/her as part of the post-match cordiality. If the opponent balks, then I'd promptly lecture the opponent about bad sportmanship in falsely conceding the match / attempting to shark. Usually the opponent will give in. If not, then call the T.D. over. T.D.s will usually side with the person that accepted the signs of concession, without having to shoot the shot, precisely for the reasons of discouraging bad sportsmanship / sharking.
Somewhere the "breaking-down-of-the-cue" and other signs of concession are in the BCA and other rules, but I don't have time at the moment to go look. (Perhaps someone would be so kind to post the excerpts here? I have to leave work to go eat and thought I'd squeeze-in a quick reply.)
That's the way I see it.
-Sean
Magyar19:
Anytime someone breaks their cue down before the opponent has shot, that is CONCESSION OF THE MATCH right then and there. You're supposed to get up off the shot (without shooting the shot), turn around to face your opponent, and shake his/her hand. That's the way it's done. You'll see the Open- and Pro-level players doing this all the time. No use to try and shoot the ball when your opponent's match mindset "has already left the building."
If they say "Good game" and have an outstretched hand to shake yours, that's also CONCESSION OF THE MATCH right then and there. Same conditions as breaking-the-cue-down apply here as well.
If the opponent just says "Good game" without an outstretched hand, then what I'd do is to get up off the shot (again, without shooting), outstretch my hand as an offer to him/her as part of the post-match cordiality. If the opponent balks, then I'd promptly lecture the opponent about bad sportmanship in falsely conceding the match / attempting to shark. Usually the opponent will give in. If not, then call the T.D. over. T.D.s will usually side with the person that accepted the signs of concession, without having to shoot the shot, precisely for the reasons of discouraging bad sportsmanship / sharking.
Somewhere the "breaking-down-of-the-cue" and other signs of concession are in the BCA and other rules, but I don't have time at the moment to go look. (Perhaps someone would be so kind to post the excerpts here? I have to leave work to go eat and thought I'd squeeze-in a quick reply.)
That's the way I see it.
-Sean
shark!!!!!
anytime my opponent makes any noise while i'm at the table i consider it sharking.:angry:
why is it that i can stay perfectly still and quiet while someone else is at the table, even going out of my way not to make any loud noises like setting a cup down too hard, or refusing to make unnecessary chatter with others etc. that might break his concentration. and my opponent can't extend the same courtesy.
even saying "oh, he's got an easy out", "good game", or any other banter is uncalled for until the match is over. it's an attempt at throwing you off your "game face".
there's a book about Tiger Woods that speaks of Tiger's attitude towards competition, other players find him intimidating due to the fact that in competition he doesn't initiate small talk, and many players whom have tried to break the ice with him before a round have been met with only "good luck". Tiger once said good luck to Vjay Singh and Vjay replied..."proV1 number 4". LOL!:thumbup:
world class competitors understand what it takes to focus and concentrate in order to compete at their highest possible level. and usually they extend that courtesy to their opponents. it's the bangers that ruin the game for others whom are trying to play their best. bangers stink at playing the game, never got any better or perhaps had gotten worse, and the only way they can win is to distract you in an effort to bring you down to their level.
anytime my opponent makes any noise while i'm at the table i consider it sharking.:angry:
why is it that i can stay perfectly still and quiet while someone else is at the table, even going out of my way not to make any loud noises like setting a cup down too hard, or refusing to make unnecessary chatter with others etc. that might break his concentration. and my opponent can't extend the same courtesy.
even saying "oh, he's got an easy out", "good game", or any other banter is uncalled for until the match is over. it's an attempt at throwing you off your "game face".
there's a book about Tiger Woods that speaks of Tiger's attitude towards competition, other players find him intimidating due to the fact that in competition he doesn't initiate small talk, and many players whom have tried to break the ice with him before a round have been met with only "good luck". Tiger once said good luck to Vjay Singh and Vjay replied..."proV1 number 4". LOL!:thumbup:
world class competitors understand what it takes to focus and concentrate in order to compete at their highest possible level. and usually they extend that courtesy to their opponents. it's the bangers that ruin the game for others whom are trying to play their best. bangers stink at playing the game, never got any better or perhaps had gotten worse, and the only way they can win is to distract you in an effort to bring you down to their level.
Lots of people are going to say things like this regardless of whether they are trying to shark you or not. Some things are reasonably going to put a person off their game such as sudden loud noise or movement at the moment of the final stroke.
But anything that happens before you shoot should not have any effect on the shot. In this case I think what starts happening is people think "oh what bad sportsmanship, he probably wants me to miss the shot, now I might because I always seem to miss when someone says that". And once you start thinking about missing shots....It should be no shock when that happens. You're generally going to execute whatever picture you have in your head. If you start saying "don't miss, don't miss, don't miss", your going to be picturing a ball, if only for second, missing because your mind isn't processing the word 'don't'. For example....Don't think of an apple. I'm betting most had an apple flash in their head for a second.
The last thing we need is to provide ourselves excuses for losing or missing. It's all in your head.
I'm not saying it's acceptable behaviour by any stretch, I hate it when players talk to me while I'm shooting during a match. All I'm saying is that anything that happens before you shoot should have no bearing on what happens on the shot. You can train yourself to be put off by just about anything really. Bad music, weird smells, an open door etc. until you become the most finicky eccentric player out there who can only play in a wax museum.
Not preaching from the mountain, I'm probably the most sharkable player out there. But I'm working on it. I guess this is step 1 in recovery for me: admitting I have a problem hahahaha
But anything that happens before you shoot should not have any effect on the shot. In this case I think what starts happening is people think "oh what bad sportsmanship, he probably wants me to miss the shot, now I might because I always seem to miss when someone says that". And once you start thinking about missing shots....It should be no shock when that happens. You're generally going to execute whatever picture you have in your head. If you start saying "don't miss, don't miss, don't miss", your going to be picturing a ball, if only for second, missing because your mind isn't processing the word 'don't'. For example....Don't think of an apple. I'm betting most had an apple flash in their head for a second.
The last thing we need is to provide ourselves excuses for losing or missing. It's all in your head.
I'm not saying it's acceptable behaviour by any stretch, I hate it when players talk to me while I'm shooting during a match. All I'm saying is that anything that happens before you shoot should have no bearing on what happens on the shot. You can train yourself to be put off by just about anything really. Bad music, weird smells, an open door etc. until you become the most finicky eccentric player out there who can only play in a wax museum.
Not preaching from the mountain, I'm probably the most sharkable player out there. But I'm working on it. I guess this is step 1 in recovery for me: admitting I have a problem hahahaha
This kind of stuff happens were I play all the time, really don't think it's sharking just ignorance (no money involved). It's a retirement area and some of the players took up the game very late. I did have a very unusual shark yesterday. We were playing partners snooker, I had made a few balls and was starting to go through the colors. I was down on the 3 and suddenly my partner say "shoot the three" he thought I was going to shoot the four, anyhow the shark worked.
Something similar happened to me last night at a bar.
I had a cut shot on the 8 and my opponent puts his cue stick back up on the rack. I asked him if he was conceding the game and he said no. So he picked it back up and I continued to miss my shot, twice and he won.
I know he didn't mean to do it as a shark move but it did get to me. My fault. He didn't have any bad intentions. He's a cool cat. He's not going to pull a move like that just to win. Alot of the people I play aren't serious players, they don't know the game at a higher level. That's the downside of playing in bars but you do get some regulars who are students of the game.
I had a cut shot on the 8 and my opponent puts his cue stick back up on the rack. I asked him if he was conceding the game and he said no. So he picked it back up and I continued to miss my shot, twice and he won.
I know he didn't mean to do it as a shark move but it did get to me. My fault. He didn't have any bad intentions. He's a cool cat. He's not going to pull a move like that just to win. Alot of the people I play aren't serious players, they don't know the game at a higher level. That's the downside of playing in bars but you do get some regulars who are students of the game.
the second someone makes a move that could remotely resemble breaking down their cue i go over to them with my hand extended for them to shake it like the match is over. i dont even give them a second to think or ask them what they're doing and let them respond. the handshake says it all!
Next time some one tells you that,take your stick apart and say thank you,because they gave up you win,
I guess in tournaments you have to be careful,last year at valley forge,that same thing happen to my friend,the guy he was playing approched the table and said something to my friend after he had pocketed the 8ball playing 9ball my friend thought he had said it was good so my friend pick up the 9ball and started to rack em up ,and then an arguement started ,director comes over and sides with the other guy,so my friend loses that game,that guy had no right jumping up or talking while my friend was still shooting!that guy was totally sharking!
Words should mean something
Years ago..betting a lotta $$$$$
Giving up big weight at snooker ...the guy comes out of the gate fast...
..I'm stuck against the pack and I need everything with 8 reds left...
..the guy smirks at me and says "Wanna call the game off and double up?"
..I knock the reds all over the table with the side of my cue and say "Yeah ,why not."
He looked like a deer caught in the headlights.
..and he didn't have a good day gambling either...:wink:
Years ago..betting a lotta $$$$$
Giving up big weight at snooker ...the guy comes out of the gate fast...
..I'm stuck against the pack and I need everything with 8 reds left...
..the guy smirks at me and says "Wanna call the game off and double up?"
..I knock the reds all over the table with the side of my cue and say "Yeah ,why not."
He looked like a deer caught in the headlights.
..and he didn't have a good day gambling either...:wink:
I'm guilty of this, but not as an intentional form of sharking, but because I am at that point, for all intents and purposes conceding the game/match.
But in most leagues you will get flagged for sharking and it's considered poor sportsmanship.
But in most leagues you will get flagged for sharking and it's considered poor sportsmanship.
I'm pretty gangsta about this, when someone does what you are saying I shake their hand and say good match. I assume they are conceding. If they then say they aren't I tongue lash the living shit out of them, take a cig break, and just make them wait 5 or 10 minutes for their death. A couple times I have taken a break to come back to an empty table and my name moved forward in the tourney.
They know what they did is wrong.
They know what they did is wrong.
I 100% agree with you here, Mikey (see post 5 above, scenario #3). Tongue-lash the livin' p!ss out of 'em, and if that doesn't work, make 'em wait excruciatingly long for their death. Or else, just for the principle of the thing (i.e. piss 'em off by winning without having to shoot the shot), go get a bigger hammer -- the T.D. And the T.D. will make an example out of 'em, for they don't like this kinda crap being pulled in their tournaments.
That ain't gangsta. That's just the right thing to do.
-Sean
I had a time once where I was shooting in a local 9 ball tournament. I started out great and got to the hill when he started slopping 9s in and he eventually got to the hill too. I break and run to the 7 when he starts to break his cue down so I went over to shake his hand only to find out he hadn't unscrewed his cue but only made the unscrewing motion to try and shark me. I ended up taking a good 5 minutes to make damn sure I would finish the rack which I did.
Thing is, when you call someone on this move, it can backfire on you if you hadn't read the situation correctly. Your opponent, and sometimes some on the rail, will perceive you as the A-Hole.
My point is, it's a case by case basis and no blanket rule applies as to how you should respond, IMO.
The more experienced my opponent, the more inclined I am to force the consession and get in their face if need be. The less experienced, I'll get off the shot and reset. I may or may not say something about it. It just depends. How tough is that shot? Am I winning? Is the guy a d1ck? etc, etc...
My point is, it's a case by case basis and no blanket rule applies as to how you should respond, IMO.
The more experienced my opponent, the more inclined I am to force the consession and get in their face if need be. The less experienced, I'll get off the shot and reset. I may or may not say something about it. It just depends. How tough is that shot? Am I winning? Is the guy a d1ck? etc, etc...
I think if they do anything that calls your attention or interrupts your shooting it should be a concession.