Earl v. SVB Rule question

[SeanChamp]

During the match last night there were a couple times where one or the other would miss a called shot, then the incoming player would make them shoot again. I understand this if they pocketed a ball in an uncalled pocket, but these were just straight up misses. Is this a normal rule or what?

 

[Nostroke]

During the match last night there were a couple times where one or the other would miss a called shot, then the incoming player would make them shoot again. I understand this if they pocketed a ball in an uncalled pocket, but these were just straight up misses. Is this a normal rule or what?

Those are special rules (Grady's rules). The theory is if you miss a shot, your opponent should not be punished (by being hooked etc). He has the option to give it back to you. I think it is a great rule.

The only downside is it takes the 2-way shot out of the game but that IMO that is a small price to pay eliminate a whole lotta luck.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

The SBE 10 Ball event has been played this way, as are some events on the East Coast (Predator/Tony Robles).

 

[gordml]

During the match last night there were a couple times where one or the other would miss a called shot, then the incoming player would make them shoot again. I understand this if they pocketed a ball in an uncalled pocket, but these were just straight up misses. Is this a normal rule or what?

So what is the point in calling safe? If you fluke a ball the incoming player still has choice whether you call safe or not.

 

[SeanChamp]

So what is the point in calling safe? If you fluke a ball the incoming player still has choice whether you call safe or not.

I'm guesssing you have to actually verbally call safe and the opponent would not be able to give it back to you.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

So what is the point in calling safe? If you fluke a ball the incoming player still has choice whether you call safe or not.

Because if you call a safe and do not fluke a ball in then the table cannot be handed back to you, and you probably only rarely fluke a ball in. So the reason for calling safe is to avoid having the table given back to you. If you are hitting a shot that you intend to result in your opponent being hooked, why would you not call a safety if a poor situation could be handed back to you?

BTW, the reason the rules don't allow you to play safe and make a ball is to eliminate situations such as sinking the 10 ball hanging in the hole to avoid your opponent from having an easy combination on it. You can do that but you may want to play the shot in a way that gives you at least a peek at the lowest ball in case your opponent exercises his option. It's a matter of strategy.

 

[cigardave]

BTW, the reason the rules don't allow you to play safe and make a ball is to eliminate situations such as sinking the 10 ball hanging in the hole to avoid your opponent from having an easy combination on it.

Not sure that everybody is aware of this so I'll mention it.

One of the rules they are playing with is the 10 ball HAS to be the last ball made to win the game.

No early combos or caroms on the 10. If it goes in early, it gets spotted.

 

[Joe_Jaguar]

During the match last night there were a couple times where one or the other would miss a called shot, then the incoming player would make them shoot again. I understand this if they pocketed a ball in an uncalled pocket, but these were just straight up misses. Is this a normal rule or what?

Its an awful "rule" Call shot takes away the supposed luck and two ways, but this goes farther in stopping the player from shooting some agressive offensive shots and leads to more safeties. I guess if you like watching endless safeties it is great. From what I watched of the SBE this year, they had dropped this extra from their call shot rules they used.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Its an awful "rule" Call shot takes away the supposed luck and two ways, but this goes farther in stopping the player from shooting some agressive offensive shots amd leads to more safeties. I guess if you like watching endless safeties it is great. From what I watched of the SBE this year, they had dropped this extra from their call shot rules they used.

Yeah, I didn't get to watch enough of it that I saw a situation that clarified if they were playing the WSR's or the special rules but someone else mentioned this too, that they went to the WPA world standardized rules this year.

 

[cigardave]

I thought there was a good balance displayed last night between offense and defense. I like the rules. No cheap/unintended hooks.

And both Shane and Earl kicked masterfully last night.

 

[houmatroy]

I thought there was a good balance displayed last night between offense and defense. I like the rules. No cheap/unintended hooks.

And both Shane and Earl kicked masterfully last night.

i personally don't like that particular part of the rule...There's too many situations that come up where you can take the 2 way shot whether it's a cut in the side but if u miss u hit it with right speed to go behind a cluster or something...a bank that u only try cuz u know if u miss you'll be safe. and so on and so on.

 

[SeanChamp]

Those are special rules (Grady's rules). The theory is if you miss a shot, your opponent should not be punished (by being hooked etc). He has the option to give it back to you. I think it is a great rule.

The only downside is it takes the 2-way shot out of the game but that IMO that is a small price to pay eliminate a whole lotta luck.

I'm thinking I don't like this rule. If I shoot the 2, which rattles & doesn't fall, and I played the shot to get perfect shape on the 3, which I did, but the cueball is also hidden from the 2, which is still the lowest ball on the table my opponent gets to make me shoot again?

So anytime it's my turn at the table and I don't like the shot available, I just send the opponent back up? Is that right?

 

[cigardave]

I'm thinking I don't like this rule. If I shoot the 2, which rattles & doesn't fall, and I played the shot to get perfect shape on the 3, which I did, but the cueball is also hidden from the 2, which is still the lowest ball on the table my opponent gets to make me shoot again?

So anytime it's my turn at the table and I don't like the shot available, I just send the opponent back up? Is that right?

Yep, that's right.

If he missed his called shot and you don't like the shot you can give it back.

If he calls safe and doesn't mistakenly make a ball, you have to shoot. No give backs there (unless he mistakenly makes a ball).

 

[PoolBum]

So anytime it's my turn at the table and I don't like the shot available, I just send the opponent back up? Is that right?

No, when your opponent calls a safety and doesn't inadvertently pocket a ball you have to shoot.

 

[Pushout]

I'm thinking I don't like this rule. If I shoot the 2, which rattles & doesn't fall, and I played the shot to get perfect shape on the 3, which I did, but the cueball is also hidden from the 2, which is still the lowest ball on the table my opponent gets to make me shoot again?

So anytime it's my turn at the table and I don't like the shot available, I just send the opponent back up? Is that right?

This is meant to do away withe the so-called two-way shot. You either commit to a shot or to a safe. No more "if I miss, you may not have a shot" crap.