Opposite eye dominance problem..Huge..........

lfigueroa said:
OK, we're cool.

Just out of curiosity what poem did the Jesuits have you memorize your freshman year? I have this fantasy where all the Brothers sit around and laugh about what poem they're going to brand each freshman class with because they know, right out of the box, everyone is going to try real hard to get the assignment right and will end up stuck with this hugemongous poem stuck in their head for the rest of their life.

Lou Figueroa
can still recite
"The Cremation of Sam McGee"
by Robert W. service
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Lou,

Actually, I think I may have misspoke. My dad always used to refer to the Jesuits as the ones who ran my highschool and college. However, he might have been mistaken about that. Nonetheless it always stuck in my head. It was another order called the Xaverian Brothers for my high school, and Augustinians in college. No poem memorization I can clearly remember, but I use the term "clearly" loosely ha ha! Jesuits are another Catholic order very much like the Xaverians and the Augustinians. I almost went to BC, so missed the Jesuits by that much.

Nonetheless, it doesn't change my point at all.

Hope we're still cool.

KMRUNOUT
 
Many years ago I took some pool and 3 cushion billiard lessons from a good friend of mine, 3 cushion billiard champion Harry Sims (has passed on to the big room in the sky)
On my first lesson Harry had me hit some balls on a pocket table. He asked me which eye I was using to pick the contact point on the OB. I had never heard of this and replied "I don't know what you are talking about" Harry then got into explaining to me the dominant eye. This is weird because in the past I noticed that it seemed that my eyes were fighting each other to find the contact point on the OB. Thanks Harry.

I have a table at home and began the long training process of training my dominate eye to see the contact point. I started by wearing a patch over my left eye while practicing. Doing this showed me a bunch of flaws with my approach to the shot, proper stance and cue stick alignment while down in the shooting position.

I tried using the placing the cue directly under the chin as outlined in just about every pool training book out there but it just didn't work for me.

Using the dominant eye and placing the cue directly under the right eye (right handed player) and keeping my eyes level has worked for me.

Many sports people are taught to use their dominant eye and so are our military helicopter pilots ( I saw the movie)

I agree with Geno.

Lou, are you the same violin player and 3 cushion player Lou from Cue and Cushion?

Later

John - St. Louis
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Lou,

Actually, I think I may have misspoke. My dad always used to refer to the Jesuits as the ones who ran my highschool and college. However, he might have been mistaken about that. Nonetheless it always stuck in my head. It was another order called the Xaverian Brothers for my high school, and Augustinians in college. No poem memorization I can clearly remember, but I use the term "clearly" loosely ha ha! Jesuits are another Catholic order very much like the Xaverians and the Augustinians. I almost went to BC, so missed the Jesuits by that much.

Nonetheless, it doesn't change my point at all.

Hope we're still cool.

KMRUNOUT
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The Xaviers are cool -- I think they taught at my grammar school in San Francisco.

Lou Figueroa
 
One Pocket John said:
Many years ago I took some pool and 3 cushion billiard lessons from a good friend of mine, 3 cushion billiard champion Harry Sims (has passed on to the big room in the sky)
On my first lesson Harry had me hit some balls on a pocket table. He asked me which eye I was using to pick the contact point on the OB. I had never heard of this and replied "I don't know what you are talking about" Harry then got into explaining to me the dominant eye. This is weird because in the past I noticed that it seemed that my eyes were fighting each other to find the contact point on the OB. Thanks Harry.

I have a table at home and began the long training process of training my dominate eye to see the contact point. I started by wearing a patch over my left eye while practicing. Doing this showed me a bunch of flaws with my approach to the shot, proper stance and cue stick alignment while down in the shooting position.

I tried using the placing the cue directly under the chin as outlined in just about every pool training book out there but it just didn't work for me.

Using the dominant eye and placing the cue directly under the right eye (right handed player) and keeping my eyes level has worked for me.

Many sports people are taught to use their dominant eye and so are our military helicopter pilots ( I saw the movie)

I agree with Geno.

Lou, are you the same violin player and 3 cushion player Lou from Cue and Cushion?

Later

John - St. Louis
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No, that's Louie Camporous (sp?) the Violin Player (I beat him at 3C once and he would never play me again.) I knew Harry, too -- he could do some amazing things on a billiard table. Know Tom the Tool Man, The Professor, Stanley the Judge (rip), and the rest of the 3C bunch. I'm Lou the 1pocket player, down at The Break.

Lou Figueroa
 
You must be very strong dominant.

One Pocket John said:
Many years ago I took some pool and 3 cushion billiard lessons from a good friend of mine, 3 cushion billiard champion Harry Sims (has passed on to the big room in the sky)
On my first lesson Harry had me hit some balls on a pocket table. He asked me which eye I was using to pick the contact point on the OB. I had never heard of this and replied "I don't know what you are talking about" Harry then got into explaining to me the dominant eye. This is weird because in the past I noticed that it seemed that my eyes were fighting each other to find the contact point on the OB. Thanks Harry.

I have a table at home and began the long training process of training my dominate eye to see the contact point. I started by wearing a patch over my left eye while practicing. Doing this showed me a bunch of flaws with my approach to the shot, proper stance and cue stick alignment while down in the shooting position.

I tried using the placing the cue directly under the chin as outlined in just about every pool training book out there but it just didn't work for me.

Using the dominant eye and placing the cue directly under the right eye (right handed player) and keeping my eyes level has worked for me.

Many sports people are taught to use their dominant eye and so are our military helicopter pilots ( I saw the movie)

I agree with Geno.

Lou, are you the same violin player and 3 cushion player Lou from Cue and Cushion?

Later

John - St. Louis
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For years I thought i shot with only one eye. My dominant eye and this seemed to work until I got RK surgery to correct the vision in my one eye.

The doc told me that he would fix one eye so I could see far away and he would leave the other one the way it was so I could read with it.

When I went back to the table I felt like when I cut a ball to the right that the shot was not very clear. When i cut a ball to the left it was clear as a bell.

I knew what was up right away. i could see now that when I cut a ball to the right it was my right eye that actually decided how much of the CB was going to hit the OB. And to the left it was the left eye.

This was the beginning of Perfect Aim. And learning exactly how the eyes worked so I could tweak my own aim to the absolute limits.

There is alot more to it but this was the start.

And John, if you can put a patch over one eye and shoot the same as far as seeing the shot you are maybe one of these one eyes wonders and maybe not.

On a straight in shot just aim the way you normally do. Close one eye and then the other. If you are right there with your right eye in the middle of the cue ball then you are only shooting with your right eye. If this is the case you are one of these one eyed wonders that do only shoot with one eye.

If not you do shoot with the left eye when you cut a ball to the left. It will still feel like you are shooting with the right eye but if you close your right eye you will see that your left eye is right there.

Give me a call sometime John, It will be interesting to see if you are a one eyed player or not.

Looking forward to talking with you.

Thanks Geno...........
 
genomachino said:
For years I thought i shot with only one eye. My dominant eye and this seemed to work until I got RK surgery to correct the vision in my one eye.

The doc told me that he would fix one eye so I could see far away and he would leave the other one the way it was so I could read with it.

When I went back to the table I felt like when I cut a ball to the right that the shot was not very clear. When i cut a ball to the left it was clear as a bell.

I knew what was up right away. i could see now that when I cut a ball to the right it was my right eye that actually decided how much of the CB was going to hit the OB. And to the left it was the left eye.

This was the beginning of Perfect Aim. And learning exactly how the eyes worked so I could tweak my own aim to the absolute limits.

There is alot more to it but this was the start.

And John, if you can put a patch over one eye and shoot the same as far as seeing the shot you are maybe one of these one eyes wonders and maybe not.

On a straight in shot just aim the way you normally do. Close one eye and then the other. If you are right there with your right eye in the middle of the cue ball then you are only shooting with your right eye. If this is the case you are one of these one eyed wonders that do only shoot with one eye.

[If not you do shoot with the left eye when you cut a ball to the left. It will still feel like you are shooting with the right eye but if you close your right eye you will see that your left eye is right there.]

Give me a call sometime John, It will be interesting to see if you are a one eyed player or not.

Looking forward to talking with you.

Thanks Geno...........
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As the afflac duck would say"ruhhhhh"
 
Gene,

I want to thank you for spending time with me last night (over 30 minutes) on the phone. As I told you I am right handed with a left eye dominance. Your suggestions on how to move my head in the standing pre shot position to keep my left eye in line with the shot have been very helpful. I tried your suggestions for a couple of hours today and find that I am much better on the cuts shots to the right. It was very interesting to see how much I could be "off" by letting my right eye take control of the aim without my even knowing that it was happening. I think you have something that is very unique for the cross dominant eye pool player and I thank you for sharing it with me. I look forward to you next DVD.

Thanks again for the totally free advise. There are very few (actually only two that I know) instructors who are willing to give their phone numbers out on AZ and tell people to call them for free help.

Thanks Again,

Frank
 
Suggestions please ! I am right handed with right master eye except when using firearms; then I can be ambidexterious. I recently had interocular lense replacement in both eyes resulting in:
Right eye adjusted for distance vision.
Left eye adjusted for close vision.
Left eye changed to master eye.
Left eye out of focus at full length of table, right eye in focus but ball is fuzzy.
Shooting left handed cannot focus on ball with left eye and must use right eye; no depth perception.
I have tried three sets of glasses with no success; usually results in double vision with fuzzy balls. I have been told this could be corrected by having the lense in left eye changed for distance vision which would require glasses for short vision. Also I consider another surgery cost prohibitive as well as the risk being a 70 year old diabetic.
I know this sounds strange but it is fact. Any suggestion would be GREATLY appreciated.
 
Gene,
Don't let the naysayers get you down. Their only enjoyment in life, seems to be, trying to destroy someone else's livelihood.

You're stronger than most of the professional players that come on AZBilliards by putting up with the naysayers and I hope you never leave. It's a pain to put up with the little Chihuahua's nipping at your heels but there's not much you can do. Glad to see you're still hanging in there.

BTW,
LOUISIANA'S BEST POOL PLAYER says you have great information about the dominant eye thing. He is a student of the game and plays like burning hell. He has only read your posts and never seen your Perfect Aim video. He likes what you have to say. :bow-down:

Don't let the rest of these clowns drag you down.

JoeyA
 
I had simular surgery.

SuzieQ said:
Suggestions please ! I am right handed with right master eye except when using firearms; then I can be ambidexterious. I recently had interocular lense replacement in both eyes resulting in:
Right eye adjusted for distance vision.
Left eye adjusted for close vision.
Left eye changed to master eye.
Left eye out of focus at full length of table, right eye in focus but ball is fuzzy.
Shooting left handed cannot focus on ball with left eye and must use right eye; no depth perception.
I have tried three sets of glasses with no success; usually results in double vision with fuzzy balls. I have been told this could be corrected by having the lense in left eye changed for distance vision which would require glasses for short vision. Also I consider another surgery cost prohibitive as well as the risk being a 70 year old diabetic.
I know this sounds strange but it is fact. Any suggestion would be GREATLY appreciated.
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Hi there SuzieQ,

I had eye suregery where they only fixed my left eye for distance. This way I could have me close vision with the right eye for reading.

Once I had the surgery and went to the table i found out that when i cut a ball to the right that it was my right eye that was doing the aiming.

This was the whole start of Perfect Aim.

When I shot any shot to the right the shot looked fuzzy. It is not possible to shoot this shot with the left eye unless you only shoot with that eye.

I called the doc up and told him i had a tourny to win that weekend and that I needed the other eye fixed.

He did and I won the tourny at Black Bear casino.

So you are just the opposite. You should be able to see the shot pretty clear when you cut to the right, it's to the left that it should look fuzzy to you.

The solution is to get the other eye fixed for distance also.

Open and close an eye while you are down on the shot and you will see for yourself that what I say is true.

You'll have to wear glasses for reading though. I do.

No this is not strange and I understand because i went through the whole thing.

Sorry your having the trouble. I'm diabetic also.

Good luck............
 
JoeyA said:
Gene,
Don't let the naysayers get you down. Their only enjoyment in life, seems to be, trying to destroy someone else's livelihood.

You're stronger than most of the professional players that come on AZBilliards by putting up with the naysayers and I hope you never leave. It's a pain to put up with the little Chihuahua's nipping at your heels but there's not much you can do. Glad to see you're still hanging in there.

BTW,
LOUISIANA'S BEST POOL PLAYER says you have great information about the dominant eye thing. He is a student of the game and plays like burning hell. He has only read your posts and never seen your Perfect Aim video. He likes what you have to say. :bow-down:

Don't let the rest of these clowns drag you down.

JoeyA
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Of course you're right, Joey. We should buy the $25 chalk without questioning what we're getting for our money; buy all the latest training aids, books, DVDs, and lessons without wondering whether they make sense; and sign up for whatever the telemarketer is selling all because to do otherwise would interferer with someone making a buck.

Kinda makes you wonder who the real clown is ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Of course you're right, Joey. We should buy the $25 chalk without questioning what we're getting for our money; buy all the latest training aids, books, DVDs, and lessons without wondering whether they make sense; and sign up for whatever the telemarketer is selling all because to do otherwise would interferer with someone making a buck.

Kinda makes you wonder who the real clown is ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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Finally, you're agreeing with me. :rolleyes: I knew you would eventually come to your senses. :cool:
 
lfigueroa said:
Of course you're right, Joey. We should buy the $25 chalk without questioning what we're getting for our money; buy all the latest training aids, books, DVDs, and lessons without wondering whether they make sense; and sign up for whatever the telemarketer is selling all because to do otherwise would interferer with someone making a buck.
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That is funny.
 
I have a strong message.........

JoeyA said:
Gene,
Don't let the naysayers get you down. Their only enjoyment in life, seems to be, trying to destroy someone else's livelihood.

You're stronger than most of the professional players that come on AZBilliards by putting up with the naysayers and I hope you never leave. It's a pain to put up with the little Chihuahua's nipping at your heels but there's not much you can do. Glad to see you're still hanging in there.

BTW,
LOUISIANA'S BEST POOL PLAYER says you have great information about the dominant eye thing. He is a student of the game and plays like burning hell. He has only read your posts and never seen your Perfect Aim video. He likes what you have to say. :bow-down:

Don't let the rest of these clowns drag you down.

JoeyA
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Hi there Joey,

I knew this was the reason so many players were missing so many balls even back in the early 90's.

I really didn't want to show too many players back then because I was trying to beat everyone.

Just like so many players today. This is so strong they don't want the competition to know this. It will get them beat.

I see it all the time how much better these players here in the Twin Cities are playing because of learning how this all works.

Your friend down there in your state there plays at the level he is at because of what he knows and his passion for the game. And the 2 together and it spells champion.

You can't have one without the other. Passion and knowledge if you want to be a champion.

I will teach this until the day I die. I believe in it, it is the way it is, and I can't think of any better way to help the game of pool than to help players enjoy the game they love by helping them play better.

The best day of my life is....... When I can teach a player something he has never seen before and he can almost immediately see how much this will help him.

A big smile comes across his or her face and I can hear the word WOW coming from their brain even though they havn't spoken a word.

This my friend is a wonderful thing.
 
lfigueroa said:
Of course you're right, Joey. We should buy the $25 chalk without questioning what we're getting for our money; buy all the latest training aids, books, DVDs, and lessons without wondering whether they make sense; and sign up for whatever the telemarketer is selling all because to do otherwise would interferer with someone making a buck.

Kinda makes you wonder who the real clown is ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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Too many testimonials about how good Gene's info is to pass on his offer of free phone calls.
 
lfigueroa said:
It looks like at least one clown has spent too much time in the Fun House Hall of Mirrors.

Lou Figueroa
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You Naysayers still have enough clowns left to start their own circus. You can call it Cirque du Mannequins. :D :winknudge:

JoeyA
 
Thanks Gene!

I spoke to Gene on the phone yesterday for approximately 15 minutes. I have been playing pool off and on for about 25 years. I am right handed and left eye dominant. I have struggled getting my eyes in the right position forever. In the last two weeks I finally felt like my eyes were where they should be on cuts to the right, but my cuts to the left were off. After two hours of practicing what I talked to Gene about on the phone. I can say I am making alot more shots and my position on the next ball is better since I am actually hitting the first shot how I am suppose too. People are always going to disagree, but how can you say getting your eyes in the right position wont help you pocket more balls. If you don't agree set up a few shots and move your head on every shot you shoot so your eyes are not in the same position. See if you pocket balls on a consistant basis. Anyway enough rambling. Thanks abunch Gene and hope to meet you in Vegas at the BCA's.
 
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