Diamond ProAm vs. Brunswick Gold Crown

9' Diamond ProAm vs. 9' Brunswick Gold Crown

  • Brunswick Gold Crown

    Votes: 224 48.6%
  • Diamond Pro Am

    Votes: 226 49.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 11 2.4%

  • Total voters
    461
I think that it is noteworthy that a players history with one table or another can shape the view of that player. I have been playing now for going on 15 years, and most of those years have been spent on a Diamond.

Now, I'm not contradicting you here, as opinions are just that, but observe the reasons that I prefer Diamonds:

Grew up playing on Diamond
Diamonds seem to be better balanced, and certainly more sturdy than GC's
Asthetically superior...approaching iconic, at least in the tournament room
Lots of these tables out there in tourneys and new pool halls

LOL, very clever :-)

I guess the asthetics come down to whether you lean towards the Washington monument or Rodin.
 
I prefer "yada, yada, yada." I wonder what other people prefer. Maybe we should....

I think it's important to get the differences out there, so people can make informed decisions.

An accurate set of differences.

I couldn't care less what people buy or what their preferences are. To each their own. Make up your own mind, and I'll make up mine. I'm not going to do that w/o understanding all the detailed differences...it's reckless. If you want to pick a table w/o understanding the full set of tradeoffs because you like the color of one table over the other, go for it...I'm not stopping you.

My Pro-Am may never get here, so it seems I have a lot of time to decide.



Mark
 
It was just a little humor, not intended to deride your thread. I do think this is a good thread, which can provide some worthwhile information to anyone currently trying to make this decision. I was confronted with the same decision a couple of years ago, so I know that there is some good info here.

My decision was made by the near impossibility of getting a Pro-Am into my pool room. If not for that, there might likely be one sitting where the GC is now.
 
Hehe, I like the blonde vs brunette comment above. If you like blondes more and some smoking hot brunette came up to you in a bar and said "take me home and do things to me that you thought were illegal" would you turn to her and say "sorry, I prefer blondes."?

Regardless, my question would be... if money wasn't an issue, and you had a great mechanic, is there any reason why you couldn't make a Diamond play like a GC or vice versa? If pocket size, cushion types, rail designs, etc. are the arguments ... can't those all be changed on any table? Yes it might take money, but couldn't you have the look you wanted and the play you wanted on either table?

I would especially love to see RKC's reply to this question, as he seems to be able to work miracles. Of course, I may be asking the age old question of "If God is all powerful and He can do anything, can He create a rock so big that even He can't move it?" :grin:
 
I think it's important to get the differences out there, so people can make informed decisions.

An accurate set of differences.

I couldn't care less what people buy or what their preferences are. To each their own. Make up your own mind, and I'll make up mine. I'm not going to do that w/o understanding all the detailed differences...it's reckless. If you want to pick a table w/o understanding the full set of tradeoffs because you like the color of one table over the other, go for it...I'm not stopping you.

My Pro-Am may never get here, so it seems I have a lot of time to decide.



Mark
You'll get your ProAm...next week, I'm leaving for Portland Monday morning...but, Classic Billiards is going to get their 3 7fts first, as that lightens my load by 3,000 lbs, then your table gets installed, then off to Coos Bay for the last table drop off. Right now...we're waiting on the table owner up north in Bellingham to get his money together for his delivery & setup...so I can finish that job and head south.;)
 
Hehe, I like the blonde vs brunette comment above. If you like blondes more and some smoking hot brunette came up to you in a bar and said "take me home and do things to me that you thought were illegal" would you turn to her and say "sorry, I prefer blondes."?

Regardless, my question would be... if money wasn't an issue, and you had a great mechanic, is there any reason why you couldn't make a Diamond play like a GC or vice versa? If pocket size, cushion types, rail designs, etc. are the arguments ... can't those all be changed on any table? Yes it might take money, but couldn't you have the look you wanted and the play you wanted on either table?

I would especially love to see RKC's reply to this question, as he seems to be able to work miracles. Of course, I may be asking the age old question of "If God is all powerful and He can do anything, can He create a rock so big that even He can't move it?" :grin:

Yes, I can take any table built and redesign it to play better than factory...the bigger question is....if there's already a table that is being built to fill that void...then what am I doing...as I can only work on one table at a time....so, how much effect can I really have on the market place?
 
I like the rail & pocket design on the diamond. It is so much easier shooting off of a flat rail. Your cue doesn't slap the rail and mess up your stroke. The pocket castings in the GC V are much improved but still not flush, again making it harder than it needs to be for the player.
 
Why are there eight holes in the center?

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Very interesting. The screws on the side are always accessible, right? Picture is worth a thousand words..now what order does one go about leveling from each position?

Now, would be interesting to compare to the Pro-Am. Anyone have photos of the Pro-Am leveling system for 1-piece (oversized) slate?

And, to be true to the thread, the leveling system on the GC V?


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Yes, I can take any table built and redesign it to play better than factory...the bigger question is....if there's already a table that is being built to fill that void...then what am I doing...as I can only work on one table at a time....so, how much effect can I really have on the market place?

Well, that is our two different worlds. You have concerns regarding the entire marketplace and the impact you can have for the industry. What I was asking was, if I liked the look of a certain table more, I bet you could make it play exactly as I wanted. You are in it for the industry, I would be in it for myself. The original question was "If you had the money to buy one and only one table AND keep that table for your pool playing lifetime, what would you buy?" My thoughts regarding that question, not worrying about industry impact, was that with a great mechanic you can make any table play exactly as you want ... hence brand choice in this case would come down to cosmetics. Yes, I understand it would cost way more to purchase and/or retrofit table X to make it play a certain way, my only point was that "if you had the money" (as phrased by the OP), you could set up the table that you liked to play however you wanted provided a great mechanic.
 
Well, that is our two different worlds. You have concerns regarding the entire marketplace and the impact you can have for the industry. What I was asking was, if I liked the look of a certain table more, I bet you could make it play exactly as I wanted. You are in it for the industry, I would be in it for myself. The original question was "If you had the money to buy one and only one table AND keep that table for your pool playing lifetime, what would you buy?" My thoughts regarding that question, not worrying about industry impact, was that with a great mechanic you can make any table play exactly as you want ... hence brand choice in this case would come down to cosmetics. Yes, I understand it would cost way more to purchase and/or retrofit table X to make it play a certain way, my only point was that "if you had the money" (as phrased by the OP), you could set up the table that you liked to play however you wanted provided a great mechanic.

Yes, I agree with you 100%
 
Yes, I agree with you 100%

The design and construction of the table will affect the way the table RETAINS whatever magic Glen does. A good example is the leveling systems that come out of alignment and do not lock...another example is the mass of the table and the leg orientation and it's impact on the retention of level.
 

How many leveling points on the GC V? Looks like about 22, hard to tell...

Btw, the vertical thickness of the slate support looks nice and strong? (although, much larger holes) Is that MDF? Wonder what the Diamond frame looks like?
 
I wouldn't say substantially more, but more...Consider dealer discounts on Brunswick, and delivery cost on Diamond...It quickly makes it much closer.

$4900 + $1500 (delivery) = $6400 for Diamond
$10k (GCV) - $2500 (dealer discount) + $0 delivery = $7500
...or something like that.

Are these prices correct? I was under the impression that the Gold Crowns were upwards of $14,000.
Also It says that the ProAm has to be installed on the ground level,my question is for extra delivery $ is it possible to have it installed in the basement?
 
Are these prices correct? I was under the impression that the Gold Crowns were upwards of $14,000.
Also It says that the ProAm has to be installed on the ground level,my question is for extra delivery $ is it possible to have it installed in the basement?

Nah, on Brunswick's website a new GC5 is at around $10K. Of course, that probably doesn't include shipping, but I'm also sure you can get the table for less than that - just not if you buy it online from Brunswick.

http://www.brunswickbilliards.com/catalog/pool-tables/gold-crown-v.html
 
Are these prices correct? I was under the impression that the Gold Crowns were upwards of $14,000.
Also It says that the ProAm has to be installed on the ground level,my question is for extra delivery $ is it possible to have it installed in the basement?

Roadking
The question is whether the table can be physically installed into the basement. The design of the ProAm (one piece slate etc.) requires specific space clearences.

jim
 
This was close for me i like both tables, but i chose Diamond Pro am they where made close to where i used to live so im a little biased or just loyal. everybody in new albany in/ louisville ky played on diamonds before they blew up they always knew they were good tables,
But now there made in jeffersonville.
 
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