Slow play in one pocket and how to handle it.

I don't know JoeyA except from what I've read of his posts. Knowing that he plays in some of the high-powered tournaments, I can only surmise that Joey must be a good player.

IMHO, good players ALWAYS want to figure out how to win or what they could do different to have won. I think that one-pocket brings out the worst of the slow-mo players, but they are there in every game. Now days, most tournaments have a shot clock/slow play rule except for one hole. A good player wants to be prepared and have ways to handle the situation.

I dislike posts like that from Vagabond where he says, "I not only not play with them but also avoid any socialization with them. There are still openings for US Open one pocket.I am not entering the tournament because there are no rules against the slow players."

Why are you letting the possibility of slow players infringe on your tournament choice? Why don't you take it as a challenge to be conquered instead of just giving up?

I read all these posts about quitting, don't play the guy, etc...I don't think that is the point of the OP. To me, the point is, "What can I do to get me back on my game to be able to win in this situation?" It is more about trying to figure a way to win against a good, irritatingly slow player.

As pointed out by Black-Balled, "Dunno, but I can tell you what doesn't work: speeding yourself up to balance it out." That is oh so true.

Winston846 says, "Just deal with it and don't let it bother you. If you're opponent knows it's getting to you, he'll probably play even slower. He is, after all trying to win your money, so he'll exploit any advantage he can find."

Those are easy words to say and difficult to put into action. I too, would be interested in how others "deal with it". I have my way and it works for me except when I can't justify playing a long session. What is the mindset used to "deal with it"? What is the mindset you use so it doesn't bother you?

In re-reading his OP, JoeyA did figure out a way to win/get even. It involved doubling the stakes. Joey, is that the only change you made? What else did you do to get back to even? How did your mindset change? When the money went up, did your concentration level go up?

Sorry if I've stepped on some toes here. I'm just not big on quitting or not playing. To me, that's just another excuse for losing. I hate losing more than I like winning.

Jay,
We were playing for 40 a game. It's what my opponent asked to play for. He was putting me to sleep with his slow play and it showed in my game. Even though it took a few hours for him to win 3 games, I still don't like losing and I don't like giving in to playing poorly because of what someone else is doing. I don't mind losing if the other person plays better than I am capable of doing.. well, I still don't like losing but what I'm really trying to say is that I hate playing poorly and losing. I consider breaking even against a tough opponent a good day and a win a good day any day.

While I was playing and losing, bored out of my mind, disgusted more by the minute I realized that I had the power to change what I was doing and could do nothing about what he was doing. If I complained I could be considered a sore loser and I'm not that so I didn't want to whine and complain because he was otherwise a really nice guy to play. As I stood there watching him play so slowly, I had been thinking that I can beat this guy and then my thoughts went to.....well YOU'RE NOT WINNING....duh. In fact, you are losing your dough. I had been dissing this guy's game all the while he was beating on me and that made me laugh at myself. So I decided that he was three games up or maybe four, I asked him to raise the bet to 60 and he quickly agreed. I then decided that I didn't want to lose my dough any longer and I had to respect his game and play to win, whatever it took. I started taking more time to see what I could do to improve my level of play. I started paying more attention to the game and trying to stay competitive in the game rather than sitting on my high horse, whining to myself about how this guy plays so slow and thinking that he doesn't play any better than I do. I simply started playing better pool, make smarter decisions. I accepted the fact that he was a slower than normal player. That's about all I got.....

Still looking for ideas on how to deal with slow play and not let it get the best of you. ?????

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
Jay,
We were playing for 40 a game. It's what my opponent asked to play for. He was putting me to sleep with his slow play and it showed in my game. Even though it took a few hours for him to win 3 games, I still don't like losing and I don't like giving in to playing poorly because of what someone else is doing. I don't mind losing if the other person plays better than I am capable of doing.. well, I still don't like losing but what I'm really trying to say is that I hate playing poorly and losing. I consider breaking even against a tough opponent a good day and a win a good day any day.

While I was playing and losing, bored out of my mind, disgusted more by the minute I realized that I had the power to change what I was doing and could do nothing about what he was doing. If I complained I could be considered a sore loser and I'm not that so I didn't want to whine and complain because he was otherwise a really nice guy to play. As I stood there watching him play so slowly, I had been thinking that I can beat this guy and then my thoughts went to.....well YOU'RE NOT WINNING....duh. In fact, you are losing your dough. I had been dissing this guy's game all the while he was beating on me and that made me laugh at myself. So I decided that he was three games up or maybe four, I asked him to raise the bet to 60 and he quickly agreed. I then decided that I didn't want to lose my dough any longer and I had to respect his game and play to win, whatever it took. I started taking more time to see what I could do to improve my level of play. I started paying more attention to the game and trying to stay competitive in the game rather than sitting on my high horse, whining to myself about how this guy plays so slow and thinking that he doesn't play any better than I do. I simply started playing better pool, make smarter decisions. I accepted the fact that he was a slower than normal player. That's about all I got.....

Still looking for ideas on how to deal with slow play and not let it get the best of you. ?????

Thanks,
JoeyA

Joey,

Good mindset change. You quit thinking in the negative and started thinking in the positive. You got there by being brutally honest with yourself and evaluating what you were doing. That is huge in my book.

That "high horse" problem is one that I've contended with. It initially crept up on me at the first "Last Call for 9-ball" tournament in Atlantic City. I'm up 8 to 3 in a race to 11 and dry break. My opponent has an open table but elects to play a safe. It was a good one and I foul. He fouled me out that game...and the next one.

Meanwhile, I was thinking, "Nobody can beat me 8 games to my 3." The next game he kept me kicking and while he didn't foul me out, he did win the game. 8 to 6 and now, I'm getting just a tad of nerves...but...I'm still thinking, "No one can beat me...blah..blah..blah."

Before my opponent breaks the next rack, he decides to take a bathroom break. While he was gone, an older gentleman, sitting in the bleachers across the aisleway, taps me on the shoulder. He says, "Man, if someone was playing me that way I'd be pissed. Are you getting pissed?" I replied that I wasn't but thought about what he said. I was actually a little put off that someone would talk to me while I was in a match.

Why wasn't I pissed? My opponent changed his tactics from playing not-winning pool to winning pool and I was just playing helpless pool letting him dictate the game. My attitude changed, I got down off the horse and I got new resolve to beat this style of play. I was not going to lose to this.

He comes back, breaks and makes a ball. Once again the rack is pretty open but he plays safe. My only hit is a 2-rail kick hitting the end rail and side rail. This time though, instead of trying to just make the hit, my attitude had changed to hitting the good side of the ball for a return safe. Also, the good side of the ball would also give me a chance of making it.

I made the kick and with this new resolve and concentration ran out and then put a two pack on him for the win.

I shook my opponents hand and turned to find the guy in the audience to thank him. He was gone and I never saw him again. I don't know if he was a great, wise, hard knocks player giving me advice in a round-a-bout way or was just taking a break from the casino. I like to think the former but whatever he was, it was his question that turned the match around for me.

From what I read from your post. For me, it was the high-horse thinking that was causing you to lose. The slow-play was just the side excuse for that thinking.

Not only did I learn a new tactic for play, one that I have used, more importantly, I learned the same things that you just posted.
1) Anyone can beat me at any time. Don't take anything for granted.
2) Work every single shot WITH CONFIDENCE and RESOLVE.
3) Close out the match when it's there to do.
4) I can only control my part of the game. I can't control my opponent.
5) Self-pissiness is a good thing and can keep me grounded.
6) I hate losing more than I like winning.

I haven't thought about that story for years and it was probably one of the most important lessons I ever had in this game.

Thanks for sharing your in depth thinking. I hope the stories help other players with thinking problems. We don't get to see enough of these kind of threads.

Good shooting and keep hitting them well JoeyA.
 
"F" the High Horse!

Joey,

Good mindset change. You quit thinking in the negative and started thinking in the positive. You got there by being brutally honest with yourself and evaluating what you were doing. That is huge in my book.

That "high horse" problem is one that I've contended with. It initially crept up on me at the first "Last Call for 9-ball" tournament in Atlantic City. I'm up 8 to 3 in a race to 11 and dry break. My opponent has an open table but elects to play a safe. It was a good one and I foul. He fouled me out that game...and the next one.

Meanwhile, I was thinking, "Nobody can beat me 8 games to my 3." The next game he kept me kicking and while he didn't foul me out, he did win the game. 8 to 6 and now, I'm getting just a tad of nerves...but...I'm still thinking, "No one can beat me...blah..blah..blah."

Before my opponent breaks the next rack, he decides to take a bathroom break. While he was gone, an older gentleman, sitting in the bleachers across the aisleway, taps me on the shoulder. He says, "Man, if someone was playing me that way I'd be pissed. Are you getting pissed?" I replied that I wasn't but thought about what he said. I was actually a little put off that someone would talk to me while I was in a match.

Why wasn't I pissed? My opponent changed his tactics from playing not-winning pool to winning pool and I was just playing helpless pool letting him dictate the game. My attitude changed, I got down off the horse and I got new resolve to beat this style of play. I was not going to lose to this.

He comes back, breaks and makes a ball. Once again the rack is pretty open but he plays safe. My only hit is a 2-rail kick hitting the end rail and side rail. This time though, instead of trying to just make the hit, my attitude had changed to hitting the good side of the ball for a return safe. Also, the good side of the ball would also give me a chance of making it.

I made the kick and with this new resolve and concentration ran out and then put a two pack on him for the win.

I shook my opponents hand and turned to find the guy in the audience to thank him. He was gone and I never saw him again. I don't know if he was a great, wise, hard knocks player giving me advice in a round-a-bout way or was just taking a break from the casino. I like to think the former but whatever he was, it was his question that turned the match around for me.

From what I read from your post. For me, it was the high-horse thinking that was causing you to lose. The slow-play was just the side excuse for that thinking.

Not only did I learn a new tactic for play, one that I have used, more importantly, I learned the same things that you just posted.
1) Anyone can beat me at any time. Don't take anything for granted.
2) Work every single shot WITH CONFIDENCE and RESOLVE.
3) Close out the match when it's there to do.
4) I can only control my part of the game. I can't control my opponent.
5) Self-pissiness is a good thing and can keep me grounded.
6) I hate losing more than I like winning.

I haven't thought about that story for years and it was probably one of the most important lessons I ever had in this game.

Thanks for sharing your in depth thinking. I hope the stories help other players with thinking problems. We don't get to see enough of these kind of threads.

Good shooting and keep hitting them well JoeyA.

This is the kind of thinking that I like to hear from pro players when I sit in the booth to do commentary. I make attempts to get them comfortable to talk about what they are thinking in difficult situations of times past.

Thanks for your thoughts. I see that we have similar paths.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA the solution maybe is for you to join APA. After you have scored and coached a few matches where a race to 3 8ball takes 2hrs you will be wishing you could get back to 50 a game bunting. Im not joking either about the time. I watched back to back 90 and 120 min races to 3 two weeks ago. We started at 730 and it was 11pm before the 3rd match started. I wanted to stab myself in the ear with the pen it was so brutal.
 
If I can reach...

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddy the beard
Here are some rules I copyrighted in an attempt to stop those who love to drag games on and on.
Go to this link and scroll down the page to my Speedo One Pocket Rules.
http://bankingwiththebeard.com/?p=354

Beard
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article, thanks for sharing.

This was far and away my favorite line:

"Next, make peace with the horror and then look for the positive elements."

...even only one person, that makes it all worthwhile.

Beard
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freddy the beard
Here are some rules I copyrighted in an attempt to stop those who love to drag games on and on.
Go to this link and scroll down the page to my Speedo One Pocket Rules.
http://bankingwiththebeard.com/?p=354

Beard

...even only one person, that makes it all worthwhile.

Beard

Freddy has some of the best advice about one pocket that you will find anywhere on his website and much of it is free of charge.

I guess his providing some free gems of advice on his website is kind of like leaving a long, straight in shot for his opponent, a reward ratio type thing. I got a kick out of the photo of Artie Bedendorfer. definitely a 60's kind of guy... :)
 
shifting gears

Joey,

I'm very late to this thread and have only read the last page. You and several others I believe have already found the answer, shift gears in the chair! I'm sure you have read about Old Joe teaching me that a handful of times over the years I have been on AZB. He owned me for months just by being naturally slower moving and shooting than a glacier at his age and me being young and impatient. I proved I was superior on the table as soon as I learned to calm down in the chair. Until then he beat me like a rented mule.

Either do something constructive like you discovered while sitting in your chair or kick it out of competitive high gear and become a mildly interested observer like I do. Anything at all is better than chomping at the bit and on the edge of your seat(two metaphors, one sentence!:D ) waiting to get back to the table. It makes it even worse if you are adding emotional baggage about your opponent while waiting.

Back to the same old thinking as in tournament play. Your opponent is just an obstacle between you and your goals. Find the way to get past the obstacle to achieve your goal with the least effort. That is true if the goal is winning a tournament or a bet. No reason to get upset about their style of play unless it is contrary to the rules. Even then best to deal with things as calmly as possible.

Hu
 
Thanks!

Long time lurker here that rarely posts, but I wanted to chime in and say thanks for this thread.

Wags/JoeyA: Thanks for the great question and all the great insight you two have provided!

-Cliff

Joey,

Good mindset change. You quit thinking in the negative and started thinking in the positive. You got there by being brutally honest with yourself and evaluating what you were doing. That is huge in my book.

That "high horse" problem is one that I've contended with. It initially crept up on me at the first "Last Call for 9-ball" tournament in Atlantic City. I'm up 8 to 3 in a race to 11 and dry break. My opponent has an open table but elects to play a safe. It was a good one and I foul. He fouled me out that game...and the next one.

Meanwhile, I was thinking, "Nobody can beat me 8 games to my 3." The next game he kept me kicking and while he didn't foul me out, he did win the game. 8 to 6 and now, I'm getting just a tad of nerves...but...I'm still thinking, "No one can beat me...blah..blah..blah."

Before my opponent breaks the next rack, he decides to take a bathroom break. While he was gone, an older gentleman, sitting in the bleachers across the aisleway, taps me on the shoulder. He says, "Man, if someone was playing me that way I'd be pissed. Are you getting pissed?" I replied that I wasn't but thought about what he said. I was actually a little put off that someone would talk to me while I was in a match.

Why wasn't I pissed? My opponent changed his tactics from playing not-winning pool to winning pool and I was just playing helpless pool letting him dictate the game. My attitude changed, I got down off the horse and I got new resolve to beat this style of play. I was not going to lose to this.

He comes back, breaks and makes a ball. Once again the rack is pretty open but he plays safe. My only hit is a 2-rail kick hitting the end rail and side rail. This time though, instead of trying to just make the hit, my attitude had changed to hitting the good side of the ball for a return safe. Also, the good side of the ball would also give me a chance of making it.

I made the kick and with this new resolve and concentration ran out and then put a two pack on him for the win.

I shook my opponents hand and turned to find the guy in the audience to thank him. He was gone and I never saw him again. I don't know if he was a great, wise, hard knocks player giving me advice in a round-a-bout way or was just taking a break from the casino. I like to think the former but whatever he was, it was his question that turned the match around for me.

From what I read from your post. For me, it was the high-horse thinking that was causing you to lose. The slow-play was just the side excuse for that thinking.

Not only did I learn a new tactic for play, one that I have used, more importantly, I learned the same things that you just posted.
1) Anyone can beat me at any time. Don't take anything for granted.
2) Work every single shot WITH CONFIDENCE and RESOLVE.
3) Close out the match when it's there to do.
4) I can only control my part of the game. I can't control my opponent.
5) Self-pissiness is a good thing and can keep me grounded.
6) I hate losing more than I like winning.

I haven't thought about that story for years and it was probably one of the most important lessons I ever had in this game.

Thanks for sharing your in depth thinking. I hope the stories help other players with thinking problems. We don't get to see enough of these kind of threads.

Good shooting and keep hitting them well JoeyA.
 
Long time lurker here that rarely posts, but I wanted to chime in and say thanks for this thread.

Wags/JoeyA: Thanks for the great question and all the great insight you two have provided!

-Cliff

No, No, No...Thank you. It's always nice to be heard.
 
I dont play 1 pocket *too slow for me* but I was playing a tournament once and I used this exact line "I know you're a good guy and all but if you dont play faster I am going to light myself on fire"
 
I dont play 1 pocket *too slow for me* but I was playing a tournament once and I used this exact line "I know you're a good guy and all but if you dont play faster I am going to light myself on fire"

:D Did he then immediately begin to play s-l-o-w-e-r ? :D lol
 
:D Did he then immediately begin to play s-l-o-w-e-r ? :D lol

Fortunately he played a touch faster, I think he understood that he was being excessively slow.

There was a player who said from another table "I'll know what to do to you" I quickly replied "Dont worry, I'll just run out against you" ;)

Playing another slow player one time, I said "If I took as long as you, Id never miss!" (I play really fast)
 
Fortunately he played a touch faster, I think he understood that he was being excessively slow.

There was a player who said from another table "I'll know what to do to you" I quickly replied "Dont worry, I'll just run out against you" ;)

Playing another slow player one time, I said "If I took as long as you, Id never miss!" (I play really fast)

Yeah, we have two players here that play so fast, they make coffee nervous. lol
 
I have a ipod and god it helps ..
I have someone in my room does that same and i love that ipod ...
 
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