The Stroke Thread
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I am glad you have facts but I haven't seen anyone apply them when arguing in this thread. Please incorporate your facts and references into a discussion that people can debate, otherwise you just posted about visiting other sites. Make your case and debate it if you can.
I already did dude!!!!
There is NNOOO SUCCHH thing as a straight shot........
It can appear straight but even if it is off just a hair, imperceivable to the human eye, and you hit hard, the CB will divert along the tangent... that is what your are describing or swiping to cause squirt and change the angle is what you are describing.....
You are not stroking it special or anything, you are hitting it off center. If you hit the CB at the OB dead center, with no sidespin, it will stop DEAD, come straight back, go straight forward....PERIOD!!!!!!
Jaden
There is NNOOO SUCCHH thing as a straight shot........
It can appear straight but even if it is off just a hair, imperceivable to the human eye, and you hit hard, the CB will divert along the tangent... that is what your are describing or swiping to cause squirt and change the angle is what you are describing.....
You are not stroking it special or anything, you are hitting it off center. If you hit the CB at the OB dead center, with no sidespin, it will stop DEAD, come straight back, go straight forward....PERIOD!!!!!!
Jaden
This whole thread can be debated on the forum for months with nothing being resolved. It can be debated on a pool table, and be put to rest very quickly.
Steve
justnum - how flat is your world?
It is locally flat and in a global context it is a curved surface. Knowing when to shift between the two is important for different fields of study.
Future strokes I am going to discuss are the strokes that are for small amounts of CB motion. Some people think a quick hit works, others a soft stroke and some a light tap I will discuss the effects of each at a later time and which method works best for certain situations.
This forum limits our debate to a written argument and some video.
I'd post the video if I thought helpful, but most times people can imagine or have seen what is being discussed and can recall it without a visual aid.
I will say this, and then I will quietly retreat from this thread.
You only need one stroke. It needs to be smooth, it needs to move the cue stick forward in a straight line, and it should not be decelerating until after the cue ball and tip have separated. The only thing that needs to change is the speed of the forward motion, and the point where the tip contacts the cue ball.
Most players are looking for consistency. One way to move toward that goal is to have a consistent repeatable stroke.
Steve
You only need one stroke. It needs to be smooth, it needs to move the cue stick forward in a straight line, and it should not be decelerating until after the cue ball and tip have separated. The only thing that needs to change is the speed of the forward motion, and the point where the tip contacts the cue ball.
Most players are looking for consistency. One way to move toward that goal is to have a consistent repeatable stroke.
Steve
Turns out my Daddy was good friends with some guy named Newton.
One time when I was a little boy, I thought it would be funny to sneak up behind my dad and tickle him on his waist..........the result was him giving me an inadvertent peoples elbow to the forehead...
When he turned around he said...."Son....always remember....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
It is really just that simple as it applies to the draw stroke. :wink:
One time when I was a little boy, I thought it would be funny to sneak up behind my dad and tickle him on his waist..........the result was him giving me an inadvertent peoples elbow to the forehead...
When he turned around he said...."Son....always remember....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
It is really just that simple as it applies to the draw stroke. :wink:
Still Schroedinger's Cat....
Schroedinger's Cat is in a box, not me. It's a famous quantum physics explanation written to Einstein from Schroedinger. It was a inside joke to Bob Jewett. And my humility is reflected by my wording part of my post as a question. And I do use chalk. You seem a little confrontational. Sorry you don't understand my humor.
Schroedinger's Cat is in a box, not me. It's a famous quantum physics explanation written to Einstein from Schroedinger. It was a inside joke to Bob Jewett. And my humility is reflected by my wording part of my post as a question. And I do use chalk. You seem a little confrontational. Sorry you don't understand my humor.
Wrong......what the problem is you have not train yourself to see when and when not a shot is straight. There are straight shots in pool.
Here's a drill to try. The object is to do a stop shot, have the 1 ball go down and back off the rail and hit the CB,square. If you think you are a straight shooter...try this little drill.
As a extra challenge, hit with enough speed just that the 1 ball comes back and barely hits the CB.
Then add distance between the CB and 1 ball.
There is no such thing as only one stroke in pool. You even admit this in around about way by stating that the speed of the stroke changes, which means then there is no one stroke at all.
Also, the length of follow through can vary based on the shot being done. This requires a different stroke.
It maybe simpler to teach one stroke, but in reality there is no such thing. Now all strokes may contain the same concepts as being able to stroke straight not matter what the body postion or cue postion maybe.
My one handed stroke is different than my shooting off the rail stroke.
Consider how the bow is used in playing a violin or cello. There is not one way they bow. They use the bow as needed to produce the music wanted.
They play with their whole body, moving it as needed based on the music being played.
Same idea applies to the stroke in pool. There is not one stroke, but a endless variety of strokes to be used and only limited by the user.
I agree with all your succinct, well written posts....
Since I have agreed with every single post I have ever seen you post, I will continue to agree about contact time being 1 to 2 1000ths of a second. Can anyone agree with me that 2 is double what 1 is? My only point is that contact time is not an absolute constant. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with justnum.
Since I have agreed with every single post I have ever seen you post, I will continue to agree about contact time being 1 to 2 1000ths of a second. Can anyone agree with me that 2 is double what 1 is? My only point is that contact time is not an absolute constant. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with justnum.
A different speed or length of followthrough is not a "different stroke" as it's being suggested by justnum. Neither of these differences changes how the stroke affects the cue ball in any fundamental way, as justnum claims to be able to do.
pj
chgo
Sure, but it's still too small a time to be able to change the predetermined outcome of your stroke. That's still all determined before the tip touches the ball.
pj
chgo