"Records are made to be broken". I do not care what kind of table it is. I don't see anyone one breaking Mosconi's record. That's one of the reasons in my opinion that he is the greatest player of all times.
In a "Old School" kind of way, I hope it never gets broken.
I respectfully disagree. I think the equipment and conditions do matter. I don't think even Mosconi would have been able to run 526 on a pro-cut Diamond. There's certain shots you can play where you can cheat the pocket and get away with on a Brunswick but not a Diamond. Plus, at 4 7/8", Mosconi had a much larger margin for error.
I think it should be attempted on the same conditions Mosconi had. To me, that's only fair.
I respectfully disagree. I think the equipment and conditions do matter. I don't think even Mosconi would have been able to run 526 on a pro-cut Diamond. There's certain shots you can play where you can cheat the pocket and get away with on a Brunswick but not a Diamond. Plus, at 4 7/8", Mosconi had a much larger margin for error.
I think it should be attempted on the same conditions Mosconi had. To me, that's only fair.
So your saying same old school table felt, cues, balls, etc? I think that would be a little eccentric. The same way that every sport has evolved through time with equipment and techniques, pool does as well. Golf's longest drive contest doesn't say, "OK, in order to break the record, you have to use the same equipment they had, and the wind has to be the same speed and direction, etc." Its absurd to think that.
Myself I think that there are a few capable of beating it, and they should if they are capable. Babe Ruth's record was broken and he isn't thought of any less, even though the guys that beat it had a distinct advantage, better equipment, longer seasons, etc.
Man, I Love This Game!
Carl
I respectfully disagree. I think the equipment and conditions do matter. I don't think even Mosconi would have been able to run 526 on a pro-cut Diamond. There's certain shots you can play where you can cheat the pocket and get away with on a Brunswick but not a Diamond. Plus, at 4 7/8", Mosconi had a much larger margin for error.
I think it should be attempted on the same conditions Mosconi had. To me, that's only fair.
this is a moot point and a tiresome argument. all world records have equipment differences, weather related differences, et.... by comparison; a basketball record for the most baskets sunk in a single game would have to be broken with the exact same players at the exact same age with the same crowd, on the same court, otherwise everyone would say; "sure but he did it against the worst team in the NBA..." the same goes with baseball records, golf and all sports. the variables are too great to emulate so fergeddaboutit... furthermore; mosconi made that run as part of his daily ritual, not 'on cue' with video running. therefore the basis of this event with four "swings of the bat" adds greatly to the degree of difficulty.... they may for 'shits and grins' call it "Beat or Match Mosconi's Record" but really, it's just a fun event.
the record will likely be beaten but in the same way mosconi made his record. on a lazy day when a top player is pushing balls around and everything is going his way....
This is an interestingly tough issue and one that highlights the vagueness of our sport and contributes to making life miserable for serious pool players and confusing to non-players. When the 100 yard dash changed to 100 meters; the 100 yard records were retired, never to be broken again. So what do we have:
3.5 x 7 tables
4 x 8 tables
4.5 x 9 tables
5 x 10 tables
Mali 80/20 cloth
Simonis cloth
Brunswick tables
Diamond tables
4-1/2” pockets
4-3/4” pockets
4-7/8” pockets
5” pockets
Should each set of variables have its own high run record? With just the 12 named variables above, that’d be 144 different high run records. That’s a bit much. I’d say the high run on each of the table sizes should be recognized and that’s it. The other variables are all situational. Mosconi didn’t set out to set the record on a 4 x 8 with 4-7/8” pockets. He didn’t practice for months on that particular table lengthening his runs until he popped a 526. It just happened to be the table he was performing an exhibition on on that particular evening.
In my record book:
3.5 x 7 high run record = ?
4 x 8 high run record = Willie Mosconi
4.5 x 9 high run record = ?
5 x 10 high run record = Joe Balsis
Ron F
Meant to say Caras, not Balsis. Balsis was on my mind because I was just talking about him yesterday.
Ron F
this is a moot point and a tiresome argument. all world records have equipment differences, weather related differences, et.... by comparison; a basketball record for the most baskets sunk in a single game would have to be broken with the exact same players at the exact same age with the same crowd, on the same court, otherwise everyone would say; "sure but he did it against the worst team in the NBA..." the same goes with baseball records, golf and all sports. the variables are too great to emulate so fergeddaboutit... furthermore; mosconi made that run as part of his daily ritual, not 'on cue' with video running. therefore the basis of this event with four "swings of the bat" adds greatly to the degree of difficulty.... they may for 'shits and grins' call it "Beat or Match Mosconi's Record" but really, it's just a fun event.
the record will likely be beaten but in the same way mosconi made his record. on a lazy day when a top player is pushing balls around and everything is going his way....
And exactly what are you trying to say here?
i'm trying to say exactly what i said. do you no speaky ingleesh?