Kamui chalk for sale

1 square inch

I don't know about everyone else but get real 25.00 for a one square inch of chalk. what is it carbon fiber dust???? Is this for real... ??? I understand R&D costs there proly trying to recoup. but come on i wish kamui would let me know why???? Did it take 50k to come up with this chalk? I need an explanation before i am paying 25.00.... How about hey we cam up with a great product But were in the hole 50k. 6 cube for 25.00 to let us recoup our expenses. Don't tell me it cost more that a dollar to make a cube of chalk... I use there tips and which they are great ... But get real you people have to be nutz to pay 25.00 unless im missing something here...
 
TheThaiger said:
Thanks for that. One question - how do you know when to rechalk?
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I played league last night and chalked once before every game. I certainly don't think I needed to since I had warmed up for awhile before having chalked only once, but I thought I would be sure for each game.

Chalking is a part of my pre-shot routine. Every shot. Last night, nearly every shot I reached for chalk. I left the Kamui where I was sitting and set the table chalk by the corner pocket. It didn't throw my game off, but will take awhile to get used to.

Here are some before and after pictures taken a few minutes ago.

Just chalked:
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After 45-50 shots:
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Here's what it looks like brand new:
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Here's what it looks like after some use. Still light blue, but dark blue where it has contacted a tip.
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flips said:
this is absurd.

how to soak the public and get rich*

1. company releases a dubiously high-priced product.
2. conducts a marketing campaign aimed at convincing the general public - impressed by flashy things, bold claims, pretty girls, etc. and utterly unknowing that correlation does not imply causation - that they should get themselves soaked for the company's benefit.
3. company uses profits from soaking public to get famous pretty people to sponsor their dubiously priced product.
4. company soaks more people.
5. company becomes leading sponsor in the field they intend to further soak.
6. company uses money to design newer, better, and usually more expensive product.
7. repeats step 2-5.
8. repeats step 6.
9. ad infinitum?

*at any and all points of this profiteering cycle, paid representatives along with unpaid company glad-handers respond to any and all criticism of the company's predatory business practices by referencing page 666 in the modern business and marketing textbooks which is of this basic form:
a. mentions that this is the way a free market works - infer that dissenters are communists.
b. "in the past...some [predatory product] was priced high...now everyone buys it..."
c. more choices = good; technology & innovation = good - an opinion passed off as a truism
d. level ad hominem attacks against dissenters - usually insulting their lack of wealth and buying power.
e....
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Are you talking about that Apple company? If so, I agree.
JoeyA
 
Kamui, the Apple of the pool world!

If that is the case though, there will be several million of us clamouring for Kamui chalk v1.0 next year at a higher price!
 
If you are able to create a high and somewhat exclusive demand for a consumable product like pool chalk or cigars, then you are likely VERY savvy. You certainly don't luck into them.

I can count a good number of examples in the cigar world. The perfect example is Fuente Opus X line of cigars.

Check out the price for one Opus X A cigar... it's only $79.95!!! And how much do you think that it cost the Fuente family to grow that tobacco and make the cigar? My guess is not a helluva lot more than it takes them to make a $4.00 cigar.

You first establish your brand identity. Then you market a brand new product within that brand. Next you set a ridiculous price point for that new product. And next you create a false demand by not producing the product in ANY quantity that comes close to satisfying that demand. And you continue to ride that ship as far as it will take you.

IMO, Kamui is trying to do the exactly the same thing in the chalk world that the Fuente family has done in the cigar world.
 
@ cigardave, I agree with what you are saying. There is a difference in the two though. A cigar is like a fine wine. You are going to pay for the name and quality. Fine cigars and wines are enjoyed by connoisseurs who can usually afford the steep pricing.

Now, for pool. Yes most of us are connoisseurs in a sense. We enjoy nice equipment, rooms and even chalk. But, if KAMUI was really trying to help the pool world like some say, they would market their product so the majority of pool players could afford to buy a cube and stay focused on their match rather than loosing their chalk. Yes, there are some pool players out there that don't mind the cost, but most of us are hard working average Joes who wouldn't think of paying $25 for a cube of chalk.

JMO Jason
 
cigardave said:
If you are able to create a high and somewhat exclusive demand for a consumable product like pool chalk or cigars, then you are likely VERY savvy. You certainly don't luck into them.

I can count a good number of examples in the cigar world. The perfect example is Fuente Opus X line of cigars.

Check out the price for one Opus X A cigar... it's only $79.95!!! And how much do you think that it cost the Fuente family to grow that tobacco and make the cigar? My guess is not a helluva lot more than it takes them to make a $4.00 cigar.

You first establish your brand identity. Then you market a brand new product within that brand. Next you set a ridiculous price point for that new product. And next you create a false demand by not producing the product in ANY quantity that comes close to satisfying that demand. And you continue to ride that ship as far as it will take you.

IMO, Kamui is trying to do the exactly the same thing in the chalk world that the Fuente family has done in the cigar world.
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I agree 100 percent with you Dave. They make a very limited amount of the chalk in order to make it look like there is a high demand for the chalk. The majority of people buy Kamui chalk is the people that are curious because of the newness. Once the newness wears off there will not be a demand for it.
 
jason777r said:
@ cigardave, I agree with what you are saying. There is a difference in the two though. A cigar is like a fine wine. You are going to pay for the name and quality. Fine cigars and wines are enjoyed by connoisseurs who can usually afford the steep pricing.

Now, for pool. Yes most of us are connoisseurs in a sense. We enjoy nice equipment, rooms and even chalk. But, if KAMUI was really trying to help the pool world like some say, they would market their product so the majority of pool players could afford to buy a cube and stay focused on their match rather than loosing their chalk. Yes, there are some pool players out there that don't mind the cost, but most of us are hard working average Joes who wouldn't think of paying $25 for a cube of chalk.

JMO Jason
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You seem to be mixing the two different "issues" here. Kamui's chalk (and how much it costs) and/or whether they are trying to help the pool world.

Kamui is sponsoring tournaments (and streams!!!) when many other pool-related companies are not. That is "helping" the pool world. They are invested in the people that they want to purchase their products. Again, many other pool-related companies are not "helping" the pool world.

That has no relationship whatsoever with how much they charge for their products. "Helping" the pool world doesn't have to have anything to do with subsidising the chalk business for players.

If you aren't interested in what their new chalk can do for you, there are many alternatives, prices starting at FREE. No one is forcing anyone to purchase Kamui chalk, and by marketing their chalk like they are, there will be no resulting shortage of other chalk for you to use.

Why the hostility towards a company that is active in promoting our sport?

I don't drive a Lexus, I drive a beat up 11 year old sedan. That doesn't make me think any less of Lexus. I drink Budweiser, that doesn't make me think any less of Sam Adams charging for a 6-pack what I can get an 18-pack of Bud for.

I haven't, and probably won't pay $25 for a cube of chalk. But I don't hold it against Kamui for trying to make a niche product offering work for those who are interested in it.

Thanks for promoting our sport, Kamui.
 
Scott Lee said:
8&snap...I don't know about being the dumbest, but I DO know that Sam Walton is the DEADEST billionaire in the world! :D LOL

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Dead and still richer then anyone on this forum & getting richer due to the fact he cant spend it.By the way,i spoke to Burnie Madof & he said he helped with the marketing of this chalk.
 
justadub said:
You seem to be mixing the two different "issues" here. Kamui's chalk (and how much it costs) and/or whether they are trying to help the pool world.

Kamui is sponsoring tournaments (and streams!!!) when many other pool-related companies are not. That is "helping" the pool world. They are invested in the people that they want to purchase their products. Again, many other pool-related companies are not "helping" the pool world.

That has no relationship whatsoever with how much they charge for their products. "Helping" the pool world doesn't have to have anything to do with subsidising the chalk business for players.

If you aren't interested in what their new chalk can do for you, there are many alternatives, prices starting at FREE. No one is forcing anyone to purchase Kamui chalk, and by marketing their chalk like they are, there will be no resulting shortage of other chalk for you to use.

Why the hostility towards a company that is active in promoting our sport?

I don't drive a Lexus, I drive a beat up 11 year old sedan. That doesn't make me think any less of Lexus. I drink Budweiser, that doesn't make me think any less of Sam Adams charging for a 6-pack what I can get an 18-pack of Bud for.

I haven't, and probably won't pay $25 for a cube of chalk. But I don't hold it against Kamui for trying to make a niche product offering work for those who are interested in it.

Thanks for promoting our sport, Kamui.
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Well, maybe if the rest of the pool related industries price gouged and forced and MSRP like Kamui they could sponser more. I do agree with you that they do a good job of sponsoring. All I'm saying is, it seems like a crappy way to do business. It's freaking chalk:scratchhead:
 
justadub said:
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I don't drive a Lexus, I drive a beat up 11 year old sedan. That doesn't make me think any less of Lexus. I drink Budweiser, that doesn't make me think any less of Sam Adams charging for a 6-pack what I can get an 18-pack of Bud for.
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justadub:

For the most part, I agree with you. But, while your car analogy works, the beer analogy doesn't. For one thing, I don't know of any place that charges for a 6-pack of Sam what one could get an 18-pack of Budweiser for (were you thinking bottles of Sam vs. cans of Bud or something?). Second, there's not only a built-in quality difference between the two, but it also speaks to the person's preference in beer. Some like a good beer and enjoy the beer because of its superior taste; others just want the beer for "something to drink" -- like a slightly alcoholic version of carbonated water.

This doesn't compare well to the Kamui vs. other brands of chalk argument, because chalk is not a "life enjoyment" or "life experience" product like beer, wine, scotch, cigars, cars, stereo equipment, et al. Chalk is just a tool. Nobody looks at or judges the player by the chalk they use -- only how that player *plays*. However, you *are* viewed and judged by the type of "life enjoyment" products you enjoy, like it or not. When I see someone enjoying a nice glass of chianti, swirling the glass and checking for certain characteristics, I get a different mental picture of that person than of the guy chugging a can of -- I hate to say it -- Budweiser, belching, and then crushing the can afterwards. Like it or not, unfortunately.

Anyway, I hope this helps clarify,
-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
justadub:

For the most part, I agree with you. But, while your car analogy works, the beer analogy doesn't. For one thing, I don't know of any place that charges for a 6-pack of Sam what one could get an 18-pack of Budweiser for (were you thinking bottles of Sam vs. cans of Bud or something?). Second, there's not only a built-in quality difference between the two, but it also speaks to the person's preference in beer. Some like a good beer and enjoy the beer because of its superior taste; others just want the beer for "something to drink" -- like a slightly alcoholic version of carbonated water.

This doesn't compare well to the Kamui vs. other brands of chalk argument, because chalk is not a "life enjoyment" or "life experience" product like beer, wine, scotch, cigars, cars, stereo equipment, et al. Chalk is just a tool. Nobody looks at or judges the player by the chalk they use -- only how that player *plays*. However, you *are* viewed and judged by the type of "life enjoyment" products you enjoy, like it or not. When I see someone enjoying a nice glass of chianti, swirling the glass and checking for certain characteristics, I get a different mental picture of that person than of the guy chugging a can of -- I hate to say it -- Budweiser, belching, and then crushing the can afterwards. Like it or not, unfortunately.

Anyway, I hope this helps clarify,
-Sean
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LOL, Well I'm about to have some "life enjoyment" drinking my liter of Bud and 1P. Cheers
 
sfleinen said:
justadub:

For the most part, I agree with you. But, while your car analogy works, the beer analogy doesn't. For one thing, I don't know of any place that charges for a 6-pack of Sam what one could get an 18-pack of Budweiser for (were you thinking bottles of Sam vs. cans of Bud or something?). Second, there's not only a built-in quality difference between the two, but it also speaks to the person's preference in beer. Some like a good beer and enjoy the beer because of its superior taste; others just want the beer for "something to drink" -- like a slightly alcoholic version of carbonated water.

This doesn't compare well to the Kamui vs. other brands of chalk argument, because chalk is not a "life enjoyment" or "life experience" product like beer, wine, scotch, cigars, cars, stereo equipment, et al. Chalk is just a tool. Nobody looks at or judges the player by the chalk they use -- only how that player *plays*. However, you *are* viewed and judged by the type of "life enjoyment" products you enjoy, like it or not. When I see someone enjoying a nice glass of chianti, swirling the glass and checking for certain characteristics, I get a different mental picture of that person than of the guy chugging a can of -- I hate to say it -- Budweiser, belching, and then crushing the can afterwards. Like it or not, unfortunately.

Anyway, I hope this helps clarify,
-Sean
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Your help is always appreciated, Sean. I'll play along.

Tools... Snap-On charges more for their tools than Sears does for Craftsman, but they (generally) get the same job done. Same with Black and Decker vs Dewalt/Milwaukee/etc.

Basic a/v cables from Wal-Mart will do the same general job as the ones from Monster. (most people would never see any performance difference.) You can buy a cheapy pre-paid cell phone and make just as many calls to people as you can with the latest greatest iPhone. Hell, the newer prepaid phones will let you do data, too.

So far as being judged by the product they enjoy using, you're right, no one makes that judgement regarding chalk yet. Though one might argue the point a bit when discussing this with those knowledgable enough to understand that the player who sets down his Blue Diamond chalk on the table, and then remembers it and grabs it back quickly...

You can take that "tool" analogy and apply it the same with any other sort of pool equipment, if you like. Any of a number of custom or high-end production sneakys vs basic lower-end production cues. They both get the job done, simple tools.

(And yes, my Bud/Sam Adams pricing was probably reflecting Bud cans vs Sammy bottles.... :p And I like Sam Adams just fine, too. Bud, as well.)

I don't understand why there is such a major issue with Kamui trying to create a niche market for chalk. I do understand that the price is off-putting to many, including myself. What I don't get is the anger at Kamui for daring to try it. And the accusations of price gouging... Apple has done the same thing for a generation with it's price-structure. Where is the furor?
 
sfleinen said:
Chalk is just a tool. Nobody looks at or judges the player by the chalk they use -- only how that player *plays*. However, you *are* viewed and judged by the type of "life enjoyment" products you enjoy, like it or not. When I see someone enjoying a nice glass of chianti, swirling the glass and checking for certain characteristics, I get a different mental picture of that person than of the guy chugging a can of -- I hate to say it -- Budweiser, belching, and then crushing the can afterwards. Like it or not, unfortunately.
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I don't see how your exception applies to chalk. It certainly applies to cues, and I see no reason why someone that knew about chalk wouldn't apply the exact same pre-conceived notions towards someone using a high priced item in the same vein people pre-dispose against other high priced items.
 
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