Marty Herman

[JB Cases]

I'm sorry John but you have it wrong. When I received the email from Marty this morning I simply stated that I didn't want to sell him the cue because of his reputation. The exact wording was "sorry but I do not want to sell you this cue because your reputation precedes you.

And you thought what would happen? So you know the guy's rep and you rub his face in it and you expected what? That he would reply with something like, "I see, sorry you feel that way, have a nice day." ????

Within minutes I received the response I posted in the first post of this thread. In hindsight I should have just ignored him but seeing as how he tried to rob a friend (see cuemaker03's post in this thread) several years ago I wanted to let him know that treating people like that doesn't go un-noticed.

Oh I see, so you figured that you'd get a little revenge by antagonizing him and then publishing the results. Well good job, you succeeded in telling us what we already know.

Regardless of how you feel about me, I try to treat people honestly and fairly which is why I stood up initially for tasaddics in the counterfeit thread.

Like you treated Matt Carter, the general manager of Sterling Gaming, fairly and honestly by calling him a liar? Which by the way you have not yet apologized for. You're an instigator that's all.

As I have told you more than once now, I did not post after it was proven that the case in question was indeed counterfeit thread but yet you still felt it necessary to leave me a neg rep.

You got negative rep because your initial post was asinine. Do I care that you slunk away once MORE evidence came out that Jason Lee was indeed a thief? The fact is that you acted hypocritically and by your own admission you are still acting like a hypocrite.

I'm curious how many people you left a negative for that basically did the same thing I did and stick up for a long standing member before the truth came out. It's kind of funny, I received a positive rep for that same post. I wonder why that was?

Only you got a negative rep from me because you started in with the calling Matt and Sterling liars. You introduced that negativity plus the big red herring about the brand name. And do I care if some other numbnuts who likes thieves gave you positive rep? So what? I don't care if you got a 1000 positive reps for it. You got a red rep from me because I felt that your post deserved it. And what did you do, you whined to me about it and asked me why I red repped you. Then you cried about my answer.

If you were an honorable man, you would have considered seining me a pm asking me to retract the post but no, you have to send me a bunch of pm's acting like a little child and leave me a neg rep.

Oh, so you receiving extra information and directing you contact myself or Matt wasn't enough for you to, oh I don't know, may CONTACT us to get the rest of the story???? And please get your story straight. I red repped you and THEN you contacted me. Not the other way around.

Oh, and you're right, I typed the wrong thing. You did not send me emails, you sent me pm's. My mistake but you did send me about 6-7 in less than an hour. Three of which were continued into each other because you were ranting so long.

I answered your questions. Here is the whole thing in case you don't remember: http://forums.azbilliards.com/blog.php?b=521

And yes, I did send the first pm to you right after I had discovered that you left me the neg rep. I asked you why you felt it necessary to leave me the neg rep.

And I answered you. And your attitude about it and complete lack of sense as to how you were wrong in this situation is why I have zero sympathy for you having to endure Marty Hermann's attacks. You could have chosen to ignore Marty's email or found another way to decline dealing with him but you went out of your way to instigate him. So don't cry when he does what you expected him to do.

 

[Monstermash]

And you thought what would happen? So you know the guy's rep and you rub his face in it and you expected what? That he would reply with something like, "I see, sorry you feel that way, have a nice day." ????




Oh I see, so you figured that you'd get a little revenge by antagonizing him and then publishing the results. Well good job, you succeeded in telling us what we already know.



Like you treated Matt Carter, the general manager of Sterling Gaming, fairly and honestly by calling him a liar? Which by the way you have not yet apologized for. You're an instigator that's all.




You got negative rep because your initial post was asinine. Do I care that you slunk away once MORE evidence came out that Jason Lee was indeed a thief? The fact is that you acted hypocritically and by your own admission you are still acting like a hypocrite.




Only you got a negative rep from me because you started in with the calling Matt and Sterling liars. You introduced that negativity plus the big red herring about the brand name. And do I care if some other numbnuts who likes thieves gave you positive rep? So what? I don't care if you got a 1000 positive reps for it. You got a red rep from me because I felt that your post deserved it. And what did you do, you whined to me about it and asked me why I red repped you. Then you cried about my answer.



Oh, so you receiving extra information and directing you contact myself or Matt wasn't enough for you to, oh I don't know, may CONTACT us to get the rest of the story???? And please get your story straight. I red repped you and THEN you contacted me. Not the other way around.



I answered your questions. Here is the whole thing in case you don't remember: http://forums.azbilliards.com/blog.php?b=521



And I answered you. And your attitude about it and complete lack of sense as to how you were wrong in this situation is why I have zero sympathy for you having to endure Marty Hermann's attacks. You could have chosen to ignore Marty's email or found another way to decline dealing with him but you went out of your way to instigate him. So don't cry when he does what you expected him to do.

Seriously? You need to get a grip. I never called Matt a liar. I simply asked for proof when none was provided from a member who did not have a long tenure here and seemed like he was jumping the gun a little. Was I the only one who thought this way? No. You have just made it your lifes crusade to make me look bad because I was a little skeptical of a claim that trashed a long standing member. And who is not being honest here. Wasn't it you sending me a bunch of pm's under different screen names?

And you have no sympathy for me? Oh no, what should I do now? Someone who I have zero respect for has no sympathy for me. Not to mention is making himself look pretty bad by sticking up for someone like Marty Herman. I'm curious, are you really Marty? Either way you earned a spot back on my ignore list. Which in itself is comical considering you are the only one on it.

 

[jbravo2984]

U r so full of it. And u r a liar as well. For one thing you never received one email from me. You received some PMs from me, John Barton, AFTER you initiated the contact with a PM of your own. Any PMs you received from any other registered member were not threatening, not harrassing, they were answering your questions that you publicly asked.

You didn't receive ONE SINGLE harrassing PM from me in any way shape or form. Not one.

You can feel free to republish every single PM you got and then you can let the members here judge them against your accusations.

So, since you are the type of person who seems to like to inflame a situation please forgive me if I feel that you probably went out of your way to push Marty's buttons. Not that Marty is blameless and not that he is right in threatening you. But you clearly have issues of your own not the least of which is a very tenuous connection to telling the truth.

You could have simply declined Marty's business in a hundred polite and diplomatic ways that wouldn't have raised his ire towards you. People do this all the time in all sorts of life situations in order to get by peacefully.

But no, knowing of Marty's reputation, you decided to poke the bear and now you are crying when he bites your head off. I am sorry but whose fault is that?

If it were anyone else then I'd be more sympathetic. But you brought this on yourself by your own inappropriate actions. Marty isn't right to go off on you but you weren't right to deliberately antagonize him either.

John,
You're wrong here. I personally had my first communication with Marty at the end of february. He contacted me first. Straight out of the gate, the first time I EVER heard anything from him, he was attacking me, calling me a scam artist who lies and cheats people. Saying that the cue I had for sale (for a friend, it was listed on ebay) was fake, didn't belong to me and I was hiding behind lies that the cue belonged to a friend. He was cussing me up and down.
I posted a new thread on here asking who this person was because it was so shocking. People recognized the username instantly and told me it was him.

JOHN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. Marty Herman is not someone who needs to be antagonized or baited into being a threatening psychopathic creep. He does so willingly and without purpose to people he has never met/talked to.

I understand you may have had positive dealing with him, but as indicated in other posts, Marty won't enter into a hate filled rant fest with people who he views as "worthy" of his politeness... To him, YOU may in fact be one of these people. He would probably never talk like that to Efren or Archer or some of the top players because a friendship with them brings meaning back into his life. The same kind of thing probably goes for you. If the two of you are on good terms, he can name drop. OH! John Barton this and that.... You know what I mean?

To those who may not be as influential as yourself, say... someone like me, Marty will go out of his way to hunt you down on the internet and tell you that you don't deserve to live. He says things like I'm going to shut that mouth of yours with the barrel of a gun. He even claimed in a pm to me that he is the one responsible for cutting Adam Smith's finger off. In the same conversation he said he wanted to piss in my mouth.

ALL OF YOU DEFENDING HIM, UNDERSTAND THIS, IF PEOPLE REPUBLISH HIS WORDS BECUASE THEY FEEL HE IS THREATENING AND UNPREDICTABLE. THEY AREN'T PORTRAYING ANYTHING!

These people are exposing him. They aren't "portraying" him as anything but the JAGBAG he is! Now, if these messages were edited and parts of the conversations with Marty were left out, that would be a portrayal. THESE ARE RAW UNEDITED MESSAGES FROM MARTY HERMAN!
I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE POSTED SOME OF THEM.

 

[JB Cases]

John,
You're wrong here. I personally had my first communication with Marty at the end of february. He contacted me first. Straight out of the gate, the first time I EVER heard anything from him, he was attacking me, calling me a scam artist who lies and cheats people. Saying that the cue I had for sale (for a friend, it was listed on ebay) was fake, didn't belong to me and I was hiding behind lies that the cue belonged to a friend. He was cussing me up and down.
I posted a new thread on here asking who this person was because it was so shocking. People recognized the username instantly and told me it was him.

JOHN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. Marty Herman is not someone who needs to be antagonized or baited into being a threatening psychopathic creep. He does so willingly and without purpose to people he has never met/talked to.

I understand you may have had positive dealing with him, but as indicated in other posts, Marty won't enter into a hate filled rant fest with people who he views as "worthy" of his politeness... To him, YOU may in fact be one of these people. He would probably never talk like that to Efren or Archer or some of the top players because a friendship with them brings meaning back into his life. The same kind of thing probably goes for you. If the two of you are on good terms, he can name drop. OH! John Barton this and that.... You know what I mean?

To those who may not be as influential as yourself, say... someone like me, Marty will go out of his way to hunt you down on the internet and tell you that you don't deserve to live. He says things like I'm going to shut that mouth of yours with the barrel of a gun. He even claimed in a pm to me that he is the one responsible for cutting Adam Smith's finger off. In the same conversation he said he wanted to piss in my mouth.

ALL OF YOU DEFENDING HIM, UNDERSTAND THIS, IF PEOPLE REPUBLISH HIS WORDS BECUASE THEY FEEL HE IS THREATENING AND UNPREDICTABLE. THEY AREN'T PORTRAYING ANYTHING!

These people are exposing him. They aren't "portraying" him as anything but the JAGBAG he is! Now, if these messages were edited and parts of the conversations with Marty were left out, that would be a portrayal. THESE ARE RAW UNEDITED MESSAGES FROM MARTY HERMAN!
I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE POSTED SOME OF THEM.

I understand. I am not defending Marty. I know he is terrible to interact with. Even though I have been lucky in the three dealings we had I have also been on the receiving end of some of his stream rants.

I am just criticizing Monstermash for admittedly and deliberately antagonizing him when Monstermash knew beforehand what his inflammatory remarks would bring.

 

[JB Cases]

Also, you all that are getting harassed by Marty can report him. File a police report. It's against the law to threaten violence over the net and it sounds as if he has taken it way way way over the line especially with the death threats.

If enough of you do this then he will be confronted and charged by the Boston police. You don't have to stand for it.

 

[Bigtruck]

Also, you all that are getting harassed by Marty can report him. File a police report. It's against the law to threaten violence over the net and it sounds as if he has taken it way way way over the line especially with the death threats.

If enough of you do this then he will be confronted and charged by the Boston police. You don't have to stand for it.

No one should be hating on the internet.

Ray

 

[houmatroy]

This will help

Ray

you better keep a copy of that so u can file one afta i beat ur @ss for a Politz dinner :thumbup:

 

[Bigtruck]

you better keep a copy of that so u can file one afta i beat ur @ss for a Politz dinner :thumbup:

Troy,

I updated the link to one that covers different internet crimes including mis-representing yourself by offering to play for Politz.

Ray
shocked

 

[houmatroy]

Troy,

I updated the link to one that covers different internet crimes including mis-representing yourself by offering to play for Politz.

Ray
shocked

Me n my Buddy Tim went 2 nights ago n hit balls at cuesports...gonna be like going outside & finding a free dinner coupon for Politz in da street when we do play..might even have to stream it

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I am just criticizing Monstermash for admittedly and deliberately antagonizing him when Monstermash knew beforehand what his inflammatory remarks would bring.

How did he deliberately antagonize him. Marty apparently doesn't need any help. Anyone who has been in chat on any of the Streams knows what he is like.

MM told him he didn't want to deal with him, totally his prerogative, its his cue.

John, the only reason you're criticizing MM is because you're still in a snit over the counterfeit thread. People are entitled to their opinions, and people are entitled to make mistakes. MM quit posting when he realized that he had made a mistake on that thread.
Carter came on pretty strong without fully explaining what was going on in his first post. MM questioned him on it.
I was thinking the same thing, WTF is he talking about. It wasn't until the thread progressed that the truth came out and things became considerably more clear on who the culprit really was and his crime.

You have to learn to let these kinda of things go JB, you belabor them until you destroy every thread you hop onto or you get banned again.

So basically, you're doing the same to MM that you accused him of doing to Marty. You are deliberately antagonizing him.

How is that proper?

 

[JB Cases]

How did he deliberately antagonize him. Marty apparently doesn't need any help. Anyone who has been in chat on any of the Streams knows what he is like.

MM told him he didn't want to deal with him, totally his prerogative, its his cue.

John, the only reason you're criticizing MM is because you're still in a snit over the counterfeit thread. People are entitled to their opinions, and people are entitled to make mistakes. MM quit posting when he realized that he had made a mistake on that thread.
Carter came on pretty strong without fully explaining what was going on in his first post. MM questioned him on it.
I was thinking the same thing, WTF is he talking about. It wasn't until the thread progressed that the truth came out and things became considerably more clear on who the culprit really was and his crime.

You have to learn to let these kinda of things go JB, you belabor them until you destroy every thread you hop onto or you get banned again.

So basically, you're doing the same to MM that you accused him of doing to Marty. You are deliberately antagonizing him.

How is that proper?

How did he bait him? Well let's see, you know a guy is very prone to going off when you say something negative to him, and even when you don't say something negative.

So instead of just ignoring the initial email or making some other diplomatic (white lie) reason to not deal with him you just punch him in the face with the worst thing about him when telling him you don't want to deal with him.

Um, how is that not baiting the guy?

You all say he's a psycho, ok I will take you at your word and the evidence clearly points to a very disturbed person. So what sense does it make to antagonize someone you know is likely to get totally crazy on you?

I mean at some point common sense says that if a psycho contacts you then don't engage him and if you do then especially not with things that you KNOW will set him off.

To me this isn't a case of Monstermash getting victimized by Marty. Other people have been victimized by him for sure and with no provocation on their part. But Monstermash PROVOKED this outburst when he should have been more prudent and left it alone.

Sorry but if I am dealing with a rabid dog I don't stick my hand out there to see if it will bite.

And yes, I clearly said I have NO SYMPATHY for Monstermash in THIS situation because of how he acted in the other situation. I do have a lot of sympathy for everyone else in this thread who has been on the receiving end of Marty's tirades. And as I said I think that everyone who has received threats should report them. You can don something about it whereas making a thread here does NOTHING. Unless the victims identified actually DO SOMETHING about it.

Marty isn't here, at least not as himself. He doesn't transact on AZB. So BFD about making ANOTHER thread to highlight his nuttiness.

How about this suggestion? Call the police. Report him to Craigslist. I think everyone in America is very sensitive about threats being communicated due to Craigslist ads. Especially in Boston.

Now that advice is for all those who DID NOT invite the harassment. Monstermash was partially complicit because he antagonized someone deliberately knowing full well what sort of response was likely to come of it.

That's my view on it.

And again FOR THE RECORD I am NOT condoning Marty's actions. He deserves to be prosecuted so that he can either be restrained from doing this or forced to get mental help to correct whatever is wrong with him.

 

[bogey54311]

Edited.
Sick of getting harrassed by Marty.

chris

 

[JB Cases]

Harassing, hypocritical posts to a user based on past experiences. If you're going to make an argument, make it fair to all potential parties.

Just received this neg rep - not sure what to make of it? Let's see MM posts a thread complaining about getting insulting messages from a guy he taunted into being insulting.

I wonder if MM would have posted if he had received a PLEASANT reply from Marty?

If Marty had said something like, "I fully understand and my reputation for being a psycho is definitely earned. Thank you for letting me know the reason you choose not to deal with me."

Would MM have posted that?

I bet not.

So I don't understand the make it fair to all potential parties aspect here? Make what fair?

I think that MM INVITED the response he got and chose to express that opinion. I don't think that Marty Hermann's responses to MM is sane but it's certainly not unexpected when MM taunted him into it.

So for those of you who want to send me negative rep I will post your comments here for open discussion. After all that is what MM wanted isn't it? Our opinions on the situation or did he just want to get some sympathy?

 

[evanlockhart]

Marty "Run-On Sentence" Herman

 

[JB Cases]

Seriously? You need to get a grip. I never called Matt a liar. I simply asked for proof when none was provided from a member who did not have a long tenure here and seemed like he was jumping the gun a little. Was I the only one who thought this way? No. You have just made it your lifes crusade to make me look bad because I was a little skeptical of a claim that trashed a long standing member. And who is not being honest here. Wasn't it you sending me a bunch of pm's under different screen names?

And you have no sympathy for me? Oh no, what should I do now? Someone who I have zero respect for has no sympathy for me. Not to mention is making himself look pretty bad by sticking up for someone like Marty Herman. I'm curious, are you really Marty? Either way you earned a spot back on my ignore list. Which in itself is comical considering you are the only one on it.

I am not sticking up for Marty. I am criticizing YOU. Since you are so socially inept I can understand how the difference eludes you.

You weren't being a "little skeptical". Come off the marketing spin. You jumped into a thread where you had ZERO business being in with the sole purpose to trash Matt Carter and Sterling Gaming and me. In the process you chose to defend a THIEF as your platform and so make the thread longer.

Then you received Private Messages explaining the situation to you and instead of following directions to go to the people who had the information you claimed to have wanted you instead continued to defame Matt and INFLAME the situation. Other people did the right thing and contacted who they were directed to contact and dialog ensued that HELPED the situation. Not you though. You continued the attack because you are.......well I really don't have the liberty to use the description I'd like to use so I will leave it to your imagination.

You're an instigator plain and simple with no remorse whatsoever.

Aww, now you go and delete your post. Too late, I already quoted it elsewhere,

This is what you said in response to Matt Carter's initial post warning everyone about the counterfeit cases;

Originally Posted by Monstermash
So you're stating that a member that has over 2200 posts and 54 iTraders at 100% is raffling off fake cases and cues. Come on really?

I don't know the seller but I find your claims difficult to believe. I'm sure it's a mistake if they are indeed fakes. He must have been misinformed by the seller when he purchased them.

Just curious, did you contact the seller and discuss this with him prior to dragging his reputation through the mud? And while we are on the subject of fakes, aren't your cases really just fakes of the original Flowers cases but you seem to think its ok because you call them "tribute" cases? Did you contact anyone associated with the original Flowers cases to get permission to copy his designs?

If you aren't basically calling Matt a liar here then what are you doing? And Just curious but did you bother to contact Matt via PM or me via email before making your inflammatory post and "dragging Sterling through the mud?" Can you say hypocrite?

For everyone else who isn't familiar with this issue, a seller on the raffle section was raffling off counterfeit J.Flowers brand cases. When it was brought to our attention Matt Carter made a post warning everyone that the cases were not real and as such would not be warranteed.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=228081

Monster Mash made the above post AFTER Matt had already answered questions about how we knew that the cases were fake.

This guy is an instigator. If I get an email from someone I don't want to deal with because they are a hassle then I don't answer them. I don't send them an email back that is DESIGNED to enrage them UNLESS I intend to enrage them.

So Marty Herman is a nutjob with serious mental issues. Everyone knows that. So why the need to antagonize him in this situation?

I am not letting you off the hook here MonsterMash. You want sympathy when you caused the problem. That right YOU caused the problem because YOU could have just ignored Marty's email at the very least. Him going off on you in retaliation for what you said to him was a 100% given and yet you act surprised.

 

[JB Cases]

No one should be hating on the internet.

Ray

Are you kidding? The internet was made for hating. Where else can you do all your hating long distance and be read by hundreds to millions?

In the pre-internet days people had to do all their hating in letters to the editor. No one carried on long hate-mail battles and there certainly weren't hate mail circles where everyone and their dog piled on.

We love to hate on everything and everybody. The internet has freed people to express their inner hate without the fear of getting popped in the mouth every time they do it.

Like Carlin said, "we love war because we are good at it". We love to hate because we are good at it.

Anyway, thanks for the link to the Internet Crime Center. Maybe I can use that to report Jason Lee (tasaddicts) for what he has done.

 

[Spider1]

Apparently there is more than one "Marty Herman" out there.


Sheesh, let the out of left field bitterness go people.

 

[JB Cases]

Apparently there is more than one "Marty Herman" out there.


Sheesh, let the out of left field bitterness go people.

If you are referring to me then I don't consider it bitter to out a hypocrite. Monstermash put up his thread warning people about Marty and I am chiming in to warn people about Monstermash.

I consider Marty to be in desperate need of help. He is OBVIOUSLY very ill and the manifestation of his illness is socially disturbing and kind of scary. I consider anyone who taunts him deliberately when they know he is mentally unbalanced to be themselves sociopathic and borderline evil. At best they are socially inept and unable to see their own faux pas.

 

[cuemaker03]

Monster, I take it you will not be attending the Herman University. http://bostonbilliardsupplies.com/

 

[Bigjohn]

Pretty sure him and Roy Malott honed their PR skills together