Hey Everyone.
If my opponent is on two fouls, do I need to tell them in straight pool, like is required for 9ball?
If my opponent is on two fouls, do I need to tell them in straight pool, like is required for 9ball?
3 Fouls in a Row Question
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Yes. You definitely have to.
I recall Hopkins and Ortmann were in a safety battle at the World 14.1 and each were on 2 with Allen shooting first. Oliver didn't inform him he was on 2 so Allen played another safety. There was a brief protest by Oliver followed by Oliver being forced to shoot first or face the penalty (by the ref).
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Thanks, Guys! I read the rules this morning and didn't see it said that, but I admit I was reading a site that wasn't BCA rules.
This happened to me last night, so it's still bitterly fresh on my mind.
This happened to me last night, so it's still bitterly fresh on my mind.
I think it depends on the referee and whether or not there is one for the match. When there is not a referee, then it is up to the players to let each other know, but when there is a designated referee I believe the referee takes care of it.
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Yes, that is correct. BUT...... I do not agree with it at all when it comes to a player telling an opponent that they are on two fouls. That is stupid in my book. It is like telling your opponent to pay attention. If an opponent is not paying attention, it is their own fault. I know it is a rule that one must tell the other that they are on two fouls (In other words: "Baby Sit"). It is not right. It needs to be amended.
Yes, that is correct. BUT...... I do not agree with it at all when it comes to a player telling an opponent that they are on two fouls. That is stupid in my book. It is like telling your opponent to pay attention. If an opponent is not paying attention, it is their own fault. I know it is a rule that one must tell the other that they are on two fouls (In other words: "Baby Sit"). It is not right. It needs to be amended.
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You are right winston,thats the refs call ,but if the ref forgets to tell the on coming player that he is on 2fouls,the other player should speak up,if neither happens and the on coming player is not warned then there will be no 3foul for this inning.
Thanks, Guys! I read the rules this morning and didn't see it said that, but I admit I was reading a site that wasn't BCA rules.
This happened to me last night, so it's still bitterly fresh on my mind.
Trigger, the reason you probably didn't see it is that the notification rule is not written into the straight pool rules but is addressed separately in the rules on fouls because it applies to all games:
Rule 6.14
Only the penalty is addressed in the 14.1 rules. BTW, rule 6.14 states the ref must notify the player but if there is no ref it would be assumed the players are acting as such and therefore it is on the opposing player to notify the other that he is on two.
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Thank you. I didn't notify them til after the third foul. I was like, "uh, that was your third, eeek!" We deducted 15 points, but then the league operator happened to check out the score and my opponent stated he didn't know he was on two, and then we had to reverse it.
Funny thing is, I read our rules for league play this morning and the guy was over 30 minutes late to our match and never contacted me. According to our rules, after 15 minutes with no notification is a forfeit. Not sure what I should do now... it's obviously the next day and last night I actually felt bad to tell him I thought it was a forfeit, even though I thought that was the case.
Ugh.
Guess I can't do anything to get a damn backbone and stand up for myself when the rules are the rules and stop being so damn nice.
Sorry - it was a tough loss last night. Lots going on in the middle of the match.
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Mike, I agree that each player should be aware of the situation on their own, but I think the rule is in place to avoid a dispute. Better to know you're on 2 fouls before the shot is taken then after it. Personally, I think there should be a designated referee for every match. When you're talking about World's, the players shouldn't have to rely on calling fouls on themselves and each other or calling a referee over when there's a dispute. There should be a referee right there to begin with for each and every match.
This is a league I'm referring to, so no refs are available for every match. Otherwise, I refs should be present.
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Yes, I agree that there should be a referee for all Pro tournament matches.
Yes, I do realize that the rule is there to stop disputes. I just hate the thought that I have to baby sit my opponent.
In every sport, the mental part of the game is such an important aspect of winning. Just one mental mistake may cost a player or a team to lose. Why not in pool?
If an opponent made three fouls on me. I know that I can tell them how each foul occurred. If the opponent stated that I was wrong and stated that they did not remember. Then that would be a problem and there would be nothing that I could say or do. We would have to work from there on what they did remember. Maybe only two fouls. (I would be pissed) but would go along with it.
The rules also state: no sharking but it happens so often. As we all have commented on a long Thread about sharking during one of my league matches.
I once played a 9 ball match. My opponent broke and did not make a ball. I had no shot at the 1 ball which was by the lower rail. The music in the place was up real high. I stated: "push" and shot the cue ball (which was at the center of the table) to the opposite end of the table. He jumps up and calls: Foul, stating I did not say "push". Big dispute took place. I later was told from another player, that the guy did that to try to shake me up for the rest of the match. Well, maybe I am rambling but I am just trying to make a point that disputes start so easy when you play those type of players.
Yes, I agree that there should be a referee for all Pro tournament matches.
Yes, I do realize that the rule is there to stop disputes. I just hate the thought that I have to baby sit my opponent.
In every sport, the mental part of the game is such an important aspect of winning. Just one mental mistake may cost a player or a team to lose. Why not in pool?
If an opponent made three fouls on me. I know that I can tell them how each foul occurred. If the opponent stated that I was wrong and stated that they did not remember. Then that would be a problem and there would be nothing that I could say or do. We would have to work from there on what they did remember. Maybe only two fouls. (I would be pissed) but would go along with it.
The rules also state: no sharking but it happens so often. As we all have commented on a long Thread about sharking during one of my league matches.
I once played a 9 ball match. My opponent broke and did not make a ball. I had no shot at the 1 ball which was by the lower rail. The music in the place was up real high. I stated: "push" and shot the cue ball (which was at the center of the table) to the opposite end of the table. He jumps up and calls: Foul, stating I did not say "push". Big dispute took place. I later was told from another player, that the guy did that to try to shake me up for the rest of the match. Well, maybe I am rambling but I am just trying to make a point that disputes start so easy when you play those type of players.
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Mike, actually the problem (at least for you) here is that is a special situation when the game goes without a referee. If there is a ref it is his responsibility and you don't have to baby sit anybody. At the same time I think you agree that you have to keep track of your opp's fouls in order to trap him, right?
But you are not enforced to inform him in presence of a ref.So basically what causes you feeling bad about that rule is not specifically your obligation to baby sit your opponent but the rule which requires the non-shooting player to play ref in case there is no official present.
Hope I didn't sound confusing :embarrassed2:
Let's face it, whether there is a ref or not you are baby sitting. If there is an official overseeing the match, then you'd better be baby sitting the ref to make sure he informs your opponent that he's on two.
Nonetheless, it can be somewhat of an awkward situation. Telling your opponent he's on two right after you've locked him up good is a little like twisting the knife after you stuck it in him. I'll usually say something like "The rules require me to tell you you're on two fouls."
Nonetheless, it can be somewhat of an awkward situation. Telling your opponent he's on two right after you've locked him up good is a little like twisting the knife after you stuck it in him. I'll usually say something like "The rules require me to tell you you're on two fouls."
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I agree completely. It's a two way street. It's in the rules and the gentlemanly thing to do in the abscence of an official, yet you have to come across in a way that isn't misinterpreted as a "shark". It can be a grey area and what you said is probably about the best way to word it.
I just say "You're on two." Who cares how they take it. If someone can't hack it.....don't get stuck on two.
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I care how they take it. I try to comport myself with sportsmanship when I play and if it is as easy as phrasing it in such as way as to not come off wrong then no problem, that's what I'll do.
But I don't think anyone else is under any obligation to handle it differently then I would. That's just the way I would do it.
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Dave, you know sometimes it's strategy to intentionally put yourself on two. But in that case you shouldn't need the other guy to remind you.
After I told the guy he had just committed three fouls in a row he replies, "If I would have known that, I would have shot a dif shot."
Either way, I should have told him he was on two fouls and didn't know I was suppose to. Lesson learned though. Well, many lessons learned from that match. :angry: