Jim Murnak Cue Cases get dramatic price hike on June 30th

[01rkclassic]

So they are charging more than that? With half down? Have they gone through their list and asked everyone on it to send in deposits?

Roy Malott gets criticized for the prices of SW cues on his website and yet it seems as if SW themselves are using his website as a price guide. Am I wrong here? I honestly had no idea what Laurie is charging for new cues. I was under the imporession that a typical six pointer with a couple veneers was around $2300. I paid $1400 for mine in 2003. Laurie did say once that she was not happy getting prices that are a decade old. I guess she adjusted for inflation and what she thinks the market will bear.



Your friend Roy Mallott get critizied becouse when you bring an new unhit S.W. to him,as I did in 2003,your cue is worthless,he tells you there are too many out there and he can only give you what you payed for it,blah blah blah,then he ended up putting my cue on his site on consignment,not letting people know that it was not his cue,when I sold it and told him he listed it as if he had sold the cue,so when you say he owns these cues and he has sold more than anybody I have to call bullshit:thumbup:

 

[01rkclassic]

People are more simpethetic to Jim and Jack becouse they make an American product and charge american money,you make a chinese product and charge american money,they eat steak and your employee's eat fishheads and rice,simple economics as you like to point out,steak cost more than fishheads.

 

[Fatboy]

Here's the deal. I don't make enough on the cases to hire a full time person to help me, so I have to do them myself. I can't make them fast enough by myself, to make them in a timely manner. So I'm stuck in the middle. I have a choice to either quit making cases because of the pressure factor or change the way I work. So, I am choosing to raise the prices to a level not to exceed the value, but enough for me to pay for help. This will go into effect on June 30th. For example, a case that is now $399 will cost
$559. The fact is that I would rather not make them, than be caught in this time and work issue. I like making cue cases and I like making people happy when they finally receive them, but usually until people get their cases they don't realize what they are getting. I will honor the current prices till June 30th, but expect a 3-5 month wait. The new prices will hopefully bring me back to 6 weeks. I'm prepared for any outcome.

Thanks,
Jim Murnak

Here is a move I like and support, most biz people are to secretive about what they are doing and insecure they clamp up and make moves with out a explanation. Jim has balls and brains. He put his biz in the streets, I admire that. I too have always done that, When I was a retailer and people asked me what I paid for something-I told them the truth. Most or the retailers in pool are scared to talk about their cost etc. I never was scared of that. Who works for free?


I dont need a case, I damn near feel like buying one to show support but Jim has enough orders at the moment. And I really dont need a case,


Best of luck, I hope you make a pile of well earned $$, you have always had my respect, and even more now.

best

eric

 

[JB Cases]

So they are charging more than that? With half down? Have they gone through their list and asked everyone on it to send in deposits?

Roy Malott gets criticized for the prices of SW cues on his website and yet it seems as if SW themselves are using his website as a price guide. Am I wrong here? I honestly had no idea what Laurie is charging for new cues. I was under the imporession that a typical six pointer with a couple veneers was around $2300. I paid $1400 for mine in 2003. Laurie did say once that she was not happy getting prices that are a decade old. I guess she adjusted for inflation and what she thinks the market will bear.



Your friend Roy Mallott get critizied becouse when you bring an new unhit S.W. to him,as I did in 2003,your cue is worthless,he tells you there are too many out there and he can only give you what you payed for it,blah blah blah,then he ended up putting my cue on his site on consignment,not letting people know that it was not his cue,when I sold it and told him he listed it as if he had sold the cue,so when you say he owns these cues and he has sold more than anybody I have to call bullshit:thumbup:

I am sorry, what is your problem again? You brought him a cue that he declined to purchase outright but then he goes ahead and put it's on hiw website anyway giving you free promotion, you sell the cue and he lists it as sold. Did he specifically list it as HE sold it?

I have never heard of Roy getting criticized for promoting a person's cue. Maybe that's why he doesn't like to take anything on consignment now, too much drama. Would you care to bet that he owns all the SW cues currently for sale on his site?

I guarantee you that Roy has sold more SW cues than any other single dealer out there with perhaps the only exception being Vince Tedesco. Your consignment cue was the exception rather than the rule. Furthermore I'd be willing to make another bet that at least 95% of the SouthWest cue pictures on Roy's site, probably 100%, are pictures of cues that were in Roy's possession and are images that he took.

I seriously doubt that all the pages and pages of sold cues are just inflated hype. Find me any other dealer online with as many SW cues in stock and ready to ship as Roy has right now. And I haven't even looked lately as to what's there but I bet it's at least ten cues. When I was there a year ago it was 14 on the wall and two in the safe.

 

[Fatboy]

I am sorry, what is your problem again? You brought him a cue that he declined to purchase outright but then he goes ahead and put it's on hiw website anyway giving you free promotion, you sell the cue and he lists it as sold. Did he specifically list it as HE sold it?

I have never heard of Roy getting criticized for promoting a person's cue. Maybe that's why he doesn't like to take anything on consignment now, too much drama. Would you care to bet that he owns all the SW cues currently for sale on his site?

I guarantee you that Roy has sold more SW cues than any other single dealer out there with perhaps the only exception being Vince Tedesco. Your consignment cue was the exception rather than the rule. Furthermore I'd be willing to make another bet that at least 95% of the SouthWest cue pictures on Roy's site, probably 100%, are pictures of cues that were in Roy's possession and are images that he took.

I seriously doubt that all the pages and pages of sold cues are just inflated hype. Find me any other dealer online with as many SW cues in stock and ready to ship as Roy has right now. And I haven't even looked lately as to what's there but I bet it's at least ten cues. When I was there a year ago it was 14 on the wall and two in the safe.

Vince has sold the most SW's hands down. Only Jerry and Laurie have sold more SW's. you can be sure of this, I live in Vegas and known them since 86-I cant put the biz in the street of why Vince has moved the most wood, there is a reason. Its been going on over 20 years. I like Vince he is a good guy,

now you guys get back to arguing about what ever it is today.....

 

[JB Cases]

People are more simpethetic to Jim and Jack becouse they make an American product and charge american money,you make a chinese product and charge american money,they eat steak and your employee's eat fishheads and rice,simple economics as you like to point out,steak cost more than fishheads.

LOL. This is hilarious.

Jack doesn't even make the interiors he uses, they are made in China. What would you think of a cue maker who bought his blanks from China but charged the highest prices for his cues?

Stop wrapping yourself in the flag. I'd seriously suggest that you invest some of your "American" money in some remedial education so that you can learn to use spell check. It would be too much to expect you to simply learn to spell.

I am happy that Jack and Jim have "symPATHETIC" people like you willing to buy them steak. What do you say when they take your "American" money and buy a Chinese tv or computer or Chinese/Japanese video equipment with it? Didn't think that far ahead did you?

Tell you what, if you REALLY want to go down this road buddy how about this; when you buy a case from me you save enough to buy yourself a steak, or a TV, or a computer or whatever YOU want to buy. How does that sound to you?

What sort of moron makes this into another flag waving contest? We are just talking business here. Why do I let idiots who can't read or comprehend or spell get to me? Time for me to take some happy pills and go to bed, it's 2am here and if I read another moronic statement like yours I will be up for another hour.

 

[JB Cases]

Vince has sold the most SW's hands down. Only Jerry and Laurie have sold more SW's. you can be sure of this, I live in Vegas and known them since 86-I cant put the biz in the street of why Vince has moved the most wood, there is a reason. Its been going on over 20 years. I like Vince he is a good guy,

now you guys get back to arguing about what ever it is today.....

I figured that had to be true. I think we all know that Vince was an early investor or something like that with a lifetime supply of available cues.

Roy's stock mostly comes from those who flip their newly acquired cues to him.

 

[01rkclassic]

I am sorry, what is your problem again? You brought him a cue that he declined to purchase outright but then he goes ahead and put it's on hiw website anyway giving you free promotion, you sell the cue and he lists it as sold. Did he specifically list it as HE sold it?

I have never heard of Roy getting criticized for promoting a person's cue. Maybe that's why he doesn't like to take anything on consignment now, too much drama. Would you care to bet that he owns all the SW cues currently for sale on his site?

I guarantee you that Roy has sold more SW cues than any other single dealer out there with perhaps the only exception being Vince Tedesco. Your consignment cue was the exception rather than the rule. Furthermore I'd be willing to make another bet that at least 95% of the SouthWest cue pictures on Roy's site, probably 100%, are pictures of cues that were in Roy's possession and are images that he took.

I seriously doubt that all the pages and pages of sold cues are just inflated hype. Find me any other dealer online with as many SW cues in stock and ready to ship as Roy has right now. And I haven't even looked lately as to what's there but I bet it's at least ten cues. When I was there a year ago it was 14 on the wall and two in the safe.

Now settle down John,Your friend offered to put my cue on his site and I accepted,but he did not disclose that he did not own the cue or have it in his possession,when I sold the cue to a local collector of SW cue's I called him to let him know he could remove the cue from his site,he listed the cue to reflect that he had sold it,not me.

 

[JB Cases]

Now settle down John,Your friend offered to put my cue on his site and I accepted,but he did not disclose that he did not own the cue or have it in his possession,when I sold the cue to a local collector of SW cue's I called him to let him know he could remove the cue from his site,he listed the cue to reflect that he had sold it,not me.

Was he supposed to list it that he didn't have it in his possession? Was he supposed to list that you sold it? I am still not seeing the problem here?

The cue was sold and listed as sold right? Whose images were used? Did Roy ask you to ship him the cue so that he could inspect it and photograph it?

The cue got promoted on Roy's site so he did you a favor. You sold it and presumably Roy didn't make a dime for whatever amount of work he did. So you got what you wanted which was a sold cue presumably at a price you were happy with. Roy got to list another SW with a "sold" sticker on it.

WIN WIN as far as I see it? Are you still harboring resentment over this since 2003?

 

[01rkclassic]

Was he supposed to list it that he didn't have it in his possession? Was he supposed to list that you sold it? I am still not seeing the problem here?

The cue was sold and listed as sold right? Whose images were used? Did Roy ask you to ship him the cue so that he could inspect it and photograph it?

The cue got promoted on Roy's site so he did you a favor. You sold it and presumably Roy didn't make a dime for whatever amount of work he did. So you got what you wanted which was a sold cue presumably at a price you were happy with. Roy got to list another SW with a "sold" sticker on it.

WIN WIN as far as I see it? Are you still harboring resentment over this since 2003?

Take a happy pill and try not to sit on you sack againI had the cue in my possession and took it to him,as i only live 2hrs from him,to inspect and he photographed it,the ethical thing to do would have been to list that the cue was on consignment as other dealers do and to remove the cue from his site when it was sold,not to list that he sold itYes I won as I got the cash and still have my ethics

 

[01rkclassic]

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[01rkclassic]

LOL. This is hilarious.

Jack doesn't even make the interiors he uses, they are made in China. What would you think of a cue maker who bought his blanks from China but charged the highest prices for his cues?

Stop wrapping yourself in the flag. I'd seriously suggest that you invest some of your "American" money in some remedial education so that you can learn to use spell check. It would be too much to expect you to simply learn to spell.

I am happy that Jack and Jim have "symPATHETIC" people like you willing to buy them steak. What do you say when they take your "American" money and buy a Chinese tv or computer or Chinese/Japanese video equipment with it? Didn't think that far ahead did you?

Don't care how they spend there money,could be for midget hookers if they want

Tell you what, if you REALLY want to go down this road buddy how about this; when you buy a case from me you save enough to buy yourself a steak, or a TV, or a computer or whatever YOU want to buy. How does that sound to you?
What sort of moron makes this into another flag waving contest? We are just talking business here. Why do I let idiots who can't read or comprehend or spell get to me? Time for me to take some happy pills and go to bed, it's 2am here and if I read another moronic statement like yours I will be up for another hour.

South West makes there own blank moron!

http://jbcases.com/fullcustom.htmlYour prices don't look any cheaper than Jim or Jacks,I wont be buying a case from you,I'll buy from Jim,Jack or Joe!

Yes business,when your productions cost are cheaper your prices should be cheaper.moron

 

[Bamacues]

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[Bamacues]

I figured that had to be true. I think we all know that Vince was an early investor or something like that with a lifetime supply of available cues.

Vince was an original member of the RumRunners with Jerry. Their friendship went way back. He gets more cues from SW than anyone I know of. I have bought a few off him over the years. Great guy to deal with. When no one else has SW cues, Vince will.

Joe

 

[cuesmith]

Sherm,

I am not confused. My point is that that 10+ year wait is somewhat artificial IF the price when "ordered" is not the price when delivered.

What would the real wait time be if Laurie emailed everyone who is on the list and said send us your deposits and at the end of the next three months the new list is ONLY those who sent money in?

Would you bet me that the "list" shortens by about five years at least?

If I took every order that comes to me with no deposit, just folks placing an order then my backlog would be two years right now.

I personally feel that a lot of "lists" are this way. So and so had a two year wait, and so and so has a five year wait, and so and so is not taking orders at all unless you really have an in. If people had to really put up the money up front then they would quietly remove themselves from a lot of lists and free up space for customers who are ready to pay now.

Anyway, this is off the track of the conversation at hand. I once told Jerry Olivier that I was getting into diamonds. This was said after I had just about finished unpacking 400 cases (40 boxes) and was in the process of putting them up on the walls and here comes Jerry with a Danbuilt case on wheels with about 40 cues in it worth more than four times my case inventory. So I told him I was going to go into diamonds so I could have more in my pocket than he had in the cue trunk.

Unless it's changed, you are locked in at the price your cue is selling at the time you order it.

As for your diamond situation, I know what you mean. I used to be in the pool table sales & service business before I started making cues full time. I reached a point where I didn't want to lift a product that weighed more than 21 ounces.

 

[jimM]

AAAHHHH! I'm getting to love this thread.

hi jim i really like your cases and think that they are well worth the money you are currently charging. in fact the over all quality and craftsmanship has been so good that there is no reason why anyone should have a reason to complain about a higher price, as they are buying a functional peace of art. another thing that motivates me as a consumer to buy from you or jack for that matter. IS THAT YOUR CASES ARE MADE IN AMERICA. this is something that is very important to me. all in all you have earned a fan by me and one day when im financialy capable i will be a loyal customer.

thanks
Mike "the tongue"

Thank you very much. As far as imports, I have always kept to American workers and American supplies if I can. About 30 years ago the goverment decided that it would be better if other countries had more jobs than we did. Mostly because their friends wanted to use cheap labor and ship to the US without penalties. The govt even gave tax breaks for companies to relocate in other countries. What a great idea, huh. I think that we are now stuck into buying things from other countries because there are no manufacturers here anymore. Many small towns were gutted when the business owners realized that they could get labor for 10 cents an hour instead of $15 per hour. It disgusted me and I have never forgotten how the homeless situation started at that time. I have had opportunities to go abroad with my work, but I didn't. Probably not always the best for me as far as money, but I am very happy I didn't.

This isn't a slap at John. He seems to have personal reasons to be there and I don't feel that he is doing anything wrong. It is just my opinion that our country went astray for a few to make megamoney and it left a lot of Americans behind.

 

[Hidy Ho]

Here's a thread where a single poster, who's been banned multiple times, shows repetitive behavior of thread hijacking while implicitly trying to impede competition.

Where is the moderation/moderator when we truly need one?

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Here's a thread where a single poster, who's been banned multiple times, shows repetitive behavior of thread hijacking while implicitly trying to impede competition.

Exactly. And all the while trying to disguise their posts as trying to do Jim a favor. I don't recall that Jim or any of us for that matter, asked for lessons in business 101.
The original post was just a public service announcement from Jim to notify
any future customers of his intentions to provide better and quicker turn around times.

All of a sudden, as par usual, it turned into an All About Me Thread.
Usual Suspects.

 

[JB Cases]

This isn't a slap at John. He seems to have personal reasons to be there and I don't feel that he is doing anything wrong. It is just my opinion that our country went astray for a few to make megamoney and it left a lot of Americans behind.

Jim,

My apologies. I was sincerely trying to help you with my first post letting people know that Indy Q Shop has Murnak cases for sale.

I was taken aback by your answer that seemed to attack Roy and myself where really no answer was even expected and reacted as I usually do.

I really do hope that you find the right balance that allows you continue making cases. And my offer still stands as always to help you out with very good parts should you still have trouble finding satisfactory ones. I can provide you with a couple solutions that will pretty much insure that those particular issues won't happen again.

Best of luck with your new staff and here is to hoping that you find some good and loyal folks to grow with your business.

Best,

John Barton

 

[Nick B]

Careful HH. Otherwise you'll get into a war or words and get banned. Unfortunately I'm not sure whether Mrs. HH has an account for you to use while yours cools off. That would be too obvious, thus I suggest you generate an account for the family dog.

Nick

Here's a thread where a single poster, who's been banned multiple times, shows repetitive behavior of thread hijacking while implicitly trying to impede competition.

Where is the moderation/moderator when we truly need one?