Justis Case...Pre-Barton or Post-Barton

[dom_poppa]

I have been looking for a higher end case for the past month. Doing a lot of research on looks and performance and I am leaning towards good looks and excellent performance.

I have browsed this site and many other sites. I have stumbled upon a thread where Justis case's were damaging cues due to the lack of protection on the bottom of the case but I think his case's looks fabolous.

Should I look for a used Pre-Barton aftermarket one or look into getting a new one after Barton pointed out the lack of protection, basically Justis' newly designed interiors.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2010/04/06/validation/

Perhaps we can get the best of both worlds.

 

[Celtic]

I have seen both cases in person and I gotta say Barton cases give up nothing in the looks department. As to interiors? No question who builds the better interior.

 

[dom_poppa]

I have seen both cases in person and I gotta say Barton cases give up nothing in the looks department. As to interiors? No question who builds the better interior.

I don't see anyone disecting a Justis case and Barton did that and it took me by surprise that the bottom didn't have any padding...he even helped Justis' owners by providing aftermarket pads to beef up Justis cases.

Justis case with Barton modifications are fine with me....I would go with a JB, if the wait time wasn't so long, seeing that he is not taking orders right now.

 

[manwon]

I have been looking for a higher end case for the past month. Doing a lot of research on looks and performance and I am leaning towards good looks and excellent performance.

I have browsed this site and many other sites. I have stumbled upon a thread where Justis case's were damaging cues due to the lack of protection on the bottom of the case but I think his case's looks fabolous.

Should I look for a used Pre-Barton aftermarket one or look into getting a new one after Barton pointed out the lack of protection, basically Justis' newly designed interiors.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2010/04/06/validation/

Perhaps we can get the best of both worlds.

Why not send Jack Justis a PM and ask him what he thinks or ask if him if the problem was every identified as something directly from the case.

Jack is a forum member, why not just contact him directly? Most likely some one will contact him about thread and he will answer your question anyway.

JIMO

 

[Celtic]

Why not send Jack Justis a PM and ask him what he thinks or ask if him if the problem was every identified as something directly from the case.

Jack is a forum member, why not just contact him directly? Most likely some one will contact him about thread and he will answer your question anyway.

JIMO

That Jacks interiors are not quite as protective as a person who owns a cue worth $1000's is going to want as a travel/use case, not storage, is not a secret. I talked to him in person in Vegas about 3 years ago about his cases. They are works of art on the outside, but I told him The cues were not secure enough inside the case, he is ok with that and thus I bought a GTF that year despite me liking the "exterior" of the justis case alot more. Jack does not care if his cases are as protective as they can be and I guess that is ok, but a customer must accept thus and choose their case accordingly.

I cannot remember exactly but does putting a Barton interior into a Justis case void the exteriors warranty? If not a justis case with a Barton interior is truly an awesome case in every way.

 

[manwon]

That Jacks interiors are not quite as protective as a person who owns a cue worth $1000's is going to want as a travel/use case, not storage, is not a secret. I talked to him in person in Vegas about 3 years ago about his cases. They are works of art on the outside, but I told him The cues were not secure enough inside the case, he is ok with that and thus I bought a GTF that year despite me liking the "exterior" of the justis case alot more. Jack does not care if his cases are as protective as they can be and I guess that is ok, but a customer must accept thus and choose their case accordingly.

I cannot remember exactly but does putting a Barton interior into a Justis case void the exteriors warranty? If not a justis case with a Barton interior is truly an awesome case in every way.

Thanks for your information, and I do not doubt your word at all. But, I was trying help the member who started the thread understand that more than likely Mr. Justis will post at some point. The truth is I just do not want this to be another thread where certain members jump in and make unfair comments which will erupt into another war.

I meant no disrespect to the OP or you in any way, I just don't want this to turn into a series of senseless attacks that serve no one.

Oh and by the way, I think allot of Jack. He has always treated me very well and to my knowledge most who know Jack feel the same way.

JIMO

 

[tattoo]

jack is tops in the cue case business....he stands behind his product and takes care of every customer....i know from first hand....he allways goes out of his way to make them happy...me personaly i have never had a cue get damaged in any case that i have owned...take care of your stuff and it will take care of you...:thumbup:

 

[tattoo]

i think maybe someone is trying to collect that 10000 barton posted up...:ignore:

 

[JCIN]

That Jacks interiors are not quite as protective as a person who owns a cue worth $1000's is going to want as a travel/use case, not storage, is not a secret. I talked to him in person in Vegas about 3 years ago about his cases. They are works of art on the outside, but I told him The cues were not secure enough inside the case, he is ok with that and thus I bought a GTF that year despite me liking the "exterior" of the justis case alot more. Jack does not care if his cases are as protective as they can be and I guess that is ok, but a customer must accept thus and choose their case accordingly.

I cannot remember exactly but does putting a Barton interior into a Justis case void the exteriors warranty? If not a justis case with a Barton interior is truly an awesome case in every way.

I have flown all over the country for years with my cues in a Justis case. Never had a problem. Efren Reyes, Bustamante, and many more players have traveled the world for over a decade with Justis cases. Don't you think if it was that big a deal people who make their living with a cue would have switched?

Im just curious how people who want a bank vault for their cues treat them in the first place. To each their own but I think some people latch on to a small talking point and blow it way out of proportion compared to the effect it has in the real world. I dont walk around with a kevlar vest on or have a 5 point harness in my vehicle just like I don't worry about what would happen if I turn my case upside down from 5 feet up.

Jack is very easy to talk to and will give you the straight scoop. Best to go straight to him with any questions.

 

[acousticsguru]

There's no doubt to my mind whose case I'd buy. I love my cues, so protection is paramount, and everything John Barton builds or is responsible for is the reference standard by which all others must be measured.

Now, in terms of looks, it's my impression that one can get from JB Cases whatever one is willing to pay for. There's a long waiting list, to be sure, but then, for good reason.

As to Justis, I've seen gorgeous cases from him, and invariably hated the interior of those I had an opportunity to inspect so much, it wouldn't cross my mind to want to own one. I'm really a function over form kind of guy, but then, a cue case is primarily a cue case, and unless it's for storage, i.e. left at home/in a secure place, a less protective case seems utterly pointless to me. I'm not one to fondle leather in the comfort of my home…

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
_________________

„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[lfigueroa]

I have flown all over the country for years with my cues in a Justis case. Never had a problem. Efren Reyes, Bustamante, and many more players have traveled the world for over a decade with Justis cases. Don't you think if it was that big a deal people who make their living with a cue would have switched?

Im just curious how people who want a bank vault for their cues treat them in the first place. To each their own but I think some people latch on to a small talking point and blow it way out of proportion compared to the effect it has in the real world. I dont walk around with a kevlar vest on or have a 5 point harness in my vehicle just like I don't worry about what would happen if I turn my case upside down from 5 feet up.

Jack is very easy to talk to and will give you the straight scoop. Best to go straight to him with any questions.

I'm with you. Unless you're a real nimrod, almost any modern day case will give you the protection you need.

Personally, my alligator Whitten protects my custom Gina just fine.

Lou Figueroa
AND
nothing touches

 

[Celtic]

Oh and by the way, I think allot of Jack. He has always treated me very well and to my knowledge most who know Jack feel the same way.

Jack is a great guy, that is one thing I know to be a fact. There are few booths were going to at the BCA simply to meet the person working them, Justis cases are worth looking at simply to meet Jack who is as friendly as they come and is clearly very proud of the exterior of his cases.

I DID try to say very clearly, a Justis case with a Barton interior is the nuts, I guess it needed repeating...

And as far as protection goes, I have watched many a airport baggage carrier load planes to know exactly what I want my case to protect my cues from. I can treast my case with kid gloves all I want but the airlines won't let me carry on my cues and case, and the average baggage carrier has no problem throwing a piece of luggage 3 or 4 feet onto a conveyor belt and those pieces of luggage always slide down the metal ramp and slam into the base of the revolving collection area, every time. For me, personally? I want a fairly secure case where the cue does not move around in it, but certainly to each his own.

 

[RRfireblade]

I've owned cases by both and I can honestly say at this point.....

I probably would buy from one of the many other builders who have not embarrassed themselves and $hit all over this forum like children playing in mud on a playground.

It's a damn shame really.

 

[dom_poppa]

I guess what I am asking is....are the older justis cases just as good as the newly barton inspired justis cases with the new interior.

 

[tattoo]

I guess what I am asking is....are the older justis cases just as good as the newly barton inspired justis cases with the new interior.

older justis case were tube cases like the whitten cases.....and for me i want to have a little wiggle room so i can get my cue out easy....bartons gtfs style is just to hard to get them in and out for me....but of course it is all personal taste....there isnt a case out there other than the gtf style that doesnt allow your cue to move alittle but for me a little wiggle is good...

 

[JB Cases]

I have been looking for a higher end case for the past month. Doing a lot of research on looks and performance and I am leaning towards good looks and excellent performance.

I have browsed this site and many other sites. I have stumbled upon a thread where Justis case's were damaging cues due to the lack of protection on the bottom of the case but I think his case's looks fabolous.

Should I look for a used Pre-Barton aftermarket one or look into getting a new one after Barton pointed out the lack of protection, basically Justis' newly designed interiors.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2010/04/06/validation/

Perhaps we can get the best of both worlds.

We have several cases for sale at the moment:

http://www.jbcases.com/forsale.html Two of them are in the J.EF/Justis style.

Jack builds a decent case and he makes it easy for owners to modify the interior if they choose to. We offer an aftermarket modification for $65 shipped that turns the interior into what we use. For many folks this combination is just what they were looking for and they are very happy with the results.

Some people have expressed that they really like the way we do our zippers on the box pockets now. We used to only put a zipper on the side of the pocket and this made the pocket uncomfortable to use.

The old way we did it:

This is the new way:

From the front the nice look is retained. Without the L-Zipper

With L-Zipper:

We are backed up easily through October at this point. I am turning people away and asking them to wait to place the order. If you prefer you can place the order using our order form here, www.jbcases.com/orderform.html and that will preserve you a spot in line so to speak. I will let you know I have seen the order and received it but I won't discuss it with you until I am ready to accept your deposit.

Alternatively you can place an order through one of our dealers who will be more than happy to forgo one of their stocking orders and replace it with a custom order. Those dealers are Indy Q Shop and CueSight. Both of these dealers are qualified to help you with all your needs.

Take your time, we have 17 questions on the order form with 2-6 options for each aspect of the case. And of course you are not confined to what's on the order form either as we are a custom shop. Feel free to browse our portfolio here www.jbcases.com/casesbyname.html

We get requests all the time to copy particular Justis cases and I tell people that while we can work in that general style I prefer to add our own flair to the case. This one we did for Gillian Go is one example of what I mean http://www.jbcases.com/gillian.html (not saying you are wanting a Justis copy)

And the 4x8 UltraPad interior done in matching brown fabric:

I'd also like to mention that every case provides protection to some degree. Every case maker has to find the level of protection that they are comfortable providing. Most cases can be tweaked to offer more or less protection and I am always happy to provide instructions for any person who would like to tinker with whatever they own in order to modify it to fit their desire. It is very true that most people can go through life with less protection and have nothing happen to their cues. But some people prefer that little extra bit of cushion so that they have a little extra piece of mind.

I am working on developing a quick-change interior for this purpose. Those of you who follow my work have seen various iterations of this during the past several years. Several AZ members suggested this a few years ago and I have always wanted to do it this way for the past 15 years. Basically I am a huge fan of camera bags that are configurable and for the past four years it's been running through my mind how to make tube case that have that same sort of use. Anyway, I am rambling........

 

[acousticsguru]

And another impressive JB case… :thumbup:

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
_________________

„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[trob]

I love my jack justice case. I was disappointed at the expo that no one was selling jb cases because I really wanted to compare the two. The only thing that surprised me about the justice case was there was nothing in the bottom to protect the cues. I stopped at another booth and bought a couple tube foam pieces that you push down the tubes for a couple bucks but for what I paid I kind of felt that they should have already been there. I'm a case whore lol and usually Im looking at a new case a month after I bought a new one but not with this. I wanted one for a long time and it was well worth the wait.

 

[dom_poppa]

We have several cases for sale at the moment:

http://www.jbcases.com/forsale.html Two of them are in the J.EF/Justis style.

Jack builds a decent case and he makes it easy for owners to modify the interior if they choose to. We offer an aftermarket modification for $65 shipped that turns the interior into what we use. For many folks this combination is just what they were looking for and they are very happy with the results.

Some people have expressed that they really like the way we do our zippers on the box pockets now. We used to only put a zipper on the side of the pocket and this made the pocket uncomfortable to use.

The old way we did it:

This is the new way:

From the front the nice look is retained. Without the L-Zipper

With L-Zipper:

We are backed up easily through October at this point. I am turning people away and asking them to wait to place the order. If you prefer you can place the order using our order form here, www.jbcases.com/orderform.html and that will preserve you a spot in line so to speak. I will let you know I have seen the order and received it but I won't discuss it with you until I am ready to accept your deposit.

Alternatively you can place an order through one of our dealers who will be more than happy to forgo one of their stocking orders and replace it with a custom order. Those dealers are Indy Q Shop and CueSight. Both of these dealers are qualified to help you with all your needs.

Take your time, we have 17 questions on the order form with 2-6 options for each aspect of the case. And of course you are not confined to what's on the order form either as we are a custom shop. Feel free to browse our portfolio here www.jbcases.com/casesbyname.html

We get requests all the time to copy particular Justis cases and I tell people that while we can work in that general style I prefer to add our own flair to the case. This one we did for Gillian Go is one example of what I mean http://www.jbcases.com/gillian.html (not saying you are wanting a Justis copy)

And the 4x8 UltraPad interior done in matching brown fabric:

I'd also like to mention that every case provides protection to some degree. Every case maker has to find the level of protection that they are comfortable providing. Most cases can be tweaked to offer more or less protection and I am always happy to provide instructions for any person who would like to tinker with whatever they own in order to modify it to fit their desire. It is very true that most people can go through life with less protection and have nothing happen to their cues. But some people prefer that little extra bit of cushion so that they have a little extra piece of mind.

I am working on developing a quick-change interior for this purpose. Those of you who follow my work have seen various iterations of this during the past several years. Several AZ members suggested this a few years ago and I have always wanted to do it this way for the past 15 years. Basically I am a huge fan of camera bags that are configurable and for the past four years it's been running through my mind how to make tube case that have that same sort of use. Anyway, I am rambling........

Thank you John for the info....I will consider putting my name and getting a spot.

I have some ideas on a "Mason" and a "Selma" style case that you did for a member. I love the simplicity and I like your passion or madness in building cases.

P.S. How many case makers such as Barton, would put the links of his competitors on his site. I find it crazy but, then again, he's putting his reputation for building cases against his competitors and helping the trade improve. Thumbs up.

 

[Jack Justis]

I love my jack justice case. I was disappointed at the expo that no one was selling jb cases because I really wanted to compare the two. The only thing that surprised me about the justice case was there was nothing in the bottom to protect the cues. I stopped at another booth and bought a couple tube foam pieces that you push down the tubes for a couple bucks but for what I paid I kind of felt that they should have already been there. I'm a case whore lol and usually Im looking at a new case a month after I bought a new one but not with this. I wanted one for a long time and it was well worth the wait.

When the foam rubber you put in your case dries out and starts to crumble eventually migrating its way up to the top please remember what I told you.

Please don't be misled by beleiving you need padding at the bottom of the case. What do you think the little rubber bumper on the bottom of your cue is for? Also, do you actually think that tip damage will occur from hitting the bottom of the case after it has been slammed into a cue ball at 20 MPH repeadily??I know Craig......I told you I would not get into this again. Sorry.