pendulum stroke

KingJerryO

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I have always used the pendulum stroke, but one thing has always bothered me. When my rear hand strikes my chest the tip of my cue snatches to the left. I know this happens after cue ball contact is made and has no effect on the cue ball, but it is a little bothersome. Am I doing something wrong or is this just what happens with a pendulum stroke. Thanks
 
Is there something more you wanted to hear, that you did not in the ask the instructor subforum?
 
This has been covered and dismissed by the OP.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=236306

Thanks, I'm guessing the OP just wanted to see if anyone else is having the same issue. Apparently, the information that he/she received from the instructors forum didn't help his/her specific situation. Not everyone reads the instructors forum and there might be somebody other than an instructor that can add some information.

It might have been better if the OP had disclosed the fact he/she posed the question at the instructors forum with the suggestions that was given to alleviate any duplicate posts.
 
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Your back hand should be directly under your shoulder at CB impact, giving you at least 1 full foot of movement after contact before your back hand reaches your chest (unless you are a midget--with no disrespect to midget pool players everywhere).

If you ARE making contact with your chest, check to see if your back hand is far enough back on the stick.
 
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Tony, If you will read the original thread in the ask the instructors section you will see that one of my responders says that this is perfectly normal with a pendulum stroke(He said to just ignore it). Meanwhile, one of the most respected fundamental instructors on this forum says this shouldn't happen with a pendulum stroke. This hardly leaves me with a clear answer. I mean no disrespect to the instructors, but after a few days with no clear agreement, I decided that maybe the general population could contribute positively to the discussion. I apologize if I violated forum etiquette.
 
If it was my question I would have taken the word of a BCA master instructor. (Randy G) The only way for anyone to diagnose what is happening is for you to post a video. Without that all the advise you get are just opinions. Posting this on the main forum you may get 100 different opinions, with no clear cut answer.

Post a video, it is worth a million words.


Tony, If you will read the original thread in the ask the instructors section you will see that one of my responders says that this is perfectly normal with a pendulum stroke(He said to just ignore it). Meanwhile, one of the most respected fundamental instructors on this forum says this shouldn't happen with a pendulum stroke. This hardly leaves me with a clear answer. I mean no disrespect to the instructors, but after a few days with no clear agreement, I decided that maybe the general population could contribute positively to the discussion. I apologize if I violated forum etiquette.
 
...or seek out a qualified instructor to actually SEE what's going on with his stroke. That, imo, would be the quickest path to "fix" the problem (assuming there is one).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

If it was my question I would have taken the word of a BCA master instructor. (Randy G) The only way for anyone to diagnose what is happening is for you to post a video. Without that all the advise you get are just opinions. Posting this on the main forum you may get 100 different opinions, with no clear cut answer.

Post a video, it is worth a million words.
 
That is excellent advice from mister lee, as how can you know your problem without seeing you. If you try, it becomes like two blind men grooping over an elephant and trying to describe it.

You said the tip goes to the left, at impact, that could mean you have tighten your grip and twisted, both are bad, so lighten your grip and try to shoot, or shove the shaft straight down the line at impact. Try to load the wrist, cock it back, then flick it into the shot.
joe davis would rub his cue on his ribs, which gave him a stable repeating platform, but the hand comes into to jam into the ribs, as you describe. This is good for normal shots. This is a fine method.

When you have to come with a shot, a big force follow or power draw, you need a 2nd stroke, let the cue hang naturally off of your ribs a couple of inches, just move it to the right, so you can follow through a foot if you wish to and clear your side. You will need of course to drop your elbow, and shove the cue down the line, keeping the shaft parallel to the table bed, there will be some that will tell you not to do that, you then ask them, why then do most pros do this, and at impact, the tip begins to rise up slightly and does not dip down, as all of the early Hof world champions did on follows. On a draw, there the tip slides into the cloth.
 
That is excellent advice from mister lee, as how can you know your problem without seeing you. If you try, it becomes like two blind men grooping over an elephant and trying to describe it.

You said the tip goes to the left, at impact, that could mean you have tighten your grip and twisted, both are bad, so lighten your grip and try to shoot, or shove the shaft straight down the line at impact. Try to load the wrist, cock it back, then flick it into the shot.
joe davis would rub his cue on his ribs, which gave him a stable repeating platform, but the hand comes into to jam into the ribs, as you describe. This is good for normal shots. This is a fine method.

When you have to come with a shot, a big force follow or power draw, you need a 2nd stroke, let the cue hang naturally off of your ribs a couple of inches, just move it to the right, so you can follow through a foot if you wish to and clear your side. You will need of course to drop your elbow, and shove the cue down the line, keeping the shaft parallel to the table bed, there will be some that will tell you not to do that, you then ask them, why then do most pros do this, and at impact, the tip begins to rise up slightly and does not dip down, as all of the early Hof world champions did on follows. On a draw, there the tip slides into the cloth.

In yesterday's final match of THE WORLD 9 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP, I saw Ronnie Alcano dropping his elbow on many shots and his cue tip often did not touch the table even after a long follow-through.
 
@Tony_in_MD

gratulation for joining the SPF Family- i m sure you ll have a good time with each other :-)


lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
In yesterday's final match of THE WORLD 9 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP, I saw Ronnie Alcano dropping his elbow on many shots and his cue tip often did not touch the table even after a long follow-through.

I noticed that. I've also seen people run out playing one handed jack up. Would you recommend everyone play like that???


:)
 
That is excellent advice from mister lee, as how can you know your problem without seeing you. If you try, it becomes like two blind men grooping over an elephant and trying to describe it.

You said the tip goes to the left, at impact, that could mean you have tighten your grip and twisted, both are bad, so lighten your grip and try to shoot, or shove the shaft straight down the line at impact. Try to load the wrist, cock it back, then flick it into the shot.
joe davis would rub his cue on his ribs, which gave him a stable repeating platform, but the hand comes into to jam into the ribs, as you describe. This is good for normal shots. This is a fine method.

When you have to come with a shot, a big force follow or power draw, you need a 2nd stroke, let the cue hang naturally off of your ribs a couple of inches, just move it to the right, so you can follow through a foot if you wish to and clear your side. You will need of course to drop your elbow, and shove the cue down the line, keeping the shaft parallel to the table bed, there will be some that will tell you not to do that, you then ask them, why then do most pros do this, and at impact, the tip begins to rise up slightly and does not dip down, as all of the early Hof world champions did on follows. On a draw, there the tip slides into the cloth.



A 2nd Stroke? Come on Larry, you start to sound like "The Monk" and his 4 Strokes. It was hard enough to perfect one stroke, now there's more?
randyg
 
For me if my hand hits my chest then it tells me my stance and cue alignment to my body is off. The perfect place for me to have it it is the area in between my chest and my shoulder.

Next time you're really in dead punch, pay attention to where your hand is hitting and remember that spot. When you are struggling with your game at some point in the future, adjust your stance, etc. so that your hand hits at the spot you memorized.

Bear in mind that on most of your shots your hand doesn't have to hit your body at all. And don't try to force it if it's not natural. Relax your arm and let the cue do the work.
 
@Tony_in_MD

Is there something more you wanted to hear, that you did not in the ask the instructor subforum?

If it was my question I would have taken the word of a BCA master instructor. (Randy G) The only way for anyone to diagnose what is happening is for you to post a video. Without that all the advise you get are just opinions. Posting this on the main forum you may get 100 different opinions, with no clear cut answer.


I have in the past and will continue in the future to advise people to seek instructors, attend pool schools, and take lessons.

I know you were recently added to the SPF list of instructors and for that I congratulate you. With the new membership you also have a new responsibility to the other SPF instructors. You need to be conscious of how your posts come across and in what light they put the entire associated group in.

Most people would never consider taking lessons from someone who seemed like they thought they knew it all or that there was only 1 way or answer for everyone. I would bet pretty much anything that you don't actually fit that description.

Everyone I have ever met that had a call to teach knew that there was always more to understand and that the answers you are looking for sometimes come from the least likely places.

Congrats again on completing the certification!
 
I could see how my post could be interpreted differently then I intended after I read it again a day or so later.

For that I am sorry, and I will be sure to choose my words more carefully in the future, to insure that the meaning is clear.

My point for the OP in both this thread and the original on the ask the instructors sub forum was that he needed to either post a video for analysis of the issues he was concerned about.

He received some really good advice initially, and at the end decided that this was not a serious problem as another poster had the same issue.

Having someone else see his delivery in action is still the best advice he could get. I think if you review the rest of my posts in this matter you will see that I have tried to be helpful and positive in this regard.

I too believe that you can learn new things from the most unlikely sources. I also know that it is easy to be overwhelmed when asking for advice when you receive different variations of a theme, or conflicting information.



@Tony_in_MD
I have in the past and will continue in the future to advise people to seek instructors, attend pool schools, and take lessons.

I know you were recently added to the SPF list of instructors and for that I congratulate you. With the new membership you also have a new responsibility to the other SPF instructors. You need to be conscious of how your posts come across and in what light they put the entire associated group in.

Most people would never consider taking lessons from someone who seemed like they thought they knew it all or that there was only 1 way or answer for everyone. I would bet pretty much anything that you don't actually fit that description.

Everyone I have ever met that had a call to teach knew that there was always more to understand and that the answers you are looking for sometimes come from the least likely places.

Congrats again on completing the certification!
 
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