ABP boycotts Berhman's event

ABPpros said:
BB's actions have become contageous to other promoter that think they can do the same things to us that BB is doing right now ! We have to put a stop to it .
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But you are not putting a stop to it in a whole. You are just doing this to one event and that is not fair. If you are going to stop it you have to do it across the board to every event and every promoter and every organization.

I am sorry but I feel the ABP has ZERO for a future as an organization and I am very disappointed to have come to this conclusion as I was hoping you guys had something good going but you simply do not. All you are doing is trying to bash the US Open and BB. Not that he isn't partly to blame but you guys are not helping the situation one bit. Honestly, it's like a bad joke and nobody in the industry is laughing at the joke, they are laughing at just you, the ABP.

Anyway, I wish you the best in your future endeavors.

PS.. This whole thing was a BAD MOVE, IMO. Shawn you are going to have to walk home, now get out of my truck....LOL
 
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Neil said:
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I dont know how anyone would even consider having an event where having the prize money is being bet on the come. If the money is there, pay it. If it isn't, stop saying it is.

Lower the "advertised" added money, cut the budget, do whatever you have to do to keep your word.

All of the great things Barry has done and all the great feature (green jackets, roses, scorecard girls, etc etc) will fade to the memory of the prize fund not being there when the matches are over.

Ray



Then why did you guys put up such a fuss when he did cut the prize money in the past??

I'm not taking Barry's side, or your side in this. Barry should just advertise a lot less prize money, and add to it if he can. I can understand him wanting big money for it, but he has to be realistic too.

On the other hand, he has always paid for the Open. Not on time, but the winners still got their money. Now, your stance is you don't want his money at all if he can't (note I did not say won't) pay on time. You are willing to risk ending one of the most prestigious tournaments over a few weeks or months?? Then, you won't EVER get anything from his tournaments!

Just how is that supposed to be helping you?? Do you honestly believe that Barry will cave in to you when he can easily fill the roster with other pros and amateurs??
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That is his option.
 
Bigtruck said:
I just text messaged Shawn and it IS him and he's not alone. Other members are with him and answering these questions.

Ray
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It's pretty easy to tell when Shawn Putnam is doing the answering.

For some reason he puts a space in front of his punctuation marks.

Like this .
Or this !
 
Neil said:
Then why did you guys put up such a fuss when he did cut the prize money in the past??

I'm not taking Barry's side, or your side in this. Barry should just advertise a lot less prize money, and add to it if he can. I can understand him wanting big money for it, but he has to be realistic too.

On the other hand, he has always paid for the Open. Not on time, but the winners still got their money. Now, your stance is you don't want his money at all if he can't (note I did not say won't) pay on time. You are willing to risk ending one of the most prestigious tournaments over a few weeks or months?? Then, you won't EVER get anything from his tournaments!

Just how is that supposed to be helping you?? Do you honestly believe that Barry will cave in to you when he can easily fill the roster with other pros and amateurs??
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Rep to you Neil. My entire point of this thing is that the players want their cake and eat it too (to state an entirely old cliche).

If Barry doesn't have enough money to guarantee the payments then there are only two options:

1. Lower the payments so that he can afford it and have a smaller tourney
2. Players deal with the fact that he is going to pay slower

The tournament can't be as big as everyone wants if everyone wants to get their way. How can the ABP expect BB to have a guaranteed $25,000 added when he doesn't have the money. Then when he does just that, they get mad knowing he doesn't have the money.

It seems like the best thing to do is scale back the prize money and pay on time. I would bet every dime I have that if first place was $20,000 instead of $40,000, all the pros would show up to try and win it.
 
ABPpros said:
BB's actions have become contageous to other promoter that think they can do the same things to us that BB is doing right now ! We have to put a stop to it .
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Well you are making your first stance without really setting a public example of how your standards are to be followed by others. Currently you have not applied any standard to other tournaments that we the public know about or that BB could actually learn about prior to this boycott.

I mean, from the way it sounds, the ABP demanded things to happen with the US Open, when actually it would have been a lot easier to show BB by examples from others what was going to have to happen so that these players would show up for his tournament.
 
Marie's husband said:
Well you are making your first stance without really setting a public example of how your standards are to be followed by others. Currently you have not applied any standard to other tournaments that we the public know about or that BB could actually learn about prior to this boycott.

I mean, from the way it sounds, the ABP demanded things to happen with the US Open, when actually it would have been a lot easier to show BB by examples from others what was going to have to happen so that these players would show up for his tournament.
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All the other tournament promoters paid on time !
 
ABPpros said:
BB's actions have become contageous to other promoter that think they can do the same things to us that BB is doing right now ! We have to put a stop to it .
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So the fans are mostly worried, that even though you want to set an example... which is a very fair and ethical point, but is it worth risking the prestige of U.S. Open? Is there no other way except boycotting a global event like this?
 
King_Nothing said:
So the fans are mostly worried, that even though you want to set an example... which is a very fair and ethical point, but is it worth risking the prestige of U.S. Open? Is there no other way except boycotting a global event like this?
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Full name please. :shocked:

Ray Hansen
 
Neil said:
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Originally Posted by ABPpros
BB's actions have become contageous to other promoter that think they can do the same things to us that BB is doing right now ! We have to put a stop to it .

Which is it??
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Nice catch Neil !
 
Neil said:
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Originally Posted by ABPpros
BB's actions have become contageous to other promoter that think they can do the same things to us that BB is doing right now ! We have to put a stop to it .

Which is it??
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Neil

there was a tourny out west and one in texas that did some big promises and didn't make good.

bill
 
So the fans are mostly worried, that even though you want to set an example... which is a very fair and ethical point, but is it worth risking the prestige of U.S. Open? Is there no other way except boycotting a global event like this?

Bigtruck said:
Full name please. :shocked:

Ray Hansen
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Sorry,

Anhad Singh
!
 
King_Nothing said:
So the fans are mostly worried, that even though you want to set an example... which is a very fair and ethical point, but is it worth risking the prestige of U.S. Open? Is there no other way except boycotting a global event like this?
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The hotels wouldn't take a postdated check , the airlines wouldn't take an IOU to come to the Open, Gas station wanted my money before I fueled up to come to the Open ! Oh, and Our entrees had to be sent in before we started the event . Does anybody see a pattern here ? If we paid all of our expenses with a credit card, 30 days from then the card company wants there money or we pay huge finance charges ! Please tell me all you guys and gals understand what I am saying ?
 
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ABPpros said:
All the other tournament promoters paid on time !
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But you said BB's actions have become contageous so apparently it has come up at other events so the ABP has not proven to sets standards to prevent this other than what is going on now with the US Open.

Regardless, the ABP has taken a stance and I wish you all the best of luck. I do hope that you all figure something out or it will be pretty difficult to seed a tournament with just a few top players attending.

Hmmm, maybe it wont be seeded....about time it becomes fair for all the players that enter.
 
ABPpros said:
The hotels wouldn't take a postdated check , the airlines wouldn't take an IOU to come to the Open, Gas station wanted my money before I fueled up to come to the Open ! Oh, and Our entrees had to be sent in before we started the event . Does anybody see a pattern here ? If we paid all of our expenses with a credit card, 30 days from then the card company wants there money or we pay huge finance charges ! Please tell me all you guys and gals understand what I am saying ?
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Put that under "the cons" column of playing in the US Open for sure. Just don't forget to make a thorough "pros" column.
 
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