ABP boycotts Berhman's event

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Maybe Barry should stop treating those guys that have won the event with a green jacket , paid entry in the event out of his on pocket. What other promoter does that only to be crapped on. Big deal it might take a month or two to get paid but he has always paid. Go take your pool stick somewhere else and see if anyone really cares. Barry puts his heart and soul into this event and this is how your classless bastards show your appreciation. Instead of trying to help make it better you are boycotting. Well maybe its time you try running a event so we the fans can boycott it.
 
JCIN said:
I know a bunch of these international events are basically net-30 or more when it comes to payment. No one seems to have a problem with that. Seems to me the Barry could just say "OK. Everyone gets paid in full on site except for the top 10 finishers who will receive a percentage on site and the balance in 30 to 90 days"

One of the biggest problems is Barry just flat out won't acknowledge before hand the issue. Every year it's all going to be golden. That makes people nuts. If he just changed the paradigm of how he pays up front no one can complain they just make the business decision of whether to accept those terms or not. And they would almost all accept them as long as they were honored.

Boom. I just solved the worlds problems. Let's go steal a boat Big Tony.
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Agreed. I would say minimally all entry fees get paid into a managed 3rd party trust/escrow fund and used only for payment of the prize money. Added money can get distributed in 30 days to the top spots.

This way at least the current entry fees couldn't be used to pay last year's debt, which is the recipe for disaster.

Chris
 
boycott

Maybe Barry should stop treating those guys that have won the event with a green jacket , paid entry in the event out of his on pocket. What other promoter does that only to be crapped on. Big deal it might take a month or two to get paid but he has always paid. Go take your pool stick somewhere else and see if anyone really cares. Barry puts his heart and soul into this event and this is how your classless bastards show your appreciation. Instead of trying to help make it better you are boycotting. Well maybe its time you try running a event so we the fans can boycott it.
 
The Rooster said:
Maybe Barry should stop treating those guys that have won the event with a green jacket , paid entry in the event out of his on pocket. What other promoter does that only to be crapped on. Big deal it might take a month or two to get paid but he has always paid. Go take your pool stick somewhere else and see if anyone really cares. Barry puts his heart and soul into this event and this is how your classless bastards show your appreciation. Instead of trying to help make it better you are boycotting. Well maybe its time you try running a event so we the fans can boycott it.
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I think the record skipped :D
 
Koop said:
Ok, not a big deal but something I find hysterical.
WTF is a 2nd Vice President? I work in corporate America and this is a first for me. As if Vice President isn't bad enough there is a 2nd Vice President.

Sorry, just found it funny.
Don't go hunting with Dick Cheney is all I can say.
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It's not uncommon at all. A second vice president is a rung below vice president.
 
cleary said:
The convention center wouldn't take a postdated check. The bleacher rental company wouldn't take an IOU. The table movers and mechanics wanted money before they got to the open. Oh, and the spectators won't buy seats, shirts, food before they start the event. Does anyone see a pattern here?

Shawn, Johnny, Charlie... whoever this is, I'm sorry but its a two way street. You're not doing manual labor, under the table. Its not 'dig the ditch, get your cash'. This is how things work in the professional world. The fact that he even has cash to pay ANYONE is simply amazing. CASH! Only in pool man... only in pool. That's funny!

I'm a professional in my industry and I work for very large clients. Nearly always I work for clients who are working for a client who are working for a client. The money exchange is never quick. Sometimes up to a year. It's my responsibly to manage my money. The larger the amount, usually the longer it takes. Do they have the money, of course, but I'm not the only bill they got.

How does this translate? Well, I think players need to manage their money better. I do understand you want to get paid, and you should. But if you have to wait a month or even 3 months to get paid $10k, $20k or even $50k... I think you should be more thankful that you had the opportunity to win that amount than worry about how quickly you can get it. A tournament like the US Open doesn't happen weekly.

Take a look at the lotto. Say you win $20million. YEAAAA... let me hold a hundo! :) But for real, say you win. You got a choice to make. Do you want a lump sum NOW or do you want it broken up? A pool player wants its ALL NOW!!!!! Well, all now means a lot less. Its the sucker move.

So would you rather win $15k and have to wait 3 months to get it or win nothing at all? This boycott is exactly that.
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For the record,it is not the same.
I seen you on video telling Mika that you made more money than he did,
and he was the current US open champion. The ones not as fortunate as
yourself may not have as much money to manage. No other work coming
in,they have to reinvest their money and hope for a good performance and a decent draw at the next event. If they go a couple tournaments without cashing,then the missing purse limits their options. As you said, you work for very large clients and don't have the worry about not getting paid if you don't play well.Some good points have been made though.
As long as the top 10 know what to expect,they wont be expecting 40k and be forced to leave with 8.
 
Which events have the ABP sanctioned?

Why is Barry the only one that is targeted by the ABP players?

It is an issue specific to Barry's events while other tournament producers do not have this problem.

But if there is a tournament producer B-list, I'd like to know the other producers on that list. If it is just Barry on the list then I wish the ABP would be clear about that.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Right Fran. That's why I think they somewhat painted themselves into a corner. The leadership really cannot play in the tournament this year without it looking like a double cross on some level to the rank and file who followed them on this. They probably would have been better off having stated that UNLESS the prize fund is posted before the event or some other acceptable solution was worked out, then they would not play. But they didn't say this.

So if the stated goal is to get the US Open to pay players on time upon conclusion of the event, for this year they have actually taken away the biggest incentive for Barry to do so. That is IF the ABP leadership is being genuine and sincere in the official statements they release, to wit that because of past problems and the inability to resolve the issues for this year the association members will not play this year to call attention to their plight in the hope that this will initiate change for next year or beyond. Otherwise, it just comes off as a strong arm tactic. If so, this wouldn't be the first one I think we've seen from this new organization.
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Yep. This group is new and it seems that they only recently officially got their stuff together. In hindsight, ,maybe the better move would have been to put Barry on notice for 2012 and alert their members that this year's prize fund is not guaranteed. However, we really don't know how long they have been in disussions with him about this. If this has been going on for six months or more, then I can understand what they are doing. We are only exposed to the end result at this point.
 
FranCrimi said:
Yep. This group is new and it seems that they only recently officially got their stuff together. In hindsight, ,maybe the better move would have been to put Barry on notice for 2012 and alert their members that this year's prize fund is not guaranteed. However, we really don't know how long they have been in disussions with him about this. If this has been going on for six months or more, then I can understand what they are doing. We are only exposed to the end result at this point.
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They posted that it has been since May 2010 that they have tried to talk with BB. That would be a 14 month discussion. I cannot attest to the validity of the statement, but I believe Putnam said that last night.
 
brandoncook26 said:
They posted that it has been since May 2010 that they have tried to talk with BB. That would be a 14 month discussion. I cannot attest to the validity of the statement, but I believe Putnam said that last night.
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I think that Phone calls back and forth are only somewhat effective and aren't necessarily official. That's why official communications are very important ---- A letter from the organization stating specifically what they want and a deadline at which they would then make a decision.
 
Koop said:
Ok, not a big deal but something I find hysterical.
WTF is a 2nd Vice President? I work in corporate America and this is a first for me. As if Vice President isn't bad enough there is a 2nd Vice President.

Sorry, just found it funny.
Don't go hunting with Dick Cheney is all I can say.
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Reminds me of the time I overheard one of my employees who is a sax player/backing vocals tell someone that he is the sax player and the "second lead singer."
 
A difficult question, after listening to the interview

Jerry Forsyth said:
The RunOut Radio interview with Rodney Morris and Barry Behrman is now on the front page at: http://www.azbilliards.com/runoutplayer.html
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Jerry:

I'm listening to the interview now. I'd listened to Rodney's part, and although I had to "grin and bear it" through Rodney's incessant "you know"s inserted after every five words, it was otherwise a good representation on his part.

However, I'm about 15 minutes into Barry's part, and it's immediately apparent that Barry is probably on pain killers (he just got out of surgery or something, right?). The slur in his speech is pretty pronounced.

Question -- I don't think Barry was at his best at the moment this interview was conducted. Could this have waited until he was better prepared / more lucid?

-Sean
 
Was Rodney serious?

He cant go play other tournements because he cant afford to go to them because he was owed monies?

Man up. Go hustle something. I would bet my left nutt that SVB could walk into any pool room in the world and leave with a pocketful of cash.
 
The more I hear this guy prattle on....The more I am getting pissed off.

They are trying to be all encompassing. Its gonna be funny when everyone refuses to acknowlage their system.

I hope they come to the US Open...I want to draw the name of any one of the people on that list.
 
much respect to the players for taking this stance

I've been saying for years that secured prize money should be the defacto standard and the way to get there was via boycotts
 
sfleinen said:
Jerry:

I'm listening to the interview now. I'd listened to Rodney's part, and although I had to "grin and bear it" through Rodney's incessant "you know"s inserted after every five words, it was otherwise a good representation on his part.

However, I'm about 15 minutes into Barry's part, and it's immediately apparent that Barry is probably on pain killers (he just got out of surgery or something, right?). The slur in his speech is pretty pronounced.

Question -- I don't think Barry was at his best at the moment this interview was conducted. Could this have waited until he was better prepared / more lucid?

-Sean
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Sean....I hope you have a lot more to say on this topic.
You're one of my favorite posters.....
....even though I hate call-shot 10-ball...:cool:
 
12ozCurl said:
Was Rodney serious?

He cant go play other tournements because he cant afford to go to them because he was owed monies?

Man up. Go hustle something. I would bet my left nutt that SVB could walk into any pool room in the world and leave with a pocketful of cash.
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Well, maybe not. When you're a recognized player it's hard to get any action where you're not having to outrun the nuts. People either don't want to be seen getting beat, a pride thing I guess or if they do play they ask for so much weight that it can be impossible. My old road partner Gary Spaeth could hardly ever get any action in Cincinnati. We'd go out to local tournaments and had to wait til they were about to close the entries down to arrive because once people saw he was playing they would not enter. They felt if they weren't the best in the tournament and could not beat Gary it was a waste of money to enter. Some people even asked for their entry fee back once he entered! I always felt they were stupid by missing the opportunity to learn from a champion for a $10 entry fee, but people are funny. I think that's why Poker is so popular. People don't mind losing to a better poker player because they can always blame it on the cards, bad luck. But when they are out skilled they take it more personal. It sucks but it's human nature I guess. That's why pool players have to go out on the road where they aren't recognized rather than playing around their home territory.
 
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