jessi bowman vs svb.

If anybody knows him you will know what im talking about. Scott Tollefson who beat john schmidt 9-0 in a tournament once (so he can obviously play) played SVB barbox 9 ball once gambling and SVB gave him the wild 7 and out and totally and completely decimated him, Scott never stood a chance. Shane can put 10 packs and higher together on a barbox like most people WISH they could put 5 packs together at any time. There really is no question who the best barbox player is. Yes it is an equalizer but there still are players who just are unstoppable. As someone said earlier there used to be barbox mudball specialist such as surfer rod curry. I was told he beat Cheyenne Pete for close to a grand and it was said that Pete practiced for 10 hours a day for a week straight with the mud ball on a barbox and went to wherever rod was and beat him for several thousand.
 
Sw10balltour said:
Chip is a better bar table player than Joey. By atleast 1 ball. Joey on the other hand is a stronger one pocket player. I would even put Chip above Jesse. Svb and Chip would be a better match up but would still take svb.
If you haven't seen Chip play, come to Jamaica Joes September 10th and watch him play.

Ps... Right now I think Shane McMinn is one of the strongest bar box players in the country right now.
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OU Sooner has already commented on this and he probably knows as much as anyone on how these guys would match up. Sw10balltour, I know you watch all these guys in tournaments and your conclusion is probably based on how they finish in those tournaments, which is not a bad way to judge.

Chip and Joey play each other every day. I'm lucky, because I get to watch 2 or 3 times every week. Based on what I watch, Chip is not a ball better than Joey in rotation games.

Chip has become stronger the last couple of years. And, for what ever reason, Chip is finishing higher in tournaments than Joey. I don't know why, maybe Chip is a better tournament player.

If Chip and Joey ever matched up, I don't know who I would back. Probably neither, its too close. If I could only buy one of them in a tournament, I would buy Chip based off recent results. But, you can't go wrong buying Joey.

I don't know if Chip would beat Jesse. I think he is capable. He's also capable of beating SVB but just not likely.

Someone mention they would like to see SVB and Joey play. I think that would be a very difficult game for Joey. But, what would be interesting is SVB playing Joey one pocket.

Steven
 
I am a big Shane fan, but I think when playing the top bar box players on their kind of table, he would not run away with it.
 
trustyrusty said:
I was in Des Moines for the TAR match between Shane and Scott Frost, and it wasn't a match, it was a DISMANTLING! That display (race to 100) made me believe that NOBODY wants a piece of Shane on the little table.
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I remember watching that in person, nice display of talent. Wasnt it a race to 120 or 130 though.....:confused:
 
What part of there are no bar box players left do you not understand? Matlock and Joe Salazar were the top guys in their day but the cueball is the same now. The shots aren't that different. If SVB can give a guy the 7 out on a bar box he can give him the orange crush on a big table. If a guy is an advertised barbox player, then he is a freaking shortstop and will never be able to play with the big boys. Chip and Joey are not bar box players. They are regional pros that play the best tournament closest to home. More often than not it is almost always a barbox tournament because that is the way to draw in amateurs that make the total field in a tourney. When they match up they both prefer playing big table. All pros do.

Most pros are a coin flip on a bar box. How does a forum as educated as this not understand that? Any of the low level pros can put 10 packs together playing bartable 9. Not many experienced gamblers want to put too much money on a bartable match because anything can happen. I've staked money on Chip and Joey against Shane McMinn and Gabe Owen on a barbox and I've won and lost money several times over. It never goes the same. At that level it is literally a coinflip on a barbox. Barbox pool is a break and roll contest. If you break good and you get a couple rolls and you play top speed pool you will probably win. You can see some guys that play shortstop speed get a wild ball or so will lose simply because they can't put the packages together to keep the shooters off of the table. But on a barbox, their game isn't that different.

If you really want to see how people play pool. Big table 10 ball in long races is the thing that makes good players look bad.
 
irock said:
I am a big Shane fan, but I think when playing the top bar box players on their kind of table, he would not run away with it.
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I'm just curious who exactly these "top bar box players" are?

OUSooner has it right. Great players are great players. On Diamond equipment the balls, cueball and pockets are all the same. All the bar box does is place a premium on speed and position with a cushion of easier shots.

Couple years ago Thorsten Hohmann came to the USBTC. He had never played on a bar table before. He was baffled that you had to put a "token" in the table to get the balls out. He beat a few "top bar table players" that week. The cream always rises to the top.

I would love to see Jesse and Shane play. There is a lot of history there. I know Jesse isn't scared to get in the grease with Shane and that the same is true the other way around. Hopefully one day we can get them together on TAR.
 
A few years ago, before streaming became big, Shane and Jesse played an exhibition match at Big Dogs in Des Moines. IIRC, it was a race to 30 on a diamond bar table. It was set up as an exhibition but they ended up playing for a 1000. At the time, Jesse had not been playing very much. Shane ended up winning 30 - 24? or so.
 
dardusm said:
A few years ago, before streaming became big, Shane and Jesse played an exhibition match at Big Dogs in Des Moines. IIRC, it was a race to 30 on a diamond bar table. It was set up as an exhibition but they ended up playing for a 1000. At the time, Jesse had not been playing very much. Shane ended up winning 30 - 24? or so.
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I was there for that and unfortunately it wasn't that close. Jesse had not been playing much which was correct, however Shane steam rolled him in this one. I am sure he would like another crack at him some day. If Jesse gets his break going and doesn't try to runout too fast lol....he can hang for sure.
 
Maybe someone can get a match set up at the Carom Room Bar Table Tournament at the end of August in Beloit. I know Shane and Larry Nevel are signed up and would assume that either Jesse or James Baracks would show.

I would love to see Joey and Chip make the trek as well as any other Bar table specialists.
 
#Cruncher said:
I would love to see Joey and Chip make the trek as well as any other Bar table specialists.
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Chip and Joey are not bar table specialists. You see them playing bar tables because that's the format of the tournaments.

If you saw them playing at Chesters every day, you would rarely see them play on a bar table. They typically play on table #13, which is a 9 foot gold crown with 4 inch pockets.

Chip won the 10 ball ring game at Gabe Owns' T-Town classic, which was played on a 9 foot table. He played against a very strong field, including:

Gabe Owns
Jeremy Jones
Earl Strictland
Rafael Martinez
James Walden
Scott Frost

Joey plays all games well, but in my opinion, Joey's best game is one pocket. That does not mean he is a one pocket specialist.

These guys are well-rounded pool players, they are not specialist.

Steven
 
one wrong word

I need to be a little more careful in how I word my posts. I know they play all games on all tables well. I meant this would be a good tournament for any bar table specialists.

There will be 9 foot gold crowns and a diamond to match up on.
 
Spimp13 said:
I was there for that and unfortunately it wasn't that close. Jesse had not been playing much which was correct, however Shane steam rolled him in this one. I am sure he would like another crack at him some day. If Jesse gets his break going and doesn't try to runout too fast lol....he can hang for sure.
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Yep, I remember that Shane started off hot and Jessie made a "little" comeback. A couple of years ago, Shane played in one of the tournaments in Olathe. He played Dave Matlock on the winners side. It was a great match as Dave was showing signs of his old self. Shane won that one 9 - 7 but I think I would like Dave in is prime on a bar table against Shane. Dave just had that gear. Shane though has that monster break so it would have been a fun to watch.
 
Philippino fear...

When asked if he would play Shane on a bar box.... Dennis Orcullo said he wanted no part of Def Jam on the 7 footer... Said he's too tough...
 
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