Perfect Aim FREE Phone lessons NOW !!! Plus Testimonials
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[edit] I'm sorry that I didn't see all the goings on with this thread being moved from place to place. Given the history of this thread, it should probably have been moved to some paid advertising section, or just removed if we don't have one of those. I'm sorry to put this thread back into the main forum and hope the other mods here can do with it what they see fit (so long as it isn't moved back into the review sections).
[edit] I'm sorry that I didn't see all the goings on with this thread being moved from place to place. Given the history of this thread, it should probably have been moved to some paid advertising section, or just removed if we don't have one of those. I'm sorry to put this thread back into the main forum and hope the other mods here can do with it what they see fit (so long as it isn't moved back into the review sections).
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Clark this was originally in the Main Forum and one of the mods moved it. May want to get with them about it.
Do you know who it was? All reviews in the review section can't be self-fulfilling, because that would make them very biased, and free advertising. If the original thread was made by Geno, then this thread should probably go into some sort of "advertising" section, if we have one.
Since I have moved it out of the review section, I no longer have any moderator control over it.
Since I have moved it out of the review section, I no longer have any moderator control over it.
I wanted to thank you for the time you spent with me Geno , working out why I was the long cut shots so poorly.
as I had said when we first started , I had tried moving my head to both sides, pivoting my body a little moving my feet around. Everything I have used in the past. I knew it was a mechanics problem but just could not work it out.
The few things you had me do , got everything to start looking correct again.
I had been suffering over this for quite a while, so to see the ball and get down on it and know I was lined up correctly felt so good again.
I was playing some 9 ball a week later {like I said I don't get to play much} and using what you talked about, and it was raining balls in the pockets.
I still have some rust but i was running out enough that one of the best players in the room kept going "dang" who is this guy!. Which is about as strong as it gets for him.
It felt great to make balls again and I couldn't be happier.
Thank you for taking time to help a stranger and I hope one day I can return the favor sir.
I am looking forward to meeting you.
I too had the DVD Loaned to me from a guy who paid for it, watched it a couple of times, and also got ZERO out of it.
Cute idea with the Lazier Level!
If the POSITIVE posts that are made in this thread by various and numerous individuals are any indication of how threads like this can positively impact the members of this forum, we probably need to keep this thread in the Main Forum.
Seriously, no harm intended, no barb intentionally jugged, but it is easy to UNSUBSCRIBE from a thread. You can just use the thread tool to unsubscribe. If you just happen to see it on the Main Forum after you unsubscribe, you know what the title is, just pass it by without opening it.
That's what I do. I just don't see the need for people to make posts about not wanting to see posts or threads like this. This is a positive thread about something that IS making a good difference in a lot of peoples game.
Be happy for others who are having fun learning something that is helping their game.
Seriously, no harm intended, no barb intentionally jugged, but it is easy to UNSUBSCRIBE from a thread. You can just use the thread tool to unsubscribe. If you just happen to see it on the Main Forum after you unsubscribe, you know what the title is, just pass it by without opening it.
That's what I do. I just don't see the need for people to make posts about not wanting to see posts or threads like this. This is a positive thread about something that IS making a good difference in a lot of peoples game.
Be happy for others who are having fun learning something that is helping their game.
It's spam, plain and simple, and it doesn't belong here. No exceptions.
Hating is no way to live.
You are so unreal. It appears that anyone that states a opinion different than you and your cronies are haters.
You are so quick the start the name calling. Grow up.
This is whole thread is spam. It does not belong in this forum simply because there are forums for this exact type of thread.
But for some reason, some believe that they are above what is consider proper use of a BB. I wonder if these are also the same type of people that show up late to a tourney, but still believe they should get in just because of who they are, when everyone else showed up on time.
To keep implying that those that believe this is spam and does not belong in this forum as haters is someone trying to stir shit up. But, then again, you have a good history of doing just his.
It is just plain disrespectful to keep posting spam where it does not belong and that is the issue and not how positive or negative the instruction is.
Clark:
Noone blames you for the decision you had to make. And I believe you are correct in getting a self-promoting thread out of your area, which is the product review section, a section devoted to unbiased product reviews. I believe the thread was moved to your vicinity because it was a "let's try this in the review section, since people keep saying how good the info is, but it certainly doesn't belong here in the Main forum" decision by Mr. Wilson.
I personally believe this thread belongs in the Wanted / For Sale section. The thread was initiated by the vendor himself (geno-marketing-machino), and was a "limited time giveaway" of his product. Regardless/irrespective of the fact that the product incurs no cost to the people that take him up on it, it's STILL AN ADVERTISEMENT. The technique, as I'm sure you know, is what's known in the industry as a "loss leader" technique. That is, you give away your product for free to build up your customer base, and now you have critical mass (expanded customer base) to begin charging again. I know JoeyA is familiar with the "loss leader" technique, because he himself is in sales.
And for those people that say that it's doing geno-marketing-machino an injustice by moving his thread into the Wanted / For Sale section (which "supposedly has a radically reduced viewership demographic" -- i.e. the viewpoint of justadub), I ask those people to please put the blinders away, and LOOK AT THE VIEWERSHIP numbers of the Wanted / For Sale forum. It's viewership numbers are surpassed ONLY by the Main forum, so it's not like geno's been handed an injustice. In fact, quite the opposite -- it's putting his product right in the wallet-firing-line of people SPECIFICALLY THERE TO PURCHASE PRODUCT. How is that an injustice?
-Sean
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Sean,
What is the "essence" of the Main Forum?
Don't tell me what it isn't or what it shouldn't be. Tell me what it is or what the purpose of it is.
Waiting with baited breath. (RIP Smorg)
JoeyA:
I'll bite -- no need to do the "baited breath" parry you like to engage Lou with.
I would say the Main forum is for the following things:
* Open sharing of knowledge. (This is something that geno is NOT doing -- on the contrary; one has to pay for it, sans his limited-time free loss-leader offer.)
* Open discussion of pool-related topics. "Discussion" is the key operative word here. Not a product loss-leader advertisement, followed by a pile-on of endorsers to the product.
* Sharing of road stories. Self-explanatory.
* Sharing of one's experiences at a tournament. Self-explanatory.
* Posting questions about tournament rules, variations of certain games, handicaps / matching up techniques, etc.
There are, for sure, others. But you get the idea. There are dedicated forums to product reviews, instructor reviews, wanted / for sale, etc. -- precisely because they are point-purpose forums designed for that material.
If it were up to some people (perhaps yourself?), AZB would be just one big "Main" forum, and *everything* (product reviews, sales, ads, instructors, non-pool related, etc.) would get tossed in here. That technique you're advocating, of "just skipping the threads that one is not interested in"? That only goes so far, when you have to pile-drive your way through MOUNDS of stuff you're not interested in. And for what? So that the viewership is granted the "democratic privilege" of making sure everything passes by their eyeballs? That sure sounds like sales to me -- the eyeballership thing. I think there's enough of a critical mass of people who, with sparse available time, can't in any way/shape/form do this -- they just don't have the time to do all this filtering. I like my time here at AZB optimized; being able to hit it and get out of it maximum value during my 5-minute breaks. I realize there are others here (retired, etc.) that are not in this boat; they do not have the problem of "time." But I'm sure the owners/moderators here have, in their interest, optimizing the time and value for the readerships. There's certainly NOTHING stopping that readership from engaging an extra mouse click or two to check forums outside of the Main forum. Certainly less hassle than having to wade through pages and pages and pages of the forum, trying to train their eyes not to gloss over while picking out the stuff that interests them.
-Sean
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well, first off, Joey and I are not engaged. I don't even find him that attractive.
More seriously though, I agree with your general assessment of the situation and think these "public service anouncements" by Geno should be whacked off the Main Forum. Perhaps more than anything else, so that we return to a semblance of fairness about this kind of shameless self-promotion. Once you lower the bar this much, it's going to be pretty tough to make a case against anyone else.
Lou Figueroa
Unfortunately, you had to add in what the forum is not, which I specifically ask you not to.
The forum is here for the general benefit and use of all AZB's membership. It is only right that no formal definition exists for the Main Forum. This is the PRIMARY FORUM and that's all it is.
When a large group of members of AZ Billiards chooses to rant and rave about how that person has improved their game because of one person, those of us who aren't of like mind and spirit should simply value the rights of those who voluntarily acknowledge the contributions of that person.
One of the reasons that Gene Albrecht continues to receive the accolades of many posters is that he is making a valuable contribution to their pool game.
It is in THIS MAIN FORUM, that most of those people heard about Gene Albrecht and his PERFECT AIM system. It is only right that they have the opportunity to talk about their individual experiences right here on the MAIN FORUM.
If Gene continues to light the candle of aiming perception for some people, I hope that the management of AZ Billiards has the wisdom to continue to make allowances for any downside that might be perceived by a few. But more importantly, I hope that the management realizes that those who are receiving the benefits of Gene's FREE PHONE LESSONS have as much right to express how Gene has helped their pool games, and yes, IN THIS MAIN FORUM.
Yes, Gene is a salesman but if it hadn't been for his skills at selling, many people would be still languishing in the mediocrity of their pool game.
If the MAIN FORUM isn't here to give a blessing to improving one's pool game, then I don't know what better good it can serve.
The truth is that Gene has been BADGERED, CONDEMNED and ATTACKED for his PERFECT AIM SYSTEM by a few, WHILE DOZENS continue to sing his praises. Why is that? Hmmmmm. I wonder.
Gene has not retaliated to one of those mean-spirited attacks and even you have to admit that. Most would have lit up the forum with expletives that would embarass even the most uncouth.
I probably spend an above average amount of time on the forum based upon the number of my posts and the length of time that I have been a member and I have no problem with passing over threads that do not interest me. I also have no problem reading and interacting with threads that do interest me.
I can't call what you are doing a witch hunt, because I genuinely believe you don't mean Gene any harm but but attempting to censor what other posters are talking about, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CONCERNS POOL and THE IMPROVEMENT OF THEIR POOL GAMES, you and a couple of others do the Main Forum more harm than good.
Again, if this Main Forum isn't about improving your pool game, then I really don't know what it is.
Gene Albrecht is one of the best things to happen to this website.
People complain about pro players not spending time here. This wishful censoring and sniping by a few is why they don't come here.
We have GOLD with Gene and you want to push him off in some corner of the website where he won't be of benefit to most of the members of AZB.
If the management had the money, THEY SHOULD PAY GENE TO POST ON THIS FORUM because he can and has helped people become more excited about their pool game than practically any other poster.
When people become excited about improving their pool game, they bring other people into the sport. We need more people excited about their pool game and we certainly need more people playing pool. Gene helps with all of that.
Gene has AND CONTINUES TO HELP MANY PEOPLE to improve their pool game and that deserves to be here in the Main Forum.
If GENES information in his DVD was something that was EARTH SHAKING, may I ask why has not some RETAILER of Pool Instructional DVD JUMPED upon the DVD like a it was GODS gift too POOL, and sold the hell out of the DVD. Why has not Inside Pool, or Billiards Digest done a review on PERFECT AIMING, and said something like a MUST FOR EVERY POOL PLAYER who want to improve their game??????
IMHO Mueller if they Sold the Perfect Aiming DVD would have took a loss on the proposition, as Mueller offers a MONEY BACK WARRANTY on EVER PRODUCT THEY SELL, and IMHO the DVD would have been returned like an Armada of Spanish War Ships to Mueller's.
Like I said in the post above I had the PERFECT AIMING DVD LOANED to me by a guy who not only sprung for the DVD , but also GAVE GENE a $100.000 for a Perfect Aiming Lesson. I watched the entire Perfect Aiming DVD 4 TIMES, and said to my self. ZERO NEW INFORMATION!
I asked this Arizona Pool Player who loaned me his DVD what did Mr. Geno teach you?, he said to see shots differently.
After about 20 other questions to the guy who loaned me his DVD I could not get a straight answer out of the gentleman what he learned from his $80.00 DVD, as he still shoot Pool like a Strong "C" weak "B" Player after Genes Dog, and Pony Show.
Honestly who else in the Pool World sells an Instructional DVD, and say if you do not COMPREHEND the INFORMATION call for a SPLAINING?
HAW THERE does anyone get the message. Dog & Pony Show??????????????
Sorry Geno I just bought Power One Pocket from Fast Lenny featuring Scott Frost, and I don't need to make no phone calls to UNDERSTAND WHAT SCOTT is trying to Communicate, ALL I NEED DO is Follow Scott's Instructions, and Practice what he shows step by step to accomplish what Scott Teaches in his DVD.
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There is a section for Ask The Instructor.
I stay out of that section for respect for those "instructors".
Now, that can change real quick since I really feel I am a instructor just not certified to teach a set program.
So, I think I'll just start hanging out in the instructor sections......
I stay out of that section for respect for those "instructors".
Now, that can change real quick since I really feel I am a instructor just not certified to teach a set program.
So, I think I'll just start hanging out in the instructor sections......