no call shot 10 ball.

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sydbarret

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srry if you guys have discussed this many times before but just wanted to give my opinion on it.

The game should be played no call shot and the 10 counts on the break. If someone is hooked and makes a solid hit on the ball sometimes good things will happen and the ball will find a hole and you get out. It's the same for both players. Why make the game less exciting, because somebody might get a roll or two? bfd.

Complaining about luck in pool is like(or worse) than complaining about being unlucky in poker.It's something you should learn asap not to do.


The balls are just gonna roll however they are gonna roll. Nobody gets any more rolls than the next guy. The best players aren't going to be affected by something which imo isn't even real.
 
sydbarret said:
srry if you guys have discussed this many times before but just wanted to give my opinion on it.

The game should be played no call shot and the 10 counts on the break. If someone is hooked and makes a solid hit on the ball sometimes good things will happen and the ball will find a hole and you get out. It's the same for both players. Why make the game less exciting, because somebody might get a roll or two? bfd.

Complaining about luck in pool is like(or worse) than complaining about being unlucky in poker.It's something you should learn asap not to do.


The balls are just gonna roll however they are gonna roll. Nobody gets any more rolls than the next guy. The best players aren't going to be affected by something which imo isn't even real.
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if that's the way you want to play why not just play 9-ball.. 10ball is a different game. and it sounds like you don't like it but by and large the rest of us do.
 
softshot said:
if that's the way you want to play why not just play 9-ball.. 10ball is a different game. and it sounds like you don't like it but by and large the rest of us do.
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I agree. Just play 9 Ball. Leave 10 Ball alone. They are different games with different rule sets. What's the problem with that?

I predict there will not be much support for slop TE 10 Ball in this thread.
 
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Actually, 10 ball has been around for a long time. Usually reserved for ring games. It wasn't created with the "call shot rule" and the "10 ball on the break rule" It has just evolved with changing rules to accommodate issues with 9 ball.

One might observe that Shane and Alex decided not to call balls. To think that "thats the way the game is played" is naive, as is the idea that 8 ball was always, and is always, a call shot game. Things change and players should play the way they want, unless they are playing in a tournament under standardized rules. Which may be crap for gambling.
 
softshot said:
if that's the way you want to play why not just play 9-ball.. 10ball is a different game. and it sounds like you don't like it but by and large the rest of us do.
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I like 10 ball better than 9 ball, its a better game. The first time I played it was Id guess sometimes in the early to mid 90s.

My opinion is the game is better played no call shot and the 10 counts on the break.
 
sydbarret said:
I like 10 ball better than 9 ball, its a better game. The first time I played it was Id guess sometimes in the early to mid 90s.

My opinion is the game is better played no call shot and the 10 counts on the break.
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how is it better? by those rules it's no different
 
The vast majority of luck in 9ball and 10ball doesn't come from pocketing balls in wrong pockets; it comes from leaves. This is where the WPA rules fall short, and why I happen to agree with the OP (unless the rules are changed).

Ex: Shooter A calls the 3 in the corner. He misses the shot and leaves Player B snookered. Player B kicks the 3 into the wrong pocket. Cueball gets perfect shape for the 4. Player A runs out.

Who got lucky in that rack? WPA rewards Player A for missing, but punishes Player B for the making the ball.

Making balls in wrong pockets: sure, it happens but rarely.
Missing balls and rolling safe: happens all the time and often determines winners/losers.

Proposed amendment: treat a missed ball as a push-out. Incoming player gets the option. If you call safe, incoming player has no option unless you pocket a ball (that's a miss).
 
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Drew said:
The vast majority of luck in 9ball and 10ball doesn't come from pocketing balls in wrong pockets; it comes from leaves. This is where the WPA rules fall short, and why I happen to agree with the OP (unless the rules are changed).

Ex: Shooter A calls the 3 in the corner. He misses the shot and leaves Player B snookered. Player B kicks the 3 into the wrong pocket. Cueball gets perfect shape for the 4. Player A runs out.

Who got lucky in that rack? WPA rewards Player A for missing, but punishes Player B for the making the ball.

Making balls in wrong pockets: sure, it happens but rarely.
Missing balls and rolling safe: happens all the time and often determines winners/losers.

Proposed amendment: treat a missed ball as a push-out. Incoming player gets the option. If you call safe, incoming player has no option unless you pocket a ball (that's a miss).
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Drew, that's not exactly agreeing with slop 10 Ball, that's actually calling for even more stringent call shot rules i.e. incoming player has the option ANY miss whether a ball goes in or not. These rules have used in some tournaments like the Tony Robles events on the East Coast and some of the past SBE events (not the last one, which was played by WPA rules).

Really the major debate about amending the 10 Ball rules in this way pretty much involves where you are on the philosophy of having the two way shot as part of the game of 10 Ball. Personally, I like the 2 way shot because it does add a strategic element and results in players perhaps attempting more difficult shots rather than playing safe on just about everything with some risk. But I do understand the other side of it.
 
Drew said:
The vast majority of luck in 9ball and 10ball doesn't come from pocketing balls in wrong pockets; it comes from leaves. This is where the WPA rules fall short, and why I happen to agree with the OP (unless the rules are changed).

Ex: Shooter A calls the 3 in the corner. He misses the shot and leaves Player B snookered. Player B kicks the 3 into the wrong pocket. Cueball gets perfect shape for the 4. Player A runs out.

Who got lucky in that rack? WPA rewards Player A for missing, but punishes Player B for the making the ball.

Making balls in wrong pockets: sure, it happens but rarely.
Missing balls and rolling safe: happens all the time and often determines winners/losers.

Proposed amendment: treat a missed ball as a push-out. Incoming player gets the option. If you call safe, incoming player has no option unless you pocket a ball (that's a miss).
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I've always played incoming player has option (like a push) for any slop (called pocket, miss, left no shot or called safe, ball goes down) when playing 10 ball.

I always thought that was the ruling?
 
S.Tat said:
I've always played incoming player has option (like a push) for any slop (called pocket, miss, left no shot or called safe, ball goes down) when playing 10 ball.

I always thought that was the ruling?
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Actually, no. The World rules are essentially that the incoming player has the option on a miss ONLY if the called ball falls in a wrong hole or another ball is pocketed. On a simple miss with no balls falling the incoming player must take the balls in position. Also, you cannot pocket a ball on a safety or the incoming player has the option.
 
Just get rid of it. There should be NO called balls in any game...not Ten-Ball, not Eight-Ball, and not even 14.1.
 
S.Tat said:
I've always played incoming player has option (like a push) for any slop (called pocket, miss, left no shot or called safe, ball goes down) when playing 10 ball.

I always thought that was the ruling?
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From the rules:
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant.
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The shooter, after the break at anytime may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)
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Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, it says nothing about slopped safeties. Maybe someone who has played in a WPA tournament can clarify.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Actually, no. The World rules are essentially that the incoming player has the option on a miss ONLY if the called ball falls in a wrong hole or another ball is pocketed. On a simple miss with no balls falling the incoming player must take the balls in position. Also, you cannot pocket a ball on a safety or the incoming player has the option.
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Thanks for the clarification. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? With current rules, 10ball is worse than 9ball.
 
Drew said:
From the rules:


Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, it says nothing about slopped safeties. Maybe someone who has played in a WPA tournament can clarify.
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Drew, the rule you quoted states a safety must be played without pocketing a ball. It further states that rule 9.7 (wrongfully pocketed balls) applies during a safety. Here's the rule:

9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls
If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.
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So, any ball falling during a safety would result in an option for the incoming player.
 
I enjoy 10 ball alot more than 9 ball. I dont know how many times i have lost a game of 9ball because it was slopped in. By making one call their shots it makes them think abit more, instead of knocking balls around.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Drew, the rule you quoted states a safety must be played without pocketing a ball. It further states that rule 9.7 (wrongfully pocketed balls) applies during a safety. Here's the rule:



So, any ball falling during a safety would result in an option for the incoming player.
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But it says nothing about a missed ball and lucky safe...that's the situation I'm talking about.
 
Drew said:
Thanks for the clarification. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? With current rules, 10ball is worse than 9ball.
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No problem. If that's how you feel then simply play 9 Ball.

I don't have a problem with it, but as I said, I like the idea of the 2 way shot in 10 Ball. To me it is preferable to see a pro try a difficult shot to keep an out going because he has a plan B of leaving his opponent safe if he misses rather than watching them play safeties all the time.

For the record I also like the game of 9 Ball. Usually this discussion centers around what the pros should be playing in professional tournaments and more pros seem to prefer 10 Ball, at least those that have expressed an opinion around here. From an amateur or recreational standpoint, play whichever you prefer to play, 9 Ball or 10 Ball. It's really beneficial that they are different games and I don't get why they can't coexist.
 
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Drew said:
But it says nothing about a missed ball and lucky safe...that's the situation I'm talking about.
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Right, that can happen, just like in 9 Ball. But that goes back to whether or not to allow the option on ALL misses and therefore doing away with the 2 way shot. As mentioned before, some tournaments do play 10 Ball this way (option on ALL misses). But it is not part of the World rules as of now.
 
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