The follow through is a symptom of a good stroke, but it has no direct influence on the shot. For more info on this topic, see:
Regards,
Dave
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Regards,
Dave
Why would I want to try to do that? That's silly.
The only way I could imagine it being done is using one of the techniques demonstrated in these videos:
NV B.49 - Using your knuckles to prevent a double hit and stop the cue ball, with Bob Jewett
NV B.50 - Using your knuckles to prevent a double hit and get follow, with Bob Jewett
NV B.51 - Using your natural forward stroke limit to prevent a double hit and get draw, with Bob Jewett
NV B.50 - Using your knuckles to prevent a double hit and get follow, with Bob Jewett
NV B.51 - Using your natural forward stroke limit to prevent a double hit and get draw, with Bob Jewett
I'd prefer not cause bodily damage, so I'll pass on your challenge for now. :grin:
You may have misunderstood my explanation of the role of follow through.
Even though it has no direct affect on the shot, it is certainly an important consequence of a good stroke, whether you drop your elbow or not.
Regards,
Dave
Thank you for the link to that excellent resource!. That video (NV B.65 - Power draw technique advice from VEPS I) has some great advice that can help anybody (even a "D player" like me) hit a decent draw shot.
oke: :grin-square:FYI, lots more advice, articles, and video demonstrations concerning how to execute draw shots well and consistently can be found here:
:kiss: :rotflmao1:
Regards,
Dave :wave3:
Thank you for the link to that excellent resource!. That video (NV B.65 - Power draw technique advice from VEPS I) has some great advice that can help anybody (even a "D player" like me) hit a decent draw shot.
FYI, lots more advice, articles, and video demonstrations concerning how to execute draw shots well and consistently can be found here:
:kiss: :rotflmao1:
Regards,
Dave :wave3:
I knew you'd get a kick out of that. I know we all did as well. Don't be so hard on yourself, you're at least a good "C".
No. You have convinced me with all of your past analyses of my videos that I am a "D player." And I will expect appropriate "weight" if we ever meet, which I hope happens some day.
Regards,
Dave
I'm sure we'd figure something out :thumbup:
Agree, one thing at a time. Unfortunately, changing one thing implies changing a second thing. So, it is pairs of things that are being changed.
One Pocket John,
Yes, looks like our approach is the same in the hit technique. Nice to see I'm not alone on this one.
The difference in power is amazing.
Only difference is that I turn this into a J-stroke.
I don't pin anything, the 2 German coaches from IPAT are completely against that technique.
Freedom and looseness are the key on draw shots.
Also, another little addition that I like to do on some shots but not all(example extreme draw with English) is to turn my wrist adding even more speed with less backswing.
Yes, looks like our approach is the same in the hit technique. Nice to see I'm not alone on this one.
The difference in power is amazing.
Only difference is that I turn this into a J-stroke.
I don't pin anything, the 2 German coaches from IPAT are completely against that technique.
Freedom and looseness are the key on draw shots.
Also, another little addition that I like to do on some shots but not all(example extreme draw with English) is to turn my wrist adding even more speed with less backswing.
Any chance you could post a video or reference a link to what this looks like?
This probably isn't what you had in mind, but it does show how wrist twisting and stroke swooping can be used for other "dramatic" effects: :yikes:
Regards,
Dave
Seen it before, and it is still funny.
The wrist turn I'm describing doesn't change the path of the cue and it has no effect on the shot itself.
It just speeds up your movement sort of giving a running start from a stopped position.
I would not call it a wrist snap as I believe it to be different.
If I come across it I will post it.
A "wrist flick" or "wrist snap" is very different from the silly "cue twist" technique demonstrated in the video. Some people (e.g., Tom Ross) use a snappy wrist quite effectively. While filming VEPS, I was often blown away by how effortless Tom made some of the power shots look with his amazingly relaxed and snappy wrist.Seen it before, and it is still funny.
The wrist turn I'm describing doesn't change the path of the cue and it has no effect on the shot itself.
It just speeds up your movement sort of giving a running start from a stopped position.
I would not call it a wrist snap as I believe it to be different.
If I come across it I will post it.
BTW, I hope you didn't take any offense by my video. None was intended.
Regards,
Dave
Ohh no, not at all. I make comments that sometimes can be taken as a shot but are harmless.
I know about wrist snap and the power it can add.
I think it can be complicated to use, especially if someone is having trouble with the motion in the first place.
That's why I made a distinction between what I'm describing and the snap.
In a nutshell, I believe the easiest draw comes out of motion of underhanded softball throw.
One Pocket John added like underhanded pitching all the way to the OB ball.
This I believe to be exactly the way to execute the shot, I just turn it into a J-stroke.
The additional wrist 'cocking' of sorts at the back stop just before the stroke is not necessary, I just added as an additional trick which just speeds up the motion.
But again that can complicate the situation as well.
I have a feeling Mantis's cue is going into the CB diagonally down in a straight line.
While the motion described by me starts as pendulum and goes into the CB more parallel to the table.
But I could be wrong.
Best regards
Man, you really got me on the shot in the side and the other shot in the corner.
I thought .......the doc needs to get his side pocket fixed. The shot in the corner around the other ball had me really going. I thought.....the docs table really rolls off bad.
Thanks for the laugh. I need to get one of those 8 balls. Nice video.
John.
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The wrist twist is actually a legitimate technique used for banking... While I will not argue that you cannot do the exact same thing by simply aiming and applying english at setup it. It is a center ball aiming system with different amounts of wrist twist in either direction to cause the banking angle to lengthen or shorten up...
If I see a bank is dead on to bank a diamond short I can simply twist it in to the pocket without having to aim at anything other than a center ball hit.... I am sure there are all sorts of geometric holes in the system and it is mainly useful cross table but I was taught by someone who had been taught by Eddie Taylor... If there was no merit it could not be taught because it would not be consistent in application...
I have taught several people to use it on hold up banks because it gets the thought of the double kiss from even entering into your head.... It is also pretty useful in getting beginners to start pocketing some banks.. I showed a league players wife a few banks with it and she started making them and doesn't play much pool... He stopped me the next time I was in the pool room and had me show him... He had just ignored what I was showing her until he saw her results....
If I see a bank is dead on to bank a diamond short I can simply twist it in to the pocket without having to aim at anything other than a center ball hit.... I am sure there are all sorts of geometric holes in the system and it is mainly useful cross table but I was taught by someone who had been taught by Eddie Taylor... If there was no merit it could not be taught because it would not be consistent in application...
I have taught several people to use it on hold up banks because it gets the thought of the double kiss from even entering into your head.... It is also pretty useful in getting beginners to start pocketing some banks.. I showed a league players wife a few banks with it and she started making them and doesn't play much pool... He stopped me the next time I was in the pool room and had me show him... He had just ignored what I was showing her until he saw her results....
Ohh no, not at all. I make comments that sometimes can be taken as a shot but are harmless.
I know about wrist snap and the power it can add.
I think it can be complicated to use, especially if someone is having trouble with the motion in the first place.
That's why I made a distinction between what I'm describing and the snap.
In a nutshell, I believe the easiest draw comes out of motion of underhanded softball throw.
One Pocket John added like underhanded pitching all the way to the OB ball.
This I believe to be exactly the way to execute the shot, I just turn it into a J-stroke.
The additional wrist 'cocking' of sorts at the back stop just before the stroke is not necessary, I just added as an additional trick which just speeds up the motion.
But again that can complicate the situation as well.
I have a feeling Mantis's cue is going into the CB diagonally down in a straight line.
While the motion described by me starts as pendulum and goes into the CB more parallel to the table.
But I could be wrong.
Best regards
I was just getting ready to say the same thing. Pitching the softball underhanded is a pendulum stroke however the cue tip does not touch the cloth it stays parallel to the table at the same distance above the table where you hit the cue ball. About a 3/4 inch or so using draw.
John
I have a feeling Mantis's cue is going into the CB diagonally down in a straight line.
While the motion described by me starts as pendulum and goes into the CB more parallel to the table.
But I could be wrong.
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You are correct. I confirmed that by watching some slow motion video of myself last night. Besides it is the only way the CB can jump when I am hitting well above the miscue line. Now I just have to fix it. I think it is coming from abnormal grip pressure and excessive wrist snap. The softball stroke sound interesting but I am not quite sure what I am picturing is what u mean.
While the motion described by me starts as pendulum and goes into the CB more parallel to the table.
But I could be wrong.
Best regards[/QUOTE]
You are correct. I confirmed that by watching some slow motion video of myself last night. Besides it is the only way the CB can jump when I am hitting well above the miscue line. Now I just have to fix it. I think it is coming from abnormal grip pressure and excessive wrist snap. The softball stroke sound interesting but I am not quite sure what I am picturing is what u mean.
I call it.......turning the object ball. But the samething as above. This works very well on banks and on other shots.
I showed my friend how to hit the OB next to a rail turning the OB into the pocket and having the QB draw back to the other end of the table using side spin. It took him a couple of tries but once he got the hang of it I think he saw how valuble this stroke could be.
John
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