Stan The Man Shuffett
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Well, I agree giving Stan a hip, hip, hooray for his fine showing at the Open. It's pretty cool! I'll bet his family was proud as punch. Heck, I'm proud as punch of him as he's a fellow forum member.
That said, your comment did give me a chuckle: "put lipstick on a pig."
Laughter really is the best medicine to cure all that ails us. :smile:
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My compliments of his performance at the Open have been sincere, as have been my criticisms of his DVD. They are two separate things.
Lou Figueroa
My wife and I were walking through a Chicago neighborhood a few months ago and we're walking past a baseball diamond with a couple of grammar school teams going at it. The batter fouls a ball over the fence and it dribbles in front of us on the sidewalk. The kid at first base sees us and holds up his glove for me to throw it to him.
Now, honestly, I haven't picked up a baseball since high school, when I played a little second base. I picked up the ball and fired it back about 40 feet right into his glove. My wife was like, "Wow. Pretty good."
That's how you aim a feel shot: see the target, put the ball on the target.
Lou Figueroa
no edges
no pivoting
But did you throw a curveball or a spitball when you hit the target? :thumbup:
I can understand that. Thanks! :smile:
Sorry but I'm not seeing the clear link between Stan's results and Pro1. Appleton won the US Open using the SEE system so maybe Stan should drop Pro1 and take up SEE instead? Or adopt whatever aiming system Hohmann or SVB or other champions use?
There's far more to becoming a top player than just mastering an aiming system. Numerous other details like how good you are in breaking the rack, playing good safeties, jumping and kicking, and many other factors play a role in how strong a player you will be.
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Jennie:
Careful! In some parts of the country, a "feel shot" is when someone is "hit and run" groped while standing in a crowd, and it happens so fast, she can't do anything about it.
I don't think you want instructions on how to do this, right?
-Sean
LOL! It is also a term used in golf. I think golfers do the ol' feel shot too! They sure as heck don't seem to be looking where they're aiming until the last second.
If I had a choice between Keith's aiming technique, to include his side-armed stroke, and a computer-sniping suckerpuncher, I'd take Keith's aiming methodology every day of the week. :smile:
At the end of the day, there's many ways to target others with snipes on a forum, but I'm sure many of them have very little to do with pool.
JAM, did I "suckerpunch" you? Should I not reply to your posts? Isn't that the point of this forum???? Can you make it through a day without getting offended? I simply replied to what you said and said nothing bad about you or Keith. As far as I know, its not public knowledge as to how keith aimed... we just know he saw lines very well.
Yeah, i know. So spidey is a Stan groupie. Who doesn't know that? No big deal.
If someone wanted to snipe back, they could have easily started a thread, STAN LOSES TO NON CTEers
or GHOSTBALL WINS THE U.S. OPEN! Or something like DARYL P. and ALEX P., THE SUPERIORITY OF FEEL SHOOTING IN TOURNAMENT PLAY. Or some other CTE SUCKS THREAD right back in CTErs faces. But why bother?Groupies, yes men, and pundits, will always be there.
Usually, those are the guys who will never rise over a certain level, who live vicariously though the people they worship.
I know CTEers that suck, and i know CTEers that play great. I also know people who just aim and shoot who suck, and aim and shoot guys who play great. What difference does it make?
Fact is, just because the thread started with spidey and his pom poms jumping up and down, doesn't mean that Stan doesn't deserve some credit.
Stan is the one who pulled the trigger and played position and safeties, the guy who broke the balls, and the guy who judged the table and rail speed. Aiming isn't going to teach you all those other things, i don't care HOW you aim.
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The link is that Stan will tell you that being able to aim, that is to get down on the ball with the stick properly aimed at the cue ball on the exact line to make it go to the right spot on the object ball is a major foundation of playing good pool.
Of course there is much more to being a complete player than that.
So using ProOne as a cornerstone of his game Stan Shuffett went to the US Open and competed while also sponsoring the event as well. Thus by him competing he actually had a lot riding on the performance. Go out early and it's a major blow to his credibility as far as the aiming method he teaches goes.
But he didn't. He performed well using his aiming method coupled with solid fundamentals, which he also teaches. For a part-time player that's not a bad run and lends a lot of credibility to what he sells.
In pool we tend to respect the player who bets their own a little more than the one who is always looking to get staked. Stan bet his own and it paid off.
As far as emulating what any other player is doing I say yes you should. If you can copy Alex, Earl, Putnam, Archer etc.... then do it. You should try to emulate successful people. But can you tell how they are thinking by watching them play? Do you know what Alex thinks as he is moving into the shot? I don't. I know what Rodney thinks because he told me when I asked him. But had I just observed him then I woudn't know.
I tried to play like Strickland just running around the table firing balls in from everywhere. And I did look like Strickland for a while except for the firing balls in part. I forgot that by the time I first saw Strickland play he already had 15 years of experience on the table to get to the point where he could make it look so easy.
So yeah, don't copy Stan. Copy Appleton. But apparently both of them have something good going for them so I look up to either one of them and feel like going to play some.
I would submit that mastering an aiming system means you are pretty far along towards becoming a very good player.
For sure. When I was hitting 'em on a regular basis, I always used to favor bottom english for some reason. I'm not sure why, but I just seemed to control whitey better.
Then I saw pro players using more english than I could ever imagine, mastering it perfectly, making the cueball go where they wanted. Their aiming methods seem to come natural, like the so-called "feel" shots.
The best player, though, requires very little english or aiming methodologies if they're proficient in leaving themselves good shots, much like the chess player thinking four, five, six move ahead.
I wonder how many shots ahead the pros can do.
Heck, I can't even see the pockets anymore without glasses. :embarrassed2:
Yeah, i know. So spidey is a Stan groupie. Who doesn't know that? No big deal.
If someone wanted to snipe back, they could have easily started a thread, STAN LOSES TO NON CTEers
Groupies, yes men, and pundits, will always be there.
Usually, those are the guys who will never rise over a certain level, who live vicariously though the people they worship.
I know CTEers that suck, and i know CTEers that play great. I also know people who just aim and shoot who suck, and aim and shoot guys who play great. What difference does it make?
Fact is, just because the thread started with spidey and his pom poms jumping up and down, doesn't mean that Stan doesn't deserve some credit.
Stan is the one who pulled the trigger and played position and safeties, the guy who broke the balls, and the guy who judged the table and rail speed. Aiming isn't going to teach you all those other things, i don't care HOW you aim.
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My point was not so much whether someone's a "groupie," but rather they reap what they sow. They put bait out there, and then whine and complain when the bait is taken. They whine and complain how certain aiming systems CONTINUALLY get derided here on AZB, when they are themselves their own instigators. Some use blue marque-sized fonts to not only engage and continue the hostilities, but even to leverage their own salesmanship (i.e. "day job") to continue baiting.
Players that have reached a certain point of proficiency know there is so much more to being a good player than merely aiming alone. They know that being fixated on aiming systems (especially when trying to "root" them as the "foundation" for "good play") only hobbles the player. The old saying applies: "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Indeed, no matter the "aiming system," there are good and bad players using it.
Stan understands this, and is the well-rounded player. He proved that in spades with his performance at the U.S. Open.
-Sean
1. Every CTE/Pro One user that I know has ALWAYS said that there is much more to playing good pool than just aiming well.
2. No CTE/Pro One user that I know is fixated on it because they all know that in addition to great aiming that you can get from it, you need dozens of other things to complement the good aiming and alignment that you get from CTE/Pro One.
Sean, for the most part, CTE/Pro One users as well as the person who refined CTE (Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett) continue to receive attacks and ridiculing from naysayers and that is the basis for any thumbing in the eye that you or they might perceive.
If the people who don't believe in CTE/Pro One would just go about their own personal business, everything would be just fine, but NO, they have to tell everyone else how they should be aiming and what aiming system they should be using. CTE/Pro One users don't tell others that they shouldn't be using ghost ball, contact aiming or any other aiming system. They just leave it up to the other people to use whatever they prefer using. Why can't naysayers leave CTE/Pro One alone? I'll answer that one for you. Naysayers have dug themselves a hole, a deep one. They've said some very derogatory things about CTE/Pro One and now they've been proven wrong and they can't stop putting "doggie do-do", wherever they see CTE/Pro One. It's really PATHETIC.
When Lou comes on this forum and into STAN'S THREAD and tells people to "NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT CTE/Pro1", it makes me want to throw up.
CTE/Pro1 is one of the many things that is, about Stan Shuffett and if Lou doesn't like it, he should shush his ownself.
To come on a thread about Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett and to suggest that others shouldn't discuss CTE/Pro One is contemptuous at best.
When the attacks and ridiculing on CTE/Pro One and Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett are discontinued, there won't be any need to "engage and continue the hostilities" THAT THE NAYSAYERS KEEP STARTING.
1. Every CTE/Pro One user that I know has ALWAYS said that there is much more to playing good pool than just aiming well.
2. No CTE/Pro One user that I know is fixated on it because they all know that in addition to great aiming that you can get from it, you need dozens of other things to complement the good aiming and alignment that you get from CTE/Pro One.
Sean, for the most part, CTE/Pro One users as well as the person who refined CTE (Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett) continue to receive attacks and ridiculing from naysayers and that is the basis for any thumbing in the eye that you or they might perceive.
If the people who don't believe in CTE/Pro One would just go about their own personal business, everything would be just fine, but NO, they have to tell everyone else how they should be aiming and what aiming system they should be using. CTE/Pro One users don't tell others that they shouldn't be using ghost ball, contact aiming or any other aiming system. They just leave it up to the other people to use whatever they prefer using. Why can't naysayers leave CTE/Pro One alone? I'll answer that one for you. Naysayers have dug themselves a hole, a deep one. They've said some very derogatory things about CTE/Pro One and now they've been proven wrong and they can't stop putting "doggie do-do", wherever they see CTE/Pro One. It's really PATHETIC.
When Lou comes on this forum and into STAN'S THREAD and tells people to "NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT CTE/Pro1", it makes me want to throw up.
CTE/Pro1 is one of the many things that is, about Stan Shuffett and if Lou doesn't like it, he should shush his ownself.
To come on a thread about Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett and to suggest that others shouldn't discuss CTE/Pro One is contemptuous at best.
When the attacks and ridiculing on CTE/Pro One and Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett are discontinued, there won't be any need to "engage and continue the hostilities" THAT THE NAYSAYERS KEEP STARTING.
Do you ever take your head out of your ass for some fresh air?
1. Every CTE/Pro One user that I know has ALWAYS said that there is much more to playing good pool than just aiming well.
2. No CTE/Pro One user that I know is fixated on it because they all know that in addition to great aiming that you can get from it, you need dozens of other things to complement the good aiming and alignment that you get from CTE/Pro One.
Sean, for the most part, CTE/Pro One users as well as the person who refined CTE (Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett) continue to receive attacks and ridiculing from naysayers and that is the basis for any thumbing in the eye that you or they might perceive.
If the people who don't believe in CTE/Pro One would just go about their own personal business, everything would be just fine, but NO, they have to tell everyone else how they should be aiming and what aiming system they should be using. CTE/Pro One users don't tell others that they shouldn't be using ghost ball, contact aiming or any other aiming system. They just leave it up to the other people to use whatever they prefer using. Why can't naysayers leave CTE/Pro One alone? I'll answer that one for you. Naysayers have dug themselves a hole, a deep one. They've said some very derogatory things about CTE/Pro One and now they've been proven wrong and they can't stop putting "doggie do-do", wherever they see CTE/Pro One. It's really PATHETIC.
When Lou comes on this forum and into STAN'S THREAD and tells people to "NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT CTE/Pro1", it makes me want to throw up.
CTE/Pro1 is one of the many things that is, about Stan Shuffett and if Lou doesn't like it, he should shush his ownself.
To come on a thread about Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett and to suggest that others shouldn't discuss CTE/Pro One is contemptuous at best.
When the attacks and ridiculing on CTE/Pro One and Stan "THE MAN" Shuffett are discontinued, there won't be any need to "engage and continue the hostilities" THAT THE NAYSAYERS KEEP STARTING.
You guys are certainly free to discuss anything you want in any given thread. But if the OP and you truly had Stan's best interests at heart -- and wanted him to receive the praise he deserves, with nary a discouraging word -- you would have kept it to: way to go Stan for a great showing at the Open. And then you'd a had three or four pages of laudatory comments.
But no.
You don't have Stan's best interests at heart. You, and Spider, are the haters. You sacrificed Stan's good name and efforts at the Open on the altar of your aiming system so you could get your rocks off. You had to use his performance to tout an aiming system, purposely poking people in the eye and reopening a subject that has led to more blood-letting on this and other forums than just about any other, because you guys are the little dogs that like to instigate the scrum and then innocently sit on the side lines going: tsk, tsk, tsk.
Stan needs to look around at his supporters and see them for what they are. You and Spider make a pretty ugly pair as far as friends go.
Lou Figueroa
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