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Yeah your right :lol:
Sometimes I get carried away with it but I have a huge sense of pride and I felt that took a huge hit this past monday
Maybe I should take up knitting or table tennis
Just found our Local bylaws 
Here's the ruling that got twisted for this guy to pull this cock-o-mainy BS...
d. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a cue ball in motion, when shooting at any ball, is a LOSS OF GAME foul. A loss of game foul is entered on the score sheet in this manner:
1. Add 1 inning to the game.
2. The non-shooter receives credit for all balls still on the table.
3. The non-shooter breaks the next rack.
e. Both players must wait for the cue ball to come to a complete stop before touching it. EVEN THE INCOMING SHOOTER must wait for it to stop! If the incoming shooter touches the cue ball before it stops, it will be a ball-in-hand foul for the player that just shot.
f. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a single object ball in motion, including the 9-ball, is a ball-in-hand foul. Object balls other than the 9-ball that are pocketed as a result of this stay down and are added to the opponent player’s total score. If the 9-ball is pocketed it is spotted immediately.
g. Altering the path of more than one object ball is loss of game. This situation is scored as in e above.
The cueball was at rest and the 5 ball was moving.. So as the Operator stated earlier... The guy was a low level cheat :nono:
Here's the ruling that got twisted for this guy to pull this cock-o-mainy BS...d. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a cue ball in motion, when shooting at any ball, is a LOSS OF GAME foul. A loss of game foul is entered on the score sheet in this manner:
1. Add 1 inning to the game.
2. The non-shooter receives credit for all balls still on the table.
3. The non-shooter breaks the next rack.
e. Both players must wait for the cue ball to come to a complete stop before touching it. EVEN THE INCOMING SHOOTER must wait for it to stop! If the incoming shooter touches the cue ball before it stops, it will be a ball-in-hand foul for the player that just shot.
f. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a single object ball in motion, including the 9-ball, is a ball-in-hand foul. Object balls other than the 9-ball that are pocketed as a result of this stay down and are added to the opponent player’s total score. If the 9-ball is pocketed it is spotted immediately.
g. Altering the path of more than one object ball is loss of game. This situation is scored as in e above.
The cueball was at rest and the 5 ball was moving.. So as the Operator stated earlier... The guy was a low level cheat :nono:
JC
Coos Cues
It doesn't matter if he was wrong in the penalty that was meted out. You were wrong to pick up the cue ball. Period. Had you not done that nothing you are *****ing about would have then occurred. Picking up the cue ball is against the rules. You broke the rules. And from the sound of it you didn't learn from it. Pretty sad.
Rule breaking or not the guy was being a royal c*ck and thats the end of it. You can bang on all you want about rules this and rules that..
Like I said above there's always one on here that has to defend a guy that was being a straight arsehole and that sir; is you which is what's truly sad :shakehead:
When I played APA I used to make up rules all the time, like, since it's Tuesday and there is no moon, you can't shoot at balls that fall within the shadow of the cueball unless you have no feet on the ground.
I never followed through with taking BIH but man you should see the wheels (and pages) turning, trying to figure out what I just said and if it's really legal.
I never followed through with taking BIH but man you should see the wheels (and pages) turning, trying to figure out what I just said and if it's really legal.
I know what you mean. Was this the same girl that, if you took her to McDonalds, you would quickly run outside, look up, and watch the "xx Billions Served" sign change?
-Sean
JC
Coos Cues
I'm not defending him. He's a zit for doing that. A useless carbuncle on the ass of pool. In this life however we cannot control others but we can control ourselves if we choose to. Figure this out and you won't get so upset by stuff like this because you will understand your part in it and smile.
"You can learn more about a man in an anonymous forum post than in a year of conversation."
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Just found our Local bylaws
d. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a cue ball in motion, when shooting at any ball, is a LOSS OF GAME foul. A loss of game foul is entered on the score sheet in this manner:
1. Add 1 inning to the game.
2. The non-shooter receives credit for all balls still on the table.
3. The non-shooter breaks the next rack.
e. Both players must wait for the cue ball to come to a complete stop before touching it. EVEN THE INCOMING SHOOTER must wait for it to stop! If the incoming shooter touches the cue ball before it stops, it will be a ball-in-hand foul for the player that just shot.
f. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a single object ball in motion, including the 9-ball, is a ball-in-hand foul. Object balls other than the 9-ball that are pocketed as a result of this stay down and are added to the opponent player’s total score. If the 9-ball is pocketed it is spotted immediately.
g. Altering the path of more than one object ball is loss of game. This situation is scored as in e above.
The cueball was at rest and the 5 ball was moving.. So as the Operator stated earlier... The guy was a low level cheat :nono:
Well JJ all I can say is something was clarified for me, but by the rules he still would have received BIH, which is bad but definately not 8 points. I reccomend calling the office explaining the situation and request a replay of the match. It's close to playoffs and all points count. I don't know your division but I think your D.R. dropped the ball on this.
The whole reason that the loss of game and points thing was instituted in this Region is to avoid agruements about whether a ball was moving or not, the thought process is that with the penalty so high no one would touch the CB in Motion. We live and learn, but for the record this is also one of the rules I even have a hard time with. But, alas it is still in the book.
Black Cat
Well JJ all I can say is something was clarified for me, but by the rules he still would have received BIH, which is bad but definately not 8 points. I reccomend calling the office explaining the situation and request a replay of the match. It's close to playoffs and all points count. I don't know your division but I think your D.R. dropped the ball on this.
The whole reason that the loss of game and points thing was instituted in this Region is to avoid agruements about whether a ball was moving or not, the thought process is that with the penalty so high no one would touch the CB in Motion. We live and learn, but for the record this is also one of the rules I even have a hard time with. But, alas it is still in the book.
Black Cat
See post #19 :angry:
I thought our local by laws were crazy...man oh man.I learned along time ago to have all the rules with the team every week..most everyone knows I have the rules,I no have problems with other teams...
The problem I have had of late is,the board will meet an discuss changes to some of the by laws an not get a flyer out in the packets..then the gossip starts..as if these few have some great inside info..sheesh. But I just shake my head an take it to the table.
In your situation the moment you signed an turned in the score sheet,its a done deal.I would have erased the score an reracked..don't touch anything...yeah I know you know.
Have a good week.
The problem I have had of late is,the board will meet an discuss changes to some of the by laws an not get a flyer out in the packets..then the gossip starts..as if these few have some great inside info..sheesh. But I just shake my head an take it to the table.
In your situation the moment you signed an turned in the score sheet,its a done deal.I would have erased the score an reracked..don't touch anything...yeah I know you know.
Have a good week.
i think you have the right perspective on this situation.
i had a huge mental lapse i one of my apa leagues the other night. i was playing one of the better players the other night and we were both on the hill. last rack and i had him with 5 balls left on the table and i was on the 8. i forgot to mark the pocket.
i went to the counter and picked up the marker , came back to the table and laid it down beside me and reached over and made a straight in shot in the side pocket on the 8.
the opposing team starts cheering that they won. i go wtf? my opponent who was standing behind me said you forgot to mark the pocket. i look at the table and see the marker on the rail beside me, it was not near any pocket.
i felt they should have gave me the win since it was obvious where the 8 was going, it was 3 inches in front of the pocket i made it in.
no one said anything until after i made the shot. if i had been my opponent i would have asked him to mark the pocket. i would not want to win like that.
all i could do was grin and bear it because even though i had a huge mental lapse , a rule is a rule and we all have to go by them.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to cheat. In all likelihood he thought he was right. To make matters worse, your own captain thought he was right, too. Did your captain cheat you?
I'm sure Jeanette has had times when she took some action but was mistaken about the rules, too. It doesn't mean she was cheating.
So any time anyone is mistaken about the rules, you think it's cheating and the match should be replayed? All right then, but I think your team will be replaying a lot of matches. Or is it just THIS time, since YOU were the one penalized by the cumulative ignorance of everyone in the room?
Oh, and the part about it being too late? That's in the Team Manual too. There will undoubtedly be disputes, no question about that. The emphasis in this league is to resolve disputes in a sportsmanlike manner, through negotiation and compromise if possible. It sounds like your captain and theirs did the negotiation/compromise part, but you all forgot the sportsmanlike part. In any case, it's the same as in any other sport. If a referee or an umpire makes a bad call, even if they admit to it later, nobody changes the results of the game/match. Sometimes the league issues an apology to the affected team on behalf of the officials, but that's all. In your case, it wasn't even a referee, but it was the people in immediate authority (the captains). Maybe you should demand an apology from them?
Yep, from the rules you posted above it seems like the penalty you incurred should only have been imposed if you touched a moving cue ball.
The cue ball wasn't moving. Therefore, your captains were the ones who made a bad call based on your opponent's incorrect rule interpretation.
Next time know the rules and let your opponent know that your penalty should have been just BIH and to STFU.
As someone else said, make them show it to you in the rules. If they can, lesson learned by you. If not, they loose.