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kybill9

kybill9

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There have been a lot of discussions on meds, taking them, going off, why? I take meds every day for my pain. They work. They were working so well that I quit talking them because I had felt so good for so long. I normally have one or two good days a week, sometimes more. At this time when I quit, it had been several weeks of minimum or little pain. Certainly low enough to tolerate. A few days before leaving on a two week camping trip, my pain came back. The normal, I can't move without severe pain type of pain. To get to my pain management doctor it takes a least three day notice and then it takes two weeks for my specialized morphine to be delivered. I went to my normal personal doctor for pain medication. She does not believe in treating pain with medications and over a long term, she is correct. She gave me some weak vicodin. Lots of pain during the trip and I barely made it back and went straight to get treatment. This doctor gave me oxy which works long enough to get my normal meds. Which I take religiously every day now, no matter how good I feel. Thats what happens to people who quit taking their meds. You start feeling you don't need them or the mix is wrong. Excuse me while I take my morning dose.:thumbup::o:grin:
 
I feel for ya Bill. Brain Op in 2001. I started getting headaches. Well, migraines I guess. I started taking 12 to 16 extra strength Tylenol per day and that just kept it at a dull roar.

Finally I went to the Dr. He put me on Oxy. I have elected to go off them for periods of time but the withdrawal symptoms kick in pretty quick.
Thats another story.

I seriously wish I didn't have to take such a strong med to keep the migraines at bay. I did see a pain management spec once. He put me on a cocktail of 4 or 5 different drugs. Another story there.

Probably will shorten my life span somewhat but at least I have a pretty decent quality of life now. Thats about it in a nut shell.
I wake up every morning feeling like I have the worlds worse hang over. Pop an Oxy, poof, all gone.

I often wish that just for one day, I would know what it feels like to have just one normal day without pain or without having to take
Oxy to feel normal.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
I feel for ya Bill. Brain Op in 2001. I started getting headaches. Well, migraines I guess. I started taking 12 to 16 extra strength Tylenol per day and that just kept it at a dull roar.

Finally I went to the Dr. He put me on Oxy. I have elected to go off them for periods of time but the withdrawal symptoms kick in pretty quick.
Thats another story.

I seriously wish I didn't have to take such a strong med to keep the migraines at bay. I did see a pain management spec once. He put me on a cocktail of 4 or 5 different drugs. Another story there.

Probably will shorten my life span somewhat but at least I have a pretty decent quality of life now. Thats about it in a nut shell.
I wake up every morning feeling like I have the worlds worse hang over. Pop an Oxy, poof, all gone.

I often wish that just for one day, I would know what it feels like to have just one normal day without pain or without having to take
Oxy to feel normal.
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For about three years I was on Fentanyl patches, 75, oxy, and 10g vicodin. Regular family Doctors prescribe pain medications and over long term fail. My morphine is directed towards the receptors in my back and affects nothing else. If your going to a pain management doctor, ask them about using Botox.
 
If you come off any strong pain med- percs or higher that u been taking a long time, every pain you have is multiplied 10x for at least a week besides other terrible symptoms. I f u can get by that period, u'd might be surprised that your pain is not as bad as you thought. For many people the cure (pain meds) is worse than the disease. They were for me for sure. Right now i have the worst pain of my life, frozen shoulder + torn rotator cuff and im taking Advil only.
 
Can totally relate to this...desk job...myofascial tear in neck that runs into back. Gabentin at night and Tramadol during the day. Gabapentin to block the nerves at night and help (very minimally I might add) keep me asleep when I fall asleep and the Tramadol to help for the pain of sitting in a chair at the desk job. It does help to an extent along with a Tens Unit for really bad days. On a brighter side they did up the dosage a bit on the daytime Tramadol and add working out at the gym helps control the pain a bit more. Too bad no fix in sight since there is no surgery for a muscle problem like this :(.
 
cleary said:
I don't understand what this has to do with pool.
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For me personally bending over or turning the head in certain direction provides some discomfort when shooting...not sure with the OP though. Play through the pain!
 
Here is my view on meds....Some people need them and others like me abuse them. They are a great TEMPORARY fix. But after a while it is just maintenance. How do I know.... The damn hard way
 
cleary said:
I don't understand what this has to do with pool.
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Apparently because people were suggesting that Earl needs to get on some meds to control his crazy ass behavior, which (of course) directly leads into what pain pills Bill takes.

Try and keep up Cleary.....
 
MahnaMahna said:
Apparently because people were suggesting that Earl needs to get on some meds to control his crazy ass behavior, which (of course) directly leads into what pain pills Bill takes.

Try and keep up Cleary.....
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I was getting a little lost myself but your post made all the pieces snap right together.

Trying to tie it all back together...I have a issue, after living with the problem till it was too much, I got relief thru meds and can now play the game I love again.

Identify the problem, find a solution, put said solution in effect, enjoy.

Or one could deny there is a problem, therefore no need for a solution, spend the additional time at the yoga class trying to loosen the a$$ muscles for the next attempt at extracting your head from there.:D

Sent from my phone. Lucky you, you get the abbreviated version. :D
 
What does it have to do with pool?
Nothing, other than we are all players and enthusiasts that share a common denominator, pain and pain management that allow us to have a certain quality of life and enables us to enjoy the sport further.
Sheet, I'm going to be playing pool if I have to bring a walker to the table.
As long as I'm not pooping my pants in public, Ima gonna to be playing.
 
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I have a bad back. Bulging disk. I can't play pool for more than an hour without it getting really aggravated. Then if I push it I am debilitated the next day.

If I take some pain pills then I am ok and I can take a half in the morning and a half in the evening to dull it enough to get through the day and it's good. Then after a few days I don't need it as the pain subsides.

This is why I can't play long sessions anymore. Playing all night just about kills me. But the downside to pain meds is of course that if you play on them then you had better hope that the mix is right because you can either be jacked up and hyper, calm and lethargic or just right, alert and focused.

I don't like playing on pain meds. I prefer to win or lose with no "help" at all. But sometimes I want to play and it would be virtually impossible without something to block the pain.
 
JB Cases said:
I have a bad back. Bulging disk. I can't play pool for more than an hour without it getting really aggravated. Then if I push it I am debilitated the next day.

If I take some pain pills then I am ok and I can take a half in the morning and a half in the evening to dull it enough to get through the day and it's good. Then after a few days I don't need it as the pain subsides.

This is why I can't play long sessions anymore. Playing all night just about kills me. But the downside to pain meds is of course that if you play on them then you had better hope that the mix is right because you can either be jacked up and hyper, calm and lethargic or just right, alert and focused.

I don't like playing on pain meds. I prefer to win or lose with no "help" at all. But sometimes I want to play and it would be virtually impossible without something to block the pain.
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Go to a pain management specialist. Ask them for Botox. Relaxes the muscles so they dont spasm. Buprenorhine. Morphine angst that sets on the back receptors with drug effects. I took Fentanyl for years and lost thousands. I finally had to quit playing until I got the morphine.
 
kybill9 said:
Go to a pain management specialist. Ask them for Botox. Relaxes the muscles so they dont spasm. Buprenorhine. Morphine angst that sets on the back receptors with drug effects. I took Fentanyl for years and lost thousands. I finally had to quit playing until I got the morphine.
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I was not opioid-tolerant and was prescribed Fentanyl (brand name DURAGESIC ) the very 1st time I went in to try and get some help. I tried the lowest dose they had. Fentanyl is given in the form of a patch that you're to wear for 3 days at a time which slowly releases the meds over that time frame.

Fentanyl is the most powerful pain med there is, being 100 times more stronger then morphine. Of course people looking to get high figured out that by cutting it up and getting at the gel in the there, they could smoke it or just chew it. Needless to say, there were many a user looking for a high, that died of respiratory depression. That is one drug you don't mess around with. Throw in the fact that they actually had a recall on a batch of them, because it had a defect that released more of the drug then it was supposed to.

It was too damn scary of a drug for me, but the main reason I gave up on it early on, was that it knocked me out. I could barely keep awake at work on that stuff. Plus you can forget about having a few beers once in awhile. Since you have to wear it constantly, you always have the stuff in your system and the last thing a person wants to worry about is to die in their sleep because their respiratory system shuts down.

The lowest dose is 12.5 µg/hr. Hard to imagine the people that take 100 µg/hr. Anyone new to this drug, I encourage to do some serious reading up about it. It is not a drug to take lightly and if you're one of those people trying to find some way to get high, I suggest you look elsewhere.

Anyone going to pain dr, they're going to be prescribed Ultram (Tramadol) and/or Gabapentin (Neurontin) first. These did absolutely nothing for me. Ultram is not a Schedule II drug, so they want to push that stuff on you first.

It's a damn shame that people decided to use pain meds to abuse as a way to catch some kind of buzz. This has resulted in the entire medical industry scared to death to prescribe pain meds to patients that truly need them. Everyone now is labelled a drug seeker right off the bat. You need to convince them you're not. That is the reason I held off for so many years, because I didn't want to go thru all that.

The whole process is made to make the legitiate patient feel shame for asking for relief. Everyone from the Dr. to the nurses, to the pharmacies, all look at you as if you're a drug seeker. That is the stigma attached now to a patient in chronic pain.
 
Everyone now is labelled a drug seeker right off the bat. You need to convince them you're not. That is the reason I held off for so many years, because I didn't want to go thru all that.

The whole process is made to make the legitiate patient feel shame for asking for relief. Everyone from the Dr. to the nurses, to the pharmacies, all look at you as if you're a drug seeker. That is the stigma attached now to a patient in chronic pain.
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Hmmm. Now theres a page right out of my book. We actually had narcotic officers going around and scaring the heck out of the Dr.s where I live.
After having a family Dr. for years, he was scared to prescribe meds for me.
That was after a well respected neuro surgeon who also practiced pain management sent my Dr a letter of recommend.
Really. After a near debilitating brain op and I have nothing better to do with my life than become a drug addict.
I was darn grateful to be alive. That was the last thing I was going to do, become an addict and harm myself.

The first pain management Dr put me on a cocktail of 5 different drugs. Ante anxieties etc, you name it.
I couldn't get myself out of bed and when I did, I was paranoid to go outside and run into other people.
One week of that and the meds went into the dumpster.
 
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kybill9 said:
Go to a pain management specialist. Ask them for Botox. Relaxes the muscles so they dont spasm. Buprenorhine. Morphine angst that sets on the back receptors with drug effects. I took Fentanyl for years and lost thousands. I finally had to quit playing until I got the morphine.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I live in China though and the doctors here prescribe Tiger Balm, deep tissue massage and heated glass cups and acupuncture.

Trying to get a pain pill of any kind from a Chinese doctor is like trying to celebrate the 4th of July in Tianamen Square. It's not going to happen. Pain specialists here are experts in inflicting pain not relieving it. I tried to explain that I have a problem that is not fixable with massage and heated cups but they won't hear of it. They refuse to take x-rays to see it for themselves.

So I am out of luck so far in China with this issue. I can only get pain pills when my dad sends me some. Maybe next time I am in the states I will make an appointment and ask about your suggestions. I do try to stay away from the pills and opiates because I don't want to be addicted and I also feel that if I lose weight and stretch I will be able to alleviate most of the daily pain. It's not easy for my spine to carry an extra 30lbs of belly fat around every day.

This thread reminds me that I need to get that inversion table.
 
"CaliRed". said:
I was not opioid-tolerant and was prescribed Fentanyl (brand name DURAGESIC ) the very 1st time I went in to try and get some help. I tried the lowest dose they had. Fentanyl is given in the form of a patch that you're to wear for 3 days at a time which slowly releases the meds over that time frame.

Fentanyl is the most powerful pain med there is, being 100 times more stronger then morphine. Of course people looking to get high figured out that by cutting it up and getting at the gel in the there, they could smoke it or just chew it. Needless to say, there were many a user looking for a high, that died of respiratory depression. That is one drug you don't mess around with. Throw in the fact that they actually had a recall on a batch of them, because it had a defect that released more of the drug then it was supposed to.

It was too damn scary of a drug for me, but the main reason I gave up on it early on, was that it knocked me out. I could barely keep awake at work on that stuff. Plus you can forget about having a few beers once in awhile. Since you have to wear it constantly, you always have the stuff in your system and the last thing a person wants to worry about is to die in their sleep because their respiratory system shuts down.

The lowest dose is 12.5 µg/hr. Hard to imagine the people that take 100 µg/hr. Anyone new to this drug, I encourage to do some serious reading up about it. It is not a drug to take lightly and if you're one of those people trying to find some way to get high, I suggest you look elsewhere.

Anyone going to pain dr, they're going to be prescribed Ultram (Tramadol) and/or Gabapentin (Neurontin) first. These did absolutely nothing for me. Ultram is not a Schedule II drug, so they want to push that stuff on you first.

It's a damn shame that people decided to use pain meds to abuse as a way to catch some kind of buzz. This has resulted in the entire medical industry scared to death to prescribe pain meds to patients that truly need them. Everyone now is labelled a drug seeker right off the bat. You need to convince them you're not. That is the reason I held off for so many years, because I didn't want to go thru all that.

The whole process is made to make the legitiate patient feel shame for asking for relief. Everyone from the Dr. to the nurses, to the pharmacies, all look at you as if you're a drug seeker. That is the stigma attached now to a patient in chronic pain.
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Pain medications are simply titrated differently in the body for those truly dealing with chronic pain. Therefore, they are less likely to become addicted, as one would who is merely abusing the medication to get high. Other countries, such as England, are more understanding of this phenomenon. The DEA can certainly be over zealous in their oversight.

On the issue of pain management, a comprehensive approach is recommended. Exercise as much as can be tolerated - yoga has proven to be very helpful. Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction and clinical hypnosis can be very helpful adjuncts - not a cure but one other tool for the toolbox.

I don't wish to appear self-promoting, but I do have a specialty in treating chronic pain and psychosomatic disorders with clinical hypnosis. I am nationally certified by the only legitimate organization for licensed healthcare professionals (The American Society of Clinical Hypnosis), and am a former president of the North Carolina Society of Clinical Hypnosis. I do have a hypnosis CD called HypnoRelief, which I will make available for any interested AZ'er at a substantial discount. Please IM me if interested.
 
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