Miscues: Hard tip vs. Soft tip..
- Thread starter JoeyA
- Start date
I've always miscued more with softer tips than hard. In fact I thought I was about the only one in the world this happens to, especially with Elkmaster tips.
Good question. I wonder if temp has an effect also?
Well, how about some specifics, like the kind of tips your were and are now playing with?
I remember when the French Champions appeared again, about 20 years ago. There were three versions, reddish brown with a red fiber back, reddish brown without the back, and a gray one. A friend of mine who did tip replacement and I tried all three and loved the way they played. However, every one that we tried we miscued with every two or three shots. We chalked carefully after every shot, too! We finally gave up using them and switched to something else, I don't remember what, may have been LePro.
Looking back on it many years later, I'm still convinced that with a different tip that tip placement may be off just enough to cause a stroke miscue. That is, tip placement combined with a possibly faulty stroke causes the miscues.
Looking back on it many years later, I'm still convinced that with a different tip that tip placement may be off just enough to cause a stroke miscue. That is, tip placement combined with a possibly faulty stroke causes the miscues.
Last edited:
I miscue more with the Kamui soft than my Moori medium for sure. I also am confident that it is my stroke's fault.
Since miscues are the result of a bad stroke mechanic, I say neither
100% agree here-
Sure it perhaps can be a problem by material-but just if you haven t chalked since 20 strokes/shots
I played Kamui hard, med, Moori, Wizard, Le Pro, Triangle etc.- and each one was good. As long as the tip keeps the chalk good, a miscue is just forced by a bad executed stroke.
@JoeyA:
Do you remember when you posted this drawshot, where the CB was at the headrail,and the ob in the cornerpocket? Where you asked in a thread *how far* you/we can draw the cb? I made this shot with a Kamui Black Hard- back to headrail and almost out of the kitchen again
lg
Ingo
Joe Davis said, about 70 years ago, that a good tip should be hard with
a soft epidermis.
I still feel this is true...hard tips keep their shape and a tip-pik or a
Porcupine will keep the surface chalkable.
Another thing worth examining....if the balls are being cleaned too
much with the recommended paste or wax, they may be too slippery.
I've been using a ball cleaner for years with NO cleaning compound.
Too much wax makes the balls play like new...much better if the balls
are broken-in.
One other thing....N'awlins has a lot of moisture.
I found Triangle chalk better than Master in humid conditions.
Shooting off the rail in the UK...I would mis-cue with Master with
a level cuing action...not so with Triangle.
in the recent year I have tried some tips, and I have noticed that I miscue more often using Kamui, I have been hearing all about it from everybody and how good it is, and I thought lets try it out, and even tho it didn't work for me, it doesn't mean that it's not a good tip, it's just not for me, I have tried kamui soft, and kamui SS, in both I either will put more english that I wanted to put, or I would miscue, in both cases it wasn't my cup of tea, so I switched back to what I am used to, and thats a Moori or lepro, usually I play with Moori medium, and I don't miscue all that much, maybe once or twice a week due to bad stroke.
With kamui that I have tried, I would miscue 3 to 5 times a day.
is it because I am not used to it? Maybe, is it because it's soft and I am used to medium? possibly, I really don't know.
With kamui that I have tried, I would miscue 3 to 5 times a day.
is it because I am not used to it? Maybe, is it because it's soft and I am used to medium? possibly, I really don't know.
Joey what brand and hardness of tip were you using before and what brand and hardness tip did you switch to.
Since miscues are the result of a bad stroke mechanic, I say neither
When I miscue I usually can tell right away that I didn't stroke the shot correctly which led to the miscue. I don't think it's the tip as much as it is the stroke as long as you chalk up and your tip is OK.
James
And: is the shape exactly the same? this could be for sure a reason, if it s just a bit different than before.
lg
Ingo
I have been using a hard tip (last 3 years) and when I am practicing at my home table, I only need to chalk once about every 10-15 shots. I might miscue once or twice in 3 hours of practice.
I use a kamui hard on my cue, I find that I miscue very infrequently and always because I'm trying to put too much stuff on the ball. (mostly draw)
While I don't think a tip can cause a miscue, it can either mitigate or amplify the effects of a miscue. Whether hardness has anything to do with this I have no clue.
Other factors that I think would have more of an impact would be how well the tip holds chalk. This MAY have more to do with how porous the leather is as opposed to how hard the tip is.
Interesting topic.
While I don't think a tip can cause a miscue, it can either mitigate or amplify the effects of a miscue. Whether hardness has anything to do with this I have no clue.
Other factors that I think would have more of an impact would be how well the tip holds chalk. This MAY have more to do with how porous the leather is as opposed to how hard the tip is.
Interesting topic.
I have a new Kamui blk soft on one of my shafts and I have miscued with it. However I like the play of my Kamui brown soft on my other shaft. Minimal to no miscues. Because the brown tip has more play and has been shaped down, it is a bit harder now. I have also noticed that my draw shots suffer with a softer tip. Just my .02.
In general I think you miscue more with an imperfect stroke with a hard tip Vs. a soft tip.
There are always variables that come into play
You would need to compare apples to apples - same type maker and same style of tip.
The only soft tip I ever had an issue on miscues with was the Kamui Black.
I know I am not the only one either.
So end result = I don't use them anymore.
Now I use the Kamui brown and I could not happier.
Regardless, I do believe the miscues are all due to an error in our stroke.
There are always variables that come into play
You would need to compare apples to apples - same type maker and same style of tip.
The only soft tip I ever had an issue on miscues with was the Kamui Black.
I know I am not the only one either.
So end result = I don't use them anymore.
Now I use the Kamui brown and I could not happier.
Regardless, I do believe the miscues are all due to an error in our stroke.