A Mosconi Cup Proposal

Our team was just fine as far as its composition.

I look forward to reading how we'd have beaten them if:

a) the races were longer
b) the pockets were tighter
c) we had played ten ball rather than nine ball
d) different players were on the team
e) the European fans hadn't been so boisterous
f) we racked the ball differently or used a different rack
g) we'd played with the "declione the table" option on a miss

....but the real problem is that American players just don't play well enough to snap off many titles these days.

We couldn't even beat a European "B" team of Mark Gray, David Alcaide, Mika Immonen, Thorsten Hohmann, and Huidji See.


No it wasn't "fine" in it's composition. Just for starters: Hatch would have been on the team and CW would *never* have been named captain.

Lou Figueroa
 
It is all fine to sit on the sidelines and wish that things were going your way. It is another thing to take another man's product and say you could do better. If Matchroom hadn't done such a good job of running and promoting this event since it's inception then none of the naysayers would even care what happened. It is after all the 'Mosconi Cup'...not the 'AZBilliards Cup'. Every player on each side EARNED their spot based on criteria set by Matchroom. If Earl had performed better in the necessary points contests then he deserves to be on the team. If other players say that they wouldn't play if he did then THEY should forfeit their spot. To work so hard all year to represent your country and then want to pick or choose your teammates is less than patriotic. Ironic in a country that for the most part is over patriotic.

I am sure that most who post here regularly would welcome a great new series where they can pick and choose the contestants. The idea has been floated a few times before so it is nothing new. Problem is where would you get the International infrastructure that comes with a Matchroom event. If it is just for bragging rights on an internet pool forum then I suppose it would be an easy task. I will even offer to start the ball rolling.

Team 1 - Captain/Coach = Earl
Team 2 - Captain/Coach = Johnny
I have gone with the old guard to afford some rivalry at the outset, and both have the experience to act as mentors. Please...no jokes about either's inability to be capable in this area. They have proven their worth tenfold over the years and the idea is to slug it out in a team environment. It may even give the US players some valuable team practice for next year. Now it is up to the AZ community to sort out who would be on each team. Next problem is who will choose the other team members or whether it will simply be by a barrage of votes...or even if Earl and Johnny are interested in participating.
You should also give it a name.
"The AZBilliards Team Challenge"
If you had Matchroom's power you could lobby for the right to name it after a legendary player. Until that time...tick...tick...tick, call it what it is! The possibilities are endless.

At the moment though...'The Mosconi Cup' is owned by Matchroom and they can run it any way they see fit to :D


As I said in the OP: it will never happen. BUT that doesn't mean we here wouldn't do a better job of selecting our country's team.

Lou Figueroa
 
The main problem this year is not having Nick Varner as captain and it shows. Charlie Williams cant get this team going and whats wrong with SVB never saw him play like this all year
 
Our team was just fine as far as its composition.

I look forward to reading how we'd have beaten them if:

a) the races were longer
b) the pockets were tighter
c) we had played ten ball rather than nine ball
d) different players were on the team
e) the European fans hadn't been so boisterous
f) we racked the ball differently or used a different rack
g) we'd played with the "declione the table" option on a miss

....but the real problem is that American players just don't play well enough to snap off many titles these days.

We couldn't even beat a European "B" team of Mark Gray, David Alcaide, Mika Immonen, Thorsten Hohmann, and Huidji See.


I don`t think you mean it. In your post, I see little bit of sarcasm on some people who keep giving excuses for their poor performance. :thumbup: :cool: :thumbup:
 
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Like a monday night pool league player who after loosing to a guy says to the winner " you want to play some", Mike Dechane after loosing to Chris Melling asks Chriss to play for some money. That was funny.

Mike Dechane calls Chriss Melling a "Bowling ball ". That was funnier!

May be ,Mike forgot that he was a pro player and playing in Pro event representing USA.
Chris responded to Mike in a gentlemanly fashion.:cool:
 
Might want to do a citizenship check on one of those names :-)

Lou Figueroa

Lou and others who question this, Alex would not be running for president here !
He is currently here and has a family of citizens ! I have known Alex for a long time and to me he is American. We played a handful of times in the northeast. And Canada is in North America.

I could make a long list of who plays for who in the pool world but don't want to waste all that time.

Also doesn't BCA can send non-citizens to events world wide instead of our own !
 
Lou and others who question this, Alex would not be running for president here !
He is currently here and has a family of citizens ! I have known Alex for a long time and to me he is American. We played a handful of times in the northeast. And Canada is in North America.

I could make a long list of who plays for who in the pool world but don't want to waste all that time.

Also doesn't BCA can send non-citizens to events world wide instead of our own !

Lets take Canadian players in and call the team "Team America".
 
Correct me if I'm wrong. Don't the American players get a guaranteed sum of cash just for being selected to the team?

If so I suspect there is some stuff going on behind closed doors which doesn't accrue to the benefit of winning.
 
All Matchroom needs to do to really get the best players on both sides is to have points count ONLY in your own country. This way un sponsored players have a better chance of making the team. Johnnyt
 
Correct me if I'm wrong. Don't the American players get a guaranteed sum of cash just for being selected to the team?

If so I suspect there is some stuff going on behind closed doors which doesn't accrue to the benefit of winning.

Yes, all the players have a guarantee. Each player on the winning team last year got $15,000 and each player on the losing team last year got $7,500.

But I have no reason to suspect any "stuff going on behind closed doors." One team is just beating the other team.
 
Yes, all the players have a guarantee. Each player on the winning team last year got $15,000 and each player on the losing team last year got $7,500.

But I have no reason to suspect any "stuff going on behind closed doors." One team is just beating the other team.

The "stuff going on behind closed doors" I was referring to concerns who makes the team and the guaranteed payday.
 
Lets take Canadian players in and call the team "Team America".


Oh hell -- let's include Mexico too. That way we could get Rafael Martinez on the team and watch the European's eyes bug out when he hits a few jump masse kick combo caroms.

Lou Figueroa
the Europeans
love the circus anyway :-)
 
Oh hell -- let's include Mexico too. That way we could get Rafael Martinez on the team and watch the European's eyes bug out when he hits a few jump masse kick combo caroms.

Lou Figueroa
the Europeans
love the circus anyway :-)

lol, novel idea Lou. I like it !
 
We couldn't even beat a European "B" team of Mark Gray, David Alcaide, Mika Immonen, Thorsten Hohmann, and Huidji See.

I do realize i'm a broken record on this (forgive).... but what if each mosconi cup match were a race to 15 and each participant had to put up 10k. It would probably be a heist (if not, prove me wrong europe, please). Almost the entire Europe team is a bunch of drill mongering panzies. I mean they have taken competitive sport and somehow, with the help of "pool," turned it into a compete and utter joke. It isn't about good pool anymore, it is about not missing in a few racks. You know what would have happened to the best one pocket player that ever lived in this format (ronnie allen), he would have lost his ass!! Get a clue everybody. This meant, means, and will continue to mean nothing. Come on over and match it up Ralph, we'll see how good you actually are. The fact that he wont says it all. It would be like if you were a mountain climber, and you were really good (better than anybody) at climbing 20 feet. Who cares.... whole mountains are what matters.
 
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Having read through most of the posts re: the Mosconi Cup the last few weeks and having watched a bit of the stream, I have a modest proposal to make, WHICH I fully realize will never be realized (for any number of political reasons), but here goes anyways:

Let the AZ crew -- as the most interested, unbiased, and knowledgable pool aficionados in this country -- be the one's to decide the composition of the next USA Mosconi Cup team by (not unlike the one pocket.org HOF nomination process) polling, voting, general acclaim, whatever.

Certainly, we could do no worst than the geniuses at Matchroom.

Lou Figueroa

Team Europe takes their Pool game more seriously than US Team, millions of people watch them on their TV networks, A win for them means something, like win for the country. Whereas, Team USA have barley AZ billiard viewers and few others live to cheer for them, maybe not enough juice to get them going... Also do not forget, Darren Appleton just won the US Open, and the Challenge recently, not easy to ignore!
 
I do realize i'm a broken record on this (forgive).... but what if each mosconi cup match were a race to 15 and each participant had to put up 10k. It would probably be a heist (if not, prove me wrong europe, please). Almost the entire Europe team is a bunch of drill mongering panzies. I mean they have taken competitive sport and somehow, with the help of "pool," turned it into a compete and utter joke. It isn't about good pool anymore, it is about not missing in a few racks. You know what would have happened to the best one pocket player that ever lived in this format (ronnie allen), he would have lost his ass!! Get a clue everybody. This meant, means, and will continue to mean nothing. Come on over and match it up Ralph, we'll see how good you actually are. The fact that he wont says it all. It would be like if you were a mountain climber, and you were really good (better than anybody) at climbing 20 feet. Who cares.... whole mountains are what matters.

Sorry pal i am with US Team, but the truth to be told! look at the US Open format who won it two times in a row! Team Europe are dedicated to the sports, nothing else, they are movie stars in their counties.
 
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