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Black Cat 5791

Black Cat 5791

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If the object ball breaks the plane of the rail, but stops short of falling in the pocket and no other ball hit a rail is it a ball in hand foul?

Break out the rule books on this one and research deep.

Let me know.

Black Cat :cool:
 
I say yes if the ball never hit any part of the pocket, assuming the game being played has ball in hand as the penalty for a foul. In 14.1 the penalty is one point and in one pocket the penalty is a ball. The rules are pretty clear, a ball must catch a rail after contact.
 
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It is a foul. A ball must hit a rail or be pocketed after the OB is hit.

But a ball can hit the bottom of the pocket and rebound to the playing surface again and even though it never hit a rail either on the way in or the way out, it is not a foul.
 
Yup it's a foul crappy way to give BIH


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Foul under BCAPL or WSR

It is a foul in BCAPL play. The situation is explicitly covered by BCAPL Applied Ruling 1.19 Situation 3.

Under WSR, you need dig no deeper than the definition of "rail" under WSR 8.1, which does not include breaking the plane of the cushion nose. Since a ball pocketed or rail contact is required for a legal shot, it is a foul.

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Black Cat 5791 said:
If the object ball breaks the plane of the rail, but stops short of falling in the pocket and no other ball hit a rail is it a ball in hand foul?

Break out the rule books on this one and research deep.

Let me know.

Black Cat :cool:
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Related to which, if you have a straight-in and jack up and shoot hard and the ball hits the back of the pocket liner, jumps up in the air and lands back on the table, you have made rail contact even though no cushion was contacted.
 
Great point!

Bob Jewett said:
Related to which, if you have a straight-in and jack up and shoot hard and the ball hits the back of the pocket liner, jumps up in the air and lands back on the table, you have made rail contact even though no cushion was contacted.
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Your point reminded of a great shot made by a legendary player in a Milwaukee 1-hole match many years ago. His opponent had match ball in his own pocket's jaws. The shooter slammed the ball into the back of the pocket and it jumped back over the cue ball (which had stopped dead) and stayed on the table!

Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
 
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