TAR 22 Post-Match with Earl & Joe Rogan

cleary said:
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
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You'd have a hard time convincing me that you didn't eat mostly paint chips as a kid given that you seem to think that if Earl and a few other players had worked free for ESPN we would now be in a new golden age of pool. You're all like a bunch of kids with an imaginary friend.
 
risky biz said:
You'd have a hard time convincing me that you didn't eat mostly paint chips as a kid given that you seem to think that if Earl and a few other players had worked free for ESPN we would now be in a new golden age of pool. You're all like a bunch of kids with an imaginary friend.
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i believe jay said first place was 25K :thumbup: and a lot of times in my business i give product away for free at "first"

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jason said:
Probably 90% will know who Jeanette is, but the will probably refer to her as "that asian chick". Very few if any will know who Alison, Karen or Ga Young are. Unlike you though, most people here know Karen's last name and it isn't (?). :)

Yes, it is true that Jeanette has sex appeal and the public recognizes it, but she also has done well with her personal branding (i.e. the black leather outfits and her nickname "The Black Widow").

Of course the guys won't generate a crowd with a low neckline, but turn the tables. Ask how many women from the WNBA the average person could name. Not many if any I presume.

Exposure good, burning bridges bad.
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900 out of 1,000 random people on the street will know who Jeanette Lee is? And people here say Earl is crazy.

Bottom line: a bunch of nothing. This thread is about how to keep pool from continuing to die.
 
champ2107 said:
i believe jay said first place was 25K :thumbup: and a lot of times in my business i give product away for free at "first"

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We are discussing what the pool players wanted for releasing their image to ESPN for broadcast not what 1st place in the tournament got.
 
risky biz said:
900 out of 1,000 random people on the street will know who Jeanette Lee is? And people here say Earl is crazy.

Bottom line: a bunch of nothing. This thread is about how to keep pool from continuing to die.
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walk away brother...fight another day about something worthy of fighting for :thumbup:
 
risky biz said:
We are discussing what the pool players wanted for releasing their image to ESPN for broadcast not what 1st place in the tournament got.
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they were in no position to ask for anything other than to thank espn for an opportunity to build on something at that point in time.
 
risky biz said:
900 out of 1,000 random people on the street will know who Jeanette Lee is? And people here say Earl is crazy.

Bottom line: a bunch of nothing. This thread is about how to keep pool from continuing to die.
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Yep...just did the survey and exactly 900 out of 1000 pulled knew who she was.

I just played a round of golf too and shot a 17.
 
This kid will still give you the 6. I hope you don't get caught and sent to prison. The boys in there will introduce their edge to your centre (center for the American folk). The free time might improve your game.

Nick
 
Nick B said:
This kid will still give you the 6. I hope you don't get caught and sent to prison. The boys in there will introduce their edge to your centre (center for the American folk). The free time might improve your game.

Nick
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Nicky, you having your crack flashbacks again? i told you a mind is a terrible thing to waste! This champ is to smart to go to prison ;) but i do thank you for the first hand advice you seem to have about prison life, much appreciated and i will try not to follow in your foot steps :thumbup: oh yea and it sounds like they were really "HARD in you" there too ;)
 
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sjm said:
Guess I'll dissent.

Where's the fascination in a man that has blanket disrespect for those who play his sport and similarly rejects those in other sports as well as their sports? This man is mentally ill, and rather than laughing at him, I'll just wish him better times. It's sad for both him and pool when his pathetic act away from the table draws laughs.

On the table, he's one of the all time greats. Off the table, it's another story.
If reality TV's next stop is to institutionalize and capitalize on the mockery of the mentally ill, then these are sad times we live in.

Good luck, Earl, in pool and in life.
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I talked to him for about ten minutes during the BCAPL back in 2010 and he was completely coherent and respectful. He spoke very highly of Mika and a few other players. Watching this, it was like a drunk man's rant. He was completely different when I talked to him.
 
JoeyA said:
Look, I won't try to convince anyone that I am a psychiatrist or even a psychologist but I guess my opinion is just as valid as anyone else who is not a mental health professional.

I've listened to Earl Strickland and Joe Rogan's youtube video and it was entertaining to me.

If anything, this video confirmed for me that Earl is not mentally ill and not "crazy". Earl may be many other things but he is not these, at least not in my opinion.

Personally, I think Earl is trying to become the next Minnesota Fats, using his natural talent, his ability to talk shit, his unseemly inclination to knock other professionals (sometimes even including his own) as well as his ability to see himself as a victim in his own sport which seems to hold him simultaneously in equal amounts of esteem and disdain.

I can only hope that his lifetime of effort will one day compensate him for his dedication to a sport that rewards its athletes so poorly.

Maybe between Ryan Seacrest & Kim Kardashian one of them will see fit to take a shot at producing a TV show with Earl Strickland as the star. That being said, it is not likely to change the world of pool one way or another.
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Exactly. I agree Earl seems to be trying to be the new Minnesota Fats. I've always liked Earl, met him when he was about 17 and living in Baytown, Tx, and I think he is entertaining. But I am entertained most by him when he lets his pool do the talking. And BTW, there will never be another Fats when it comes to talking and story telling.
 
pool is not dead.... everyday on the poolroom you find lots of people playing. In Asia pool is huge and in the USA i don't think is doing that bad. Simply the professional side of pool is dead due bad marketing decisions and because the game itself. I think pool will never be mainstream, its the nature of the game. In order to watch and enjoy pool you need to understand the game and its hardness. A shot which a knowledgeable pool person see as hard is sometime seen as an easy shot for a non-pool person ( example: a long straight in shot with the cueball frozen on the short rail). I never knew a person who is not a pool player that watch pool on youtube. Even some pool players don't watch pool in streaming because they find it boring.
 
risky biz said:
There is as much chance of a future solid demand for watching pool players play pool on television as there is for the Colorado River reversing course. That's why ESPN wasn't willing to pay them one penny. ESPN understands economics and you DON'T.

And what's with the "top dollar" comment? Were you privy to how much the pool players were asking? If you weren't Jay seems to know the details. Maybe he'll share them with us.
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That's why the spelling bee is on ESPN and pool isn't right ?? Because the spelling bee has more participants worldwide and in bars etc. and a solid demand then pool has players worldwide.

You're just trolling or you are a complete fool and I think it is the latter
 
paksat said:
That's why the spelling bee is on ESPN and pool isn't right ?? Because the spelling bee has more participants worldwide and in bars etc. and a solid demand then pool has players worldwide.

You're just trolling or you are a complete fool and I think it is the latter
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If you can see a spelling bee on ESPN but not pool then that should be telling you something- that spelling bees are more popular than pool. As I said earlier- you're the one who doesn't understand economics, not me.

If you want to see a good example of a fool take a look at someone who asserts that pool was ruined by Earl because he wouldn't give his image to ESPN for free, yea so many years ago. Take a reality pill.
 
risky biz said:
You'd have a hard time convincing me that you didn't eat mostly paint chips as a kid given that you seem to think that if Earl and a few other players had worked free for ESPN we would now be in a new golden age of pool. You're all like a bunch of kids with an imaginary friend.
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Earl wasn't asked to "work" for ESPN. That I know of, Earl has zero production abilities or knowledge. I doubt he knows anything about producing, editing or being a coordinator. He would be worthless working for ESPN... he might be an OK intern or production assistant but he shouldn't expect to get much if any money doing that work.

But as far as being ON EPSN... he was playing in a tournament and trying to win that prize fund. That is his work and what he does. EPSN would break even at best with production costs and whatever they put into a prize fund. Giving the players royalties and simply crazy and that would never happen with any other sport.

The more pool can be on tv, the more it can gain a marketable audience. The more it could attract sponsors and actual money down the road. It doesn't just happen out of nowhere. If people are watching, sponsors will follow. Sometimes you gotta get the shitty end of the stick to invest in a future. The players decided they cared more about themselves than pool. I cannot say pool would be doing great now either way, but they certainly didn't help.

I don't even know why I'm bothering, you clearly have no idea how things work in the real world. I do.
 
cleary said:
Earl wasn't asked to "work" for ESPN. That I know of, Earl has zero production abilities or knowledge. I doubt he knows anything about producing, editing or being a coordinator. He would be worthless working for ESPN... he might be an OK intern or production assistant but he shouldn't expect to get much if any money doing that work.

But as far as being ON EPSN... he was playing in a tournament and trying to win that prize fund. That is his work and what he does. EPSN would break even at best with production costs and whatever they put into a prize fund. Giving the players royalties and simply crazy and that would never happen with any other sport.

The more pool can be on tv, the more it can gain a marketable audience. The more it could attract sponsors and actual money down the road. It doesn't just happen out of nowhere. If people are watching, sponsors will follow. Sometimes you gotta get the shitty end of the stick to invest in a future. The players decided they cared more about themselves than pool. I cannot say pool would be doing great now either way, but they certainly didn't help.

I don't even know why I'm bothering, you clearly have no idea how things work in the real world. I do.
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Clearly cleary being in biz with risky biz would be risky.
 
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