this guy deserves the "Earl Strickland, im oblivious to the world around me award"
Ok sideshow - you're right....and since you're smarter than everyone else here and only your opinion is valid you can have the award all to yourself.JO! :angry:
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Ok sideshow - you're right....and since you're smarter than everyone else here and only your opinion is valid you can have the award all to yourself.JO! :angry:
im still waiting for your opinion? it seems your the only one that came into this discussion that's 150+ posts deep and post "whats so absurd about it" don't be dusting off that award just yet friend its staying at your place for a while yet :thumbup:
Good one.....I'll keep it on the shelf for now but once I figure it out.....it's all yours.:grin-square:
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ok when your done with it, im sure i can find another person on here worthy of that award and will present it to them! There is quite the battle for the number 1 contender on here now, Lou figawhatever held it for a long time but Nick B has come on strong lately :thumbup:
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This is so far off base when it comes to comparing the two games it's hard to respond.
If putting were the same as hitting a pool ball into a pocket with your cue, everyone on the PGA Tour would average 1 putt per hole all the time
Let's put it into another perspective:
In golf, on average you get to touch the golf ball 4 times in order to get it to fall into a small cup that's over 400 yards away. While doing so, you're contending with weather (wind, rain, etc), uneven lies, rough, trees, water, bunkers and a ton of other things that can cause your score to sky rocket in 2 seconds.
The pool math-guys love to say how accurate one's stroke must be to make a 8' cut shot. Hitting just a millimeter or two off center should make you miss without adjustment. Now, if you're swinging the golf club 90-100mph and you make a SLIGHT MICRO-FLINCH in any direction, you're either:
- Flubbing/chunking the ball to the point where it's not going past the womens' tee
- Blading the ball to the point where you can kill a goose sitting by the pond near the tee
- Slicing the ball into the rough/sand/trees/water
- Hooking the ball into the rough/sand/trees/water
Now, if you pair the above with the fact that every golf course is TOTALLY different and each individual course plays TOTALLY different on a day-to-day basis based on the weather --- you have a super tough game. For the most part, all pool tables are the same (twice as long as is wide, cloth, round balls, etc). Most equipment is fairly standardized. Golf courses aren't.
I've played golf and pool my entire life and there's no way anyone can convince me that pool is harder. I can beat "almost" anyone in 1 set of most games in pool. There's NO WAY a hobby / amateur-level golfer of the same level can beat a tour player in 1 round on any course.
If Earl thinks pool is so much harder than golf, then why isn't he on the PGA Tour? It's crazy.
Golf is the harder sport to play and there's no question about it.
And the winner is...............
Make no mistake about it. They WOULD go win the US Open if the pockets were just smaller so it would be worth their while.
It's pointless to try to compare one to the other. Attempts are made to compare them because of jealousy. Golf is successful and pool isn't.
In any case, getting back to where the thread kind of veered off to after the Earl-kicking was played out- as I recall, Earl didn't say one was harder than the other. He said that he, as a pool player, had attained a respectable level at golf whereas there weren't any examples of golfers who had reached a respectable level at pool. If someone wants to contradict Earl all they have to do is produce some names but they haven't.
No, he did say that pool was harder than golf. I don't care one way or the other but still- what high level golfer plays pool at a high level?.
This is so far off base when it comes to comparing the two games it's hard to respond.
If putting were the same as hitting a pool ball into a pocket with your cue, everyone on the PGA Tour would average 1 putt per hole all the time
Let's put it into another perspective:
In golf, on average you get to touch the golf ball 4 times in order to get it to fall into a small cup that's over 400 yards away. While doing so, you're contending with weather (wind, rain, etc), uneven lies, rough, trees, water, bunkers and a ton of other things that can cause your score to sky rocket in 2 seconds.
The pool math-guys love to say how accurate one's stroke must be to make a 8' cut shot. Hitting just a millimeter or two off center should make you miss without adjustment. Now, if you're swinging the golf club 90-100mph and you make a SLIGHT MICRO-FLINCH in any direction, you're either:
- Flubbing/chunking the ball to the point where it's not going past the womens' tee
- Blading the ball to the point where you can kill a goose sitting by the pond near the tee
- Slicing the ball into the rough/sand/trees/water
- Hooking the ball into the rough/sand/trees/water
Now, if you pair the above with the fact that every golf course is TOTALLY different and each individual course plays TOTALLY different on a day-to-day basis based on the weather --- you have a super tough game. For the most part, all pool tables are the same (twice as long as is wide, cloth, round balls, etc). Most equipment is fairly standardized. Golf courses aren't.
I've played golf and pool my entire life and there's no way anyone can convince me that pool is harder. I can beat "almost" anyone in 1 set of most games in pool. There's NO WAY a hobby / amateur-level golfer of the same level can beat a tour player in 1 round on any course.
If Earl thinks pool is so much harder than golf, then why isn't he on the PGA Tour? It's crazy.
Golf is the harder sport to play and there's no question about it.
There are just as many variations in pool. They're just different variations. Your cue tip is different every time you hit with it. If it weren't cue tips would last forever. The slightest of variations on the table surface for one shot vs. another. The roundness of one ball vs. another, etc. A long list could be made.
Here's an exercise:
Compare one hole in golf to someone running a nine-ball rack. I'll start it. The nine-ball rack happens a lot faster. A golfer takes all day to play one hole.
probably no golf players care of playing high level pool. Or maybe Woods can give the 5 to Earl... who knows?
Didnt sports illistrated do an article many years ago saying that pool was the hardes game to master of all non physical sports?
Golf is for pretentious suckers. Most people play it because that game is on the radar. And we know how important it is for followers to "look" like they are living life correctly
Kind of like starbucks...
any links or scan of the article please?
according to this article on espn billiards is the easiest sport in the world lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills?sort=total_rank#grid
golf which is the hardest game in the world according to many people is only 51. I think this article is bs.
Time Out Please !!
There have been dozens of threads, and minor flare-ups, when comparing the games of Golf and pool, and even bowling. lol
I love golf, and I honestly believe, had I gotten hooked on it, as young in life as I did pool, I would have been on the Pro tour.
All sports rely on muscle memory, hand-eye coordination, and the intangible levels of talent, heart and instinct, in order to excel.
Let me share with you, something that has stuck with me a long time...It was a comparison, of Golf, Pool and Bowling, by someone who was "pro level" at ALL three sports.
He was a guest on Johnny Carson one night, years ago...His name was Don Cherry, if you look up 'over-achiever' the dictionary, you will see a picture of Don, next to the text.
Don Cherry was a guest that night, because he was riding a crest of success, at his 'day job', which was singer/entertainer..It was common knowledge (at the time) that he was also enjoying modest success, as a golfer on the PGA tour...Lesser known, was the fact that he was a 215 average bowler, and even lesser known, that it would take a top, top level pool player...to beat him at any game on a pool table..
Sorry, I spent so much time setting this up..I have to leave for a few hours, and I will finish when I return...Stay tuned Spider Webb, and others who pooh, poohed the comparison of golf and pool..You may learn something !.
There have been dozens of threads, and minor flare-ups, when comparing the games of Golf and pool, and even bowling. lol
I love golf, and I honestly believe, had I gotten hooked on it, as young in life as I did pool, I would have been on the Pro tour.
All sports rely on muscle memory, hand-eye coordination, and the intangible levels of talent, heart and instinct, in order to excel.
Let me share with you, something that has stuck with me a long time...It was a comparison, of Golf, Pool and Bowling, by someone who was "pro level" at ALL three sports.
He was a guest on Johnny Carson one night, years ago...His name was Don Cherry, if you look up 'over-achiever' the dictionary, you will see a picture of Don, next to the text.
Don Cherry was a guest that night, because he was riding a crest of success, at his 'day job', which was singer/entertainer..It was common knowledge (at the time) that he was also enjoying modest success, as a golfer on the PGA tour...Lesser known, was the fact that he was a 215 average bowler, and even lesser known, that it would take a top, top level pool player...to beat him at any game on a pool table..
Sorry, I spent so much time setting this up..I have to leave for a few hours, and I will finish when I return...Stay tuned Spider Webb, and others who pooh, poohed the comparison of golf and pool..You may learn something !.
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There are NOWHERE near as many variations in pool as in golf. I can run a rack 1 handed. Can you par a hole 1 handed? C'mon.
As a former competative golf pro, I disagree... to win on tour these days, requires precision, and just as much good fortune as anyt other sport... heck nowadays, if you shoot 68 four days in a row to be at 16 UNDER par, you might lose by 5..or more...the guys on Tour are sick...for the last couple years you cant win unless you shoot four rounds in the 60's and at least 2 of those at 65 or better (except for the Majors where they make the course "next level" difficult that the best players in the world struggle.)
My opinion is its not whether one is harder than the other...in ANY pro sport, individual or team, to succeed at the elite levels requires an extremely small error margin...
There have been dozens of threads, and minor flare-ups, when comparing the games of Golf and pool, and even bowling. lol
I love golf, and I honestly believe, had I gotten hooked on it, as young in life as I did pool, I would have been on the Pro tour.
All sports rely on muscle memory, hand-eye coordination, and the intangible levels of heart and instinct, in order to excel.
Let me share with you, something that has stuck with me a long time...It was a comparison, of Golf, Pool and Bowling, by someone who was "pro level" at ALL three sports.
He was a guest on Johnny Carson one night, years ago...His name was Don Cherry, if you look up 'over-achiever' the dictionary, you will see a picture of Don, next to the text.
Don Cherry was a guest that night, because he was riding a crest of success, at his 'day job', which was singer/entertainer..It was common knowledge (at the time) that he was also enjoying modest success, as a golfer on the PGA tour...Lesser known, was the fact that he was a 215 average bowler, and even lesser known, that it would take a top, top level pool player...to beat him at any game on a pool table..
Sorry, I spent so much time setting this up..I have to leave for a few hours, and I will finish when I return...Stay tuned Spider Webb, and others who pooh, poohed the comparison of golf and pool..You may learn something !.
I'll stay tuned, but you're not going to teach me anything. I have a bunch of golf trophies on my shelves and I've won a fair share of pool tournaments.
Most of the comparisons with guys that played many games really didn't play one or more of the games as good as they profess. For example, people say Jackie Gleason was a pro-speed player and that's flat out BS. Conversely, you hear about how Alice Cooper is a JAM-UP golfer. It's simply not true. I've heard of Don Cherry --- regardless of what that guy says, it doesn't mean anything. For every Don Cherry, there are 100 other guys who play pool and golf who think golf is way tougher.
Grady said it best--- no guy has ever played both games at a championship level.
Pool is designed where anyone can win on any day (slopping in the 9 ball, rolls, etc). Golf is designed where the best player always wins.....always.
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Tiger Woods said in an interview once and I'll never forget it......
If you win your local City Tourny and go on to win the State Tourny and are the best in your state.....Then win in maybe a Tri-state tourny and then go on to beat everyone on the East Coast.... Then go move to the West Coast and do the same thing. MAYBE just MAYBE you may be able to play on the PGA...Maybe. Thats how good PGA golfers are.
There are guys here who rack up low 60's at every course here with regularity.....Can't make it on the Hooters Tour.....?!?!
IMO players in both sports at the highest pro level are just ridiculously great at what they do and the majority of us will never, ever be that good. But, imo golf is harder due to it's physical nature. Just my .02
If you win your local City Tourny and go on to win the State Tourny and are the best in your state.....Then win in maybe a Tri-state tourny and then go on to beat everyone on the East Coast.... Then go move to the West Coast and do the same thing. MAYBE just MAYBE you may be able to play on the PGA...Maybe. Thats how good PGA golfers are.
There are guys here who rack up low 60's at every course here with regularity.....Can't make it on the Hooters Tour.....?!?!
IMO players in both sports at the highest pro level are just ridiculously great at what they do and the majority of us will never, ever be that good. But, imo golf is harder due to it's physical nature. Just my .02
Let me try to clarify my thoughts on this subject:
I don't think there is any doubt that golf is more complicated and due to the enormous amount of competition you find in golf it takes much longer to master the skills required to compete at a high level. I don't think that can be debated.
My point is when you compare two players like Ralph Souquet and Tiger Woods and look at the environments they have to play in to win their respective titles -- I just think it is much more difficult for the pool player to make it through a tournament. If Ralph loses his composure for 15 minutes he could be eliminated from a tournament easily. If Tiger does the same thing he could end up with a bogey or two. The golfer has many more oppurtunities to overcome their mistakes.
I admit I'm biased here. I guess it all boils down to how you define "difficult". They are both very difficult games. If you're definition of "difficult" revolves around which swing has the most moving parts - then I think you will always think golf is the more difficult game. I tend to focus more on the precision needed to complete the task. But then again, I don't think the game of darts is more difficult than pool so I guess I'm still open minded on the subject.
Well Spidey, it sounds like you know everything there is to know about...well everything. So I hope I won't bore you with completing my little tale. By the way, do you know my level of play, in my prime ?
Here is the start of my story>>>http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3385682&postcount=171
I doubt you were even born when Don Cherry was prominent..The man was an enigma..Johnny Carson, (as usual) did his homework, and found out, that Don did everything he tried, exceedingly well...He even uncovered his skill at pool and bowling. (and believe me, he could have played Jack Gleason 150 to 50, at 14.1)
Someway, Johnny steered the conversation around, to which game he thought was the most difficult to master...here was his 'very intelligent' response.
Well Johnny, they are all very demanding to learn at a high level...but I would say this, If you took 150 kids, each at their most formative years, and took 50 kids each, and gave them to a highly qualified instructor, at golf, pool and bowling...At maturity, out of those 50 each kids, you would probably get
15-- 200 avg. bowler's...The golf group, Don said..You would probably get 8 or more, scratch golfer's...The pool group..different story, you would be lucky to find even ONE, world class pool player.
Hope you enjoyed this little story, as Mr. Cherry, was no slouch, at any game, and his analysis carried a lot of weight with me.
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Mr. Cherry seemed to give different standards for each game. A 200-average bowler and a scratch golfer are no where near "world class" in their respective games.
What about a pool player that can run 50 in straight pool or is capable of running a 4-pack in 9-ball? I'm sure you'd be able to get a hand full of those out of the 150 kids. Still, that doesn't mean the player is "world class".
pool is harder
both are hard. i have played alot of both. i have acheived a fairly high level of golf(several rounds 68-70). at pool though i just cannot seem to get to an equivelent level. SJD pegged it with Cherry statement - getting to the higher levels - pool is harder.
both are hard. i have played alot of both. i have acheived a fairly high level of golf(several rounds 68-70). at pool though i just cannot seem to get to an equivelent level. SJD pegged it with Cherry statement - getting to the higher levels - pool is harder.
What is the odds on this thread lasting forever. If it last until both sides agree.....It will never end