A long comment on "aiming systems" ...

In my first reply I stated that I was happy to see that Greeks are not the only ones arguing in such an offensive way about pool!! :)
All I'm saying is these threads can be really productive if you leave out the personal comments!
 
Why is there a "we"? And what are "you" trying to win?

P.S. I am not worried at all. Like I said last year.

We Won.

Top instructors teach these systems. Pros use them. People are discussing and learning them. Instructional materials are being created which cover them.

We Won.

The thing about this thread is that it doesn't matter. Nothing you say against them matters but it's still despicable that you continue to try to block people from trying them.
 
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Yes they are, by a long shot. Not in the quality of their play, but in their numbers.

If players today are not better than the players of yesterday, there's something seriously wrong with pool and how it's taught. The standard of snooker player increases each generation exponentially, perhaps. If pool hasn't seen the same degree of improvement, stewards' inquiry required PDQ.
 
Dave, you do have a lot of great stuff out there. You also have a giant goose egg out there. Your limited lines of aim is one for sure. You just can't wrap your noggin around the fact that there are as many lines of aim as there are cb/ob positions, and how CTE takes that into account. Your head is stuck on limited, and you consistently fail to see how a set number of initial setups can give you many different aims. So, in that section, you have posted garbage. That's not taking anything away from the great stuff you do have, but it is very misleading to many because you are held up as an authority figure when it comes to these type of things. This time, your lack of understanding and knowledge has bit you in the rear. And is nothing more than your opinion stated as fact.
Neil,

Thank you for your opinion. I usually agree with most things you write, but I obviously don't agree in this case. Although, I do agree with you that an infinite number of lines of aim can be created with only a few initial alignments. Even a system with only a single "initial alignment" can work for every shot at the table if you can somehow place your bridge hand along the actual required "line of the shot."

Regards,
Dave
 
Have you ever heard of projection?

Check out this case study:

Lou, it's not a matter of you agreeing with my beliefs or not. Frankly, I don't put out stuff that is in question to me, only what I know for a cold hard fact. So, when someone wants to disagree, I just look at it as their loss. It's not the disagreeing that bothers me at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's the way others disagree, and why they disagree.

If say to try such and such, it has really helped my game. I am doing nothing more than trying to help someone else. If someone else comes on says that it didn't work for them, fine, we all are a little different, and maybe a tweak or two would make it work for them. Something hard to do when not in person, so I let it go.

What gets to me is when you get the trolls come on here with the sole goal of sowing discontent and inhibiting knowledge, and trying to look important in their own eyes even though they don't know squat. They feel left out, don't have any knowledge to share, but want to fit in in their minds, so they take a negative side. They haven't even tried what was suggested, but claim to be an expert on the subject. Thereby, making themselves do nothing but look like fools. Then you get the few that if you say you are a democrat, they will be a republican. If you switch to a republican, they will switch to a democrat. They just have to be contrary to anything and everything.
 
All that pivoting, Clueless Lou? The pivoting section on my DVD is only foundational to PRO ONE. Training with pivoting can last a day or a few weeks. If you had really studied and worked with my material, you'd know that. Pivoting has nothing to do with one's real play. In fact there is NO PIVOT at all in CTE. There is only the slightest of rotation because one is offset from the shot line as most every pro is that plays the game.

The whole to key to PRO ONE is the fact that there really is no pivoting in the mechanical sense. It is just see and shoot.

And, for those with the DVD, if you do not like pivoting, go straight to PRO ONE and use the visuals. If you make the shot....then another....you are on your way.

I did not pivot one time at the U.S.Open. I would simply see a shot and shoot.

Learning has a lot to with desire.....and you had zero desire to learn CTE PRO ONE. The same goes for the Randy guy,imo.

Champ has it right...you do not understand.

It is hard for me to understand the make-up of people that just want to tear others down.

I really miss being a bigger part of AZ!!!

Stan Shuffett

Stan, you obviously have no idea how confusing and complicated you have made on your DVD the simple task of aiming. And now you say, "if you do not like pivoting, go straight to PRO ONE and use the visuals". You even go so far as to say, "Pivoting has nothing to do with one's real play. In fact there is NO PIVOT at all in CTE." If that is the case...why did you present the whole concept of pivoting, devoting an entire chapter to it? To confuse people?
Look, like I said I am always looking for additional tools to teach new students how to play this game. I cannot teach something you admit is vague and "does not have anythong to do with one's play". For myself, I have used ghostball successfully for over 50 years. Most pros use it too!
Frankly..I would like a refund for what IMO is a waste of money!:angry:
 
Again, CTE, or any aiming system, can be used to make every shot at the table if you know how to use the system effectively. However, if you follow the instructions for any of the CTE aiming system variations literally and precisely, there will be many shots at the table that won't go. Proof and illustrations of this fact can be found here:
and here:

But again, this doesn't mean you can't use CTE-based systems effectively. Examples of how CTE can be used to pocket every ball at the table are described and illustrated on the CTE evaluation and analysis page. Again, one doesn't need to know this stuff to use CTE effectively, but it does explain "how the system works" when it is used effectively.

I hope that helps,
Dave

Garbage on the site and you and Patrick are wrong. CTE can make all those shot angles without any adjustments.
 
I believe all of these personal comments come from misunderstanding.
If we look calmly into the arguments placed from each side we will find a lot of common ground.
I don't think sceptics really mean "do not try anything new" and system advocates "no danger comes from focusing too much in a system".
If we isolate the data presented these threads are great, it's a pitty to deviate from their use due to personal comments.
People here all love the game, that is a fact, there is really nothing to divide them.
 
Stan, you obviously have no idea how confusing and complicated you have made on your DVD the simple task of aiming. And now you say, "if you do not like pivoting, go straight to PRO ONE and use the visuals". You even go so far as to say, "Pivoting has nothing to do with one's real play. In fact there is NO PIVOT at all in CTE." If that is the case...why did you present the whole concept of pivoting, devoting an entire chapter to it? To confuse people?
Look, like I said I am always looking for additional tools to teach new students how to play this game. I cannot teach something you admit is vague and "does not have anythong to do with one's play". For myself, I have used ghostball successfully for over 50 years. Most pros use it too!
Frankly..I would like a refund for what IMO is a waste of money!:angry:
Most pros use GB, Shane just laughed at GB in his last interview. Pivoting is the way cte was developed but Stan has spent considerable hours refining it so pivoting is not really necessarily used.
 
The pivoting section in my DVD shows one thing, that with proper visuals the shooter is only a slight rotation away from the center Cue ball and the shot line......Once this is understood, it's on to the natural way of shooting, PRO ONE.

With proper study one must surely get this concept.

Stan

Stan, you have already said "In fact there is NO PIVOT at all in CTE." So why would I waste my time studying something that does not exist?
Don't you see how you confuse the issue of aiming?
 
So, if all the systems are geometrically make the ball in the center of the pocket, then the system practitioner still needs to "adjust" for the "collision induced throw" for all the shots.

You guys realize this could be deadly especially when the object ball is far away from the pocket. Plus crazy people are playing this game on 4" or sometimes smaller pockets and it will make it even harder.

And it depends on how far the object ball is away from the pocket the system practitioner has to use the formula towards a certain part of the pocket or sometimes outside of the pocket in order to make the shot.

So, learning the geometrically perfect system isn't enough. You still need to KNOW the shot.

Am I making sense here or am I totally off?
 
Stan, you have already said "In fact there is NO PIVOT at all in CTE." So why would I waste my time studying something that does not exist?
Don't you see how you confuse the issue of aiming?

Words do not teach.....My wording about pivoting only demosnstates that a slight rotation to center cue ball is all that is needed to obtain a shot line.

There is NO PIVOT in PRO ONE, only objective, accurate visuals. Just see and shoot.

Experience is what teaches us and you never bothered to accumulate any experiences with what I presented on my DVD. What you did was minimal as you have only had your DVD for days.

The Pivot is the single most misunderstood aspect about CTE. I discussed that in my DVD.
 
Thanks for your post! I will post more often. I am about learning and education. It's been my career for going on 40 years. It is amazing that a select few feel necessary to try and stifle advancements that have come forth for our game.

Stan

Nobody is trying to stifle advancements. When proponents of your system present it as a shortcut to practicing as JB and Champ have, then I see room for criticism. Your system is no better and maybe no worse than any other system of aiming...if,and that's a big if, the table time necessary to learn the system is made. However, your sytem would require much more table time and a lot more understanding than simpler aiming methods. I would rather see a student spend his table time learning ALL aspects of shot execution, than spending most of his time just learning the simplest task of all...aiming!
 
Or, one could make the case that in pool, the top players reached the pinnacle years ago. In snooker, they are still trying to figure out how to play the game, so they are still improving. One could also say that in snooker, if you can run off ONE rack, you are at the top of the game. Pool got past that years ago, and we go for unlimited amounts of racks.

What an odd reply.
 
Stan, you obviously have no idea how confusing and complicated you have made on your DVD the simple task of aiming. And now you say, "if you do not like pivoting, go straight to PRO ONE and use the visuals". You even go so far as to say, "Pivoting has nothing to do with one's real play. In fact there is NO PIVOT at all in CTE." If that is the case...why did you present the whole concept of pivoting, devoting an entire chapter to it? To confuse people?
Look, like I said I am always looking for additional tools to teach new students how to play this game. I cannot teach something you admit is vague and "does not have anythong to do with one's play". For myself, I have used ghostball successfully for over 50 years. Most pros use it too!
Frankly..I would like a refund for what IMO is a waste of money!:angry:

Aiming is not simple, as Nick Varner says in BD. It is a day in and day out task and a lifelong pursuit of his. I would not tell Nick that aiming is simple.


I presented a strict form of pivoting as foundational material only as I said in my DVD.

Teaching pool with words and numbers is challenging because pool is a visual and physical game. what happens in PRO ONE to eliminate a manual pivot is correct body movement and eye movement.



Pool is a visual game.....the eyes do it all and the body follows.

I have quite simply given visual and physical instruction that has never been given before. You are resisting advancements for our game. That's your choice.
 
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