Its long been debated.......

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Beaten to death if u will.......which is easier or harder to play on? A bar box a 7x4 (which I own) or a regulation size table.? One of if not, the most important shot in pool is the break.....I'm thinking the break on a reg size table would benefit more because the balls are able to spread out in a wider pattern therefore offering a better chance to make more shots.....yes? Or no?
 
Mc775 said:
Beaten to death if u will.......which is easier or harder to play on? A bar box a 7x4 (which I own) or a regulation size table.? One of if not, the most important shot in pool is the break.....I'm thinking the break on a reg size table would benefit more because the balls are able to spread out in a wider pattern therefore offering a better chance to make more shots.....yes? Or no?
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Barbox = 7 x 3.5
8 footer = 8 x 4
9 foot = 9 x 4.5

IMO, Barbox favors the lesser player.
 
For the reason of the break, I think a tight bar box can be just as tough as a 9 footer. Longer shots are tough, but in games like 8 ball, when it is a bad break, the clusters also make it tough. This is all just my own personal opinion. I am anxious to see how others reply. Good thread. I am still fairly new here, so I have not beaten this particular dead horse.

Braden
 
BradenK said:
For the reason of the break, I think a tight bar box can be just as tough as a 9 footer. Longer shots are tough, but in games like 8 ball, when it is a bad break, the clusters also make it tough. This is all just my own personal opinion. I am anxious to see how others reply. Good thread. I am still fairly new here, so I have not beaten this particular dead horse.

Braden
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Me too braden.....hence the thread:D
 
Apples and oranges

The smaller the table and the more balls there are in the game tends to reduce the amount of advantage that a strong player has over a weak player. Too much traffic on a small table with 15 balls makes it tough to run out in 8 ball. Play 7 ball on a 7 footer and the strong player will run out almost every time. Long tables not only provide more room to work, but weaker players are often intimidated by the distance. Expert players will try to shorten distance whenever possible, but the length doesn't really bother them.

I didn't like 8 ball until I started playing it on 9 footers.
 
Mc775 said:
Beaten to death if u will.......which is easier or harder to play on? A bar box a 7x4 (which I own) or a regulation size table.? One of if not, the most important shot in pool is the break.....I'm thinking the break on a reg size table would benefit more because the balls are able to spread out in a wider pattern therefore offering a better chance to make more shots.....yes? Or no?
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Yes, due to the break, 8-ball on a barbox is a formidable game while on a 9 footer it should be outlawed.
 
Sealegs50 said:
The smaller the table and the more balls there are in the game tends to reduce the amount of advantage that a strong player has over a weak player. Too much traffic on a small table with 15 balls makes it tough to run out in 8 ball. Play 7 ball on a 7 footer and the strong player will run out almost every time. Long tables not only provide more room to work, but weaker players are often intimidated by the distance. Expert players will try to shorten distance whenever possible, but the length doesn't really bother them.

I didn't like 8 ball until I started playing it on 9 footers.
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When was the last time you missed a ball on a big table and your opponent ran out the set? Happened to me last week on the bar table...

They're two completely different games. A miss on a big table might cost you 2 or 3 games against a champion. A miss on a barbox will cost 3 or 4 games against an A player. So which one is tougher?
 
7'ers are far easier to play on than a 9'er. That's why you never see 7'ers used for world championship events.

Smaller tables were designed so you can fit more in a bar (coinage) and to make it more fun for the average player.

None one can possibly convince me that 7'ers are tougher and challenge a player more. Nobody cares about clustering when your average shot is 3' long at most.

Smaller tables are equalizers for lesser players.
 
Bar-Box = fish in a barrel......

Bar-Box = fish in a barrel......
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Its much easier to run out ,when coming from a Tournament Regulation 9ft table, then going to a bar table, with tight pockets, or buckets...
 
The Nine!

The Bar Box can be tuff in 8 Ball, But the 9' is tuff in every game..., On a bar box you can have a average break and get by, not on the bog boys table and you better be a shot maker too.

I love the Bar Box, but it aint like the nine
 
King T said:
The Bar Box can be tuff in 8 Ball, But the 9' is tuff in every game..., On a bar box you can have a average break and get by, not on the bog boys table and you better be a shot maker too.

I love the Bar Box, but it aint like the nine
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Um...other way around. On the big table, you can have an average break and still get back to the table. On the barbox, if you don't make a ball, you just lost the game...then your opponent (who has a good break) bnr's the next 2. Now you're down 3 games because your weak break. LOL and then you start talking about how the small track favors the lesser player.
 
DoubleD said:
How can anything 'favor the lesser player'? I can see it narrowing the gap, but it will never favor a lesser player.

If it does, then Efren has action from me all day long--since I am favored to beat him on the barbox. I'll let you be my backer.

dld
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I think maybe he worded it wrong. I think he meant that the lesser player has a better chance on the bar table.

:)
 
Regardless of the increase in congestion, it is my opinion pool is more difficult on a 9 footer, in spite of how much bar table players would like to think otherwise. Keep in mind, the increased traffic on the BB makes it easier to simply duck when you don't have a shot.
 
Anecdotally, I've played in barbox tournaments and I've played on 9 foot tables. I think the 9 foot is far harder. But I'm not a pro.

A few insider opinions I've heard:
- In the biography "Running the Table: The Legend of Kid Delicious", the author states several times that Danny Basavich preferred 9 foot tables and felt that barboxs favored the lessor player.
- In TAR podcast #12 (Feb 8, 2012) they said the barbox is "the great equalizer"

On another note, the guys on Runout Radio have several times talked about barbox and said the game heavily favors offense. The table is smaller but the pockets are the same size as any table. So the ratio of pocket size to rail size is much bigger. That's another way of saying it's easier to make shots on a barbox. Jerry Forsyth spoke of watching players in a pro tournament go for impossible shots and routinely make them. A corollary is that safety play does not pay off on a barbox; it's just too easy to kick or bank and make a shot. I've seen the same when I played barbox tournaments in the 80's. A player would kick into a cut shot. They would never make it on a 9 foot, but on a 7 foot it was plausible.
 
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