Naysayers vs. Yeasayers

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Well, why are any of us here... to chat about pool, no?

More specifically, what about all the guys that keep pushing CTE? Everyone knows how they feel too, but that doesn't stop them from incessantly starting aiming threads and poking naysayers in the eyeballs at every opportunity, now does it? I know, i know it's *the naysayers* who are the bullies, while the CTE taiiban just wants to stone everyone to death who doesn't agree with them.

Joey, Spider, John, Neil, and their chorus line: Champ, Cookie, Petey, Pablo, Mickey, and Murdoch. Please go preach to them about the virtues of silence, first ;-) Then get back to me.

Lou Figueroa

Most aiming system threads are started by Naysayers, WHY IS THAT?
 
Most aiming system threads are started by Naysayers, WHY IS THAT?

I would dispute this statement. Generally they start as a testimonial of Yea. Warm up with a couple of questions. Some veiled snooty comments (I could suffer from this). Then come the inflammatory stuff (you all know who you are). Mile long posts. A couple of incoherent chip in's from the village idiots. Bingo-Bango-Bongo 78 pages fly by.

Nick
 
aiming or sighting?

i haven't spent much time on any of these aiming threads (thank god!) but could it be perhaps that any of the pivoting "aiming" methods are more like "sighting" methods?

from what i can understand they are very good for players to develop a consistant preshot routine, and excellent for eliminating setup errors by ensuring that the player gets the cue started on the correct side of the target line. these are some things that fraction aiming and ghost ball do not address nearly as well.

i use a blend of both, CTE pivoting from a start point, however i still would rather trust fraction aiming from there.

or am i just nuts:D
 
i haven't spent much time on any of these aiming threads (thank god!) but could it be perhaps that any of the pivoting "aiming" methods are more like "sighting" methods?

from what i can understand they are very good for players to develop a consistant preshot routine, and excellent for eliminating setup errors by ensuring that the player gets the cue started on the correct side of the target line. these are some things that fraction aiming and ghost ball do not address nearly as well.

i use a blend of both, CTE pivoting from a start point, however i still would rather trust fraction aiming from there.

or am i just nuts:D

Your not nuts but you would benefit by taking cte to the next level - PRO ONE.
 
I would dispute this statement. Generally they start as a testimonial of Yea. Warm up with a couple of questions. Some veiled snooty comments (I could suffer from this). Then come the inflammatory stuff (you all know who you are). Mile long posts. A couple of incoherent chip in's from the village idiots. Bingo-Bango-Bongo 78 pages fly by.

Nick

Where's your proof, I need to see the math. Are you geometrically correct?
 
This is such a joke!!!! and i blame Dr dave!! they all go to his site and which gives these brainless followers the courage to post shit here!

This goes to show you, you can be highly educated but still be a retard!

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Joey i have a question here for you,after reading so many threads on aiming and diagrams that have been shown and which there has been a lot of good information and i might add some really confusing information.
Can you see why so many people are against aiming methods.
Some of the information in the threads i feel are what is causing this whole stir.(some of it is just wrong)On both sides.Would you agree?

Yep! Any aiming system that has a learning curve of several months JUST to understand it's "aim" is going to confuse a lot of people. Imagine if you spent all that time on a simpler way to aim! There are aiming systems that do not require graphs or diagrams. I do not have to draw Powerpoint presentations for you to understand Ghostball. Nor will you need to buy a DVD, although there are many video resources out there on ghostball that won't cost you a dime! Funny how the GB method of aiming is presented by pros! Who's presenting the other systems?

All you need to do is remember Coke...NEW is not always good!
 
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Seeing an invisible GB may be difficult for some to imagine. What is less difficult to see is where the line from the pocket/target exits the OB and to double that distance from the center of the OB outward. This is something that most shooters can visualize as a point of aim.

This will get the shooter close to the contact point between the OB and CB that sends the OB to the pocket/target unless the they are very close together.

I recommend a bit of outside english to prevent CIT or follow or draw to get the CB to the desired shape.:smile:
 
Shame on you "Champ" It seems you have a bit of a man-crush on the good Doctor.
I hope this isn't too disappointing to the Champ, but the feeling isn't mutual (i.e., I don't have a "man crush" on him). In fact, I might need to approach the authorities to get a restraining order for his inappropriate man-crush stalking. :grin:
 
Yep! Any aiming system that has a learning curve of several months JUST to understand it's "aim" is going to confuse a lot of people. Imagine if you spent all that time on a simpler way to aim! There are aiming systems that do not require graphs or diagrams. I do not have to draw Powerpoint presentations for you to understand Ghostball. Nor will you need to buy a DVD, although there are many video resources out there on ghostball that won't cost you a dime! Funny how the GB method of aiming is presented by pros! Who's presenting the other systems?

All you need to do is remember Coke...NEW is not always good!

Where is the GB, you can't actually see it. Pro's use stick aiming ( SVB), pro one (STEVIE MOORE ), and more. They are open minded to using what works. Most won't even tell you how they aim, why is that ? Because they use what works without requiring graphs or diagrams. They try new things, might not always use them but they go to the table and examine them to see if there worth it.
CTE is learned in minutes. Pro -one takes a little longer. The visuals are real (NO GUESSING ). And it lasts a lifetime. I no longer struggle with playing a good match followed by a bad match an hour or so later. I now have something real to look at and not something imaginary. PRO-ONE has made me consistently good.
 
1. The system works, but the users, believers and those who accept it cannot properly describe or prove it.

2. The system works, but the users & believers have explained it fine, it is the skeptics who cannot grasp it.

3. The system does not work, and the users and believers are wrong.

Here's another possibility:

4. The systems work for the people who can use the systems effectively.

What contributes to the hostile nature of these threads is:
The Naysayer Extremists sometimes fail to appreciate the benefits these systems can offer, and the Yeasayer Extremists are often blind to the realistic limitations of the underlying principles.

I personally believe Theory 4 is the most reasonable and diplomatic, and it has the best chance of gaining acceptance from both Naysayers and Yeasayers ... groups that rarely share any common ground.

May peace, love, and reason exist in future "aiming system" threads.

Regards,
Dave

PS: I know ... I'm a naive optimist. :embarrassed2:
 
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More is often better.

Yep! Any aiming system that has a learning curve of several months JUST to understand it's "aim" is going to confuse a lot of people. Imagine if you spent all that time on a simpler way to aim! There are aiming systems that do not require graphs or diagrams. I do not have to draw Powerpoint presentations for you to understand Ghostball. Nor will you need to buy a DVD, although there are many video resources out there on ghostball that won't cost you a dime! Funny how the GB method of aiming is presented by pros! Who's presenting the other systems?

All you need to do is remember Coke...NEW is not always good!

I've mentioned it before. CTE/Pro1 is more than just a way of aiming. It teaches you how to approach the shot and how to use your eyes to allow your body to follow your eyes as well as how to dial in on exactly what a perfect sight picture should look like.

Simple things like ghost ball are just that, SIMPLE. The only problem is that it takes HAMB (hitting a million balls) for you to become proficient with Ghost Ball. :smile:

I say you teach what you want, others teach what they want. Now WTH is wrong with that?

My thinking is that if an aiming system like CTE/Pro1 fails, it will fail on it's own merits or lack of them. It won't be a bunch of haters using every tactic they can stoop to, to derail the aiming express.

Aiming systems of today are becoming tools that actually teach a person how to completely get in the right spot to see the perfect sight picture, not some simply diagram that shows you where the spot is located.

All you naysayers should get a life and quit trying to tell people what they should be doing or what they shouldn't be doing.

If hitting a million balls is your thing, have at it. I wish when I first started playing pool that there was such a thing as CTE/Pro1 or Perfect Aim.
 
The yeasayers & the naysayers are just like the demos & publicans.... they pony up to one side or another while Pool & the Country is on the brink of extinction.

As for the Country, when people realize they are Americans & the people in charge are not their friends, their allegiance to one political side or the other will vanish. The people in charge are all a menace to your future.

As to Pool Players, they have no hope. The majority can't see the silver in a rain cloud, or the wisdom to be gained from any book or idea. It is our job to find the good in anything, that we perceive as good or bad for us.

JMHO
 
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