Drugs are bad mmmmkay......

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So I get in some really good one pocket action the other night $320 a game and end up five games winner after about 8 hours of play. I had played all night for 30 a game a day before with someone else.

So when I got to the pool room I was already tired. I took half a pain pill to take the edge of of my back pain and played the 8 hours.

So last night I matched up again with the same guy and this time I am really tired after two all nighters and working all day.

So I took a half a pill in the afternoon just to get through the day and another half before dinner and a who one right before the match thinking that this would be a good idea.

um,,,,,, no...........

What happened is that I literally lost ALL feeling for the shots. I was so numb that I could not feel the speed. Night and day to how I plyed the night before.

I literally dogged off 1200 back to the guy when I had the stone nuts. I am the kind of guy who takes a half a pain pill a couple times a week if I REALLY need it - usually after carrying something heavy.

And I barely go play pool anymore and even when I do I NEVER get this kind of action playing one pocket in China.

So I thought I should load up for bear and completely trapped myself.

The sad part is that I was going to make a post about epiphanies and hitting gears. Because the first night I was playing some really good one hole and was totally in control. I was seeing the game at a much higher level and it was awesome. Like a movie playing in my head no matter what the situation I had the right answer floating in front of my eyes........

Grady says don't shoot a shot that you can lose on......
Mike says freeze him to the name plate.....
Efren caroms this one......
Cliff takes a foul here......
Scott Frost would kick this one in (Sorry Scott I passed on your shots)

and so on......

It was an amazing experience to have that happen and be in complete control. I love one pocket but I haven't played it as much as others nor for as much so there is a LOT of experience that I lack and my natural proclivity to want to SHOOT for my hole all the time is hard to suppress. But for some reason all that study of the game manifested itself these past two nights.

So last night even with my diminished capacity I still played some good one hole, just missed more than I should have. One game I was down 7:0 in balls and fought back to the last ball. Unfortunately after battling on that ball for about 20 shots I decided to shoot when I should have ducked and left an easy bank.... that cost me $450 as we had raised the bet by then.

I did win the last two games and managed to contain the damage.

But the moral of the story is do it without drugs. If I hadn't taken those extra pills then I am sure I would have drilled the guy and won another 1600 or more. The guy literally brought a man purse full of cash to play with.

So when I go back it's completely on the natural and then at least I can feel the shots.

Now I REALLY know what it means to "get your mix right". So glad I never went down that road and am getting off at the intersection.
 
JB,

Check out spinal ablation (nerve-burning). I had a terrible back for 30 years. Did the epidural injections, took tons of oxycodone, all that stuff. Nothing helped. There were days on end where I could not get off the floor for any reason. I could not even lift myself up far enough to get a thin foam pad under me. Absolute misery.

Then, about six years ago, I went to a new doctor who suggested that my back was going to hurt forever and what we needed to treat was not the back, but the pain. So I did the nerve burning. I came in on crutches, very slowly. The whole procedure took 20 minutes or so. They lay you down, numb up your back so you feel nothing, then put six needles down into your spine. Wires come out of the needles and cover the nerves (they watch with a fluoroscope). Then they heat the needles and burn away the pain pathways to the brain. I walked out of the room and never used the crutches or canes or walkers again. I feel no nerve pain now from my back. I can run, lift heavy stuff, whatever. I still get muscle pain in the back like everyone does from strain, but no more agony.

Check it out!
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
JB,

Check out spinal ablation (nerve-burning). I had a terrible back for 30 years. Did the epidural injections, took tons of oxycodone, all that stuff. Nothing helped. There were days on end where I could not get off the floor for any reason. I could not even lift myself up far enough to get a thin foam pad under me. Absolute misery.

Then, about six years ago, I went to a new doctor who suggested that my back was going to hurt forever and what we needed to treat was not the back, but the pain. So I did the nerve burning. I came in on crutches, very slowly. The whole procedure took 20 minutes or so. They lay you down, numb up your back so you feel nothing, then put six needles down into your spine. Wires come out of the needles and cover the nerves (they watch with a fluoroscope). Then they heat the needles and burn away the pain pathways to the brain. I walked out of the room and never used the crutches or canes or walkers again. I feel no nerve pain now from my back. I can run, lift heavy stuff, whatever. I still get muscle pain in the back like everyone does from strain, but no more agony.

Check it out!
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Thanks Jerry!!! I am definitely looking into it.
 
Jerry, there is a guy I work with who's sister had major back problems and they burned the nerves in her back and he said that she is a lot better then she used to be. He did say though that the surgery for her was the most pain she had gone through. Did you not have major pain during the surgery or even just post surgery? He said they made sure she was awake during the procedure.

I ask because I have a myofascial tear in my neck that goes into my back for the pain. I have a desk job and the pain is there every single day. I too have done all the injections etc with no luck. Tramadol 300 mg slow release helps it, but the pain still remains. Just curious on how dangerous this "burning nerves" procedure is in the back and if it is worth looking into.
 
metallicane said:
Thanks for sharing. I hope you can find some more good action on the clean.
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I got all the action in the world over here. I don't play on drugs and am only relating this because of the fact that I found it curious that taking more than my normal dose literally numbed me to feeling the shot.

I had that realization about four hours into the session. I might be wrong but that's what I think. And it kind of makes sense because the pain pills dull the feeling all over.

I don't want you all to get the impression that I am hooked on pills or anything. 30 pain pills will last me a year as infrequently as I use them.

Nor do I use them to play on to make me play better. But when I do play for hours it KILLS my back. I figured I owed this guy a shot at his money and of course I wanted to make a bigger score. So being already tired and injured I decided to up the dose and it backfired.

The pain was gone, mostly, but so was the touch.
 
I had no choice in the matter of pain meds, I was crippled up and to the point of suicide a few times & im not suicidal at all. My point is if it hurts so what? deal with it, the price of drugs is so high (no pun) its not worth it.

The reason you couldnt play after a pill or 2 is cause your not used to them, i could take handfulls of them and played fine, I know champions who take/took way more than me and could give me the 5 out and the pop.

Dont get used to them and stay away if at all possible, its just not worth it, i been off them for 3.5 years and I still aint 100%.

Drugs are for the weak minded people of VERY sick as in my case.

I dont believe your either of the above,

Best

eRic
 
Spimp13 said:
Jerry, there is a guy I work with who's sister had major back problems and they burned the nerves in her back and he said that she is a lot better then she used to be. He did say though that the surgery for her was the most pain she had gone through. Did you not have major pain during the surgery or even just post surgery? He said they made sure she was awake during the procedure.

I ask because I have a myofascial tear in my neck that goes into my back for the pain. I have a desk job and the pain is there every single day. I too have done all the injections etc with no luck. Tramadol 300 mg slow release helps it, but the pain still remains. Just curious on how dangerous this "burning nerves" procedure is in the back and if it is worth looking into.
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I had 5 major operations and did that nerve burning thing, it didnt relieve much pain in my case it changed the nature of the pain. In some people it works great others it dont. It cant make things worse, infact i'm probably going to do it again.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
JB,

Check out spinal ablation (nerve-burning). I had a terrible back for 30 years. Did the epidural injections, took tons of oxycodone, all that stuff. Nothing helped. There were days on end where I could not get off the floor for any reason. I could not even lift myself up far enough to get a thin foam pad under me. Absolute misery.

Then, about six years ago, I went to a new doctor who suggested that my back was going to hurt forever and what we needed to treat was not the back, but the pain. So I did the nerve burning. I came in on crutches, very slowly. The whole procedure took 20 minutes or so. They lay you down, numb up your back so you feel nothing, then put six needles down into your spine. Wires come out of the needles and cover the nerves (they watch with a fluoroscope). Then they heat the needles and burn away the pain pathways to the brain. I walked out of the room and never used the crutches or canes or walkers again. I feel no nerve pain now from my back. I can run, lift heavy stuff, whatever. I still get muscle pain in the back like everyone does from strain, but no more agony.

Check it out!
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Jerry is in great shape thats for sure, hope you been well buddy. i'm kinda back in the loop again,

Best
Eric
 
I don't have any back pain as serious as what has been described here but I do suffer frequently from lower back pain. Not to sound like an infomercial, but Krill oil helped me a LOT. I tried an experiment that lasted two months of taking just one 500mg capsule per day. My lower back pain disappeared after about a week of taking the product and didn't reappear until about a week after I ran out. I hadn't realized that a problem I was having with frequent numbness in my forearms and hands (attributed to carpal) had also disappeared until it returned after ceasing the krill oil. Joint pain from my knees also reappeared.

Needless to say, I have a good supply of the krill oil on order.
 
It is probably better for you in the long run that you played horrible on the meds. Just think if you played lights out. You might be reaching for some the next time you played.
 
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On a serious note. I live with chronic back pain myself and I do understand.


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I had no pain at all, not even discomfort. A lot of this depends on who does the procedure. Make certain that you will get a mild anesthesia to relax you (yes, you have to be awake) and that they give the injection spot Novocaine (or whatever it is) time to work before they begin.

I had no problems at all. I used the pain center at Harbin Clinic in Rome, GA.

Some back doctors I had in the past gave VERY painful epidural injections. It all depends on who is holding the needle. Go to a great place like Baylor in Dallas or Emory in Atlanta and you will have no problems. A patient who is in pan would make this procedure a lot tougher as the patient has to tell the doctor when he feels certain sensations from the spine nerves. It assures the doc that he is in the right spot to do the burning. Even a decent doctor can do this without causing pain if he wishes to. It is a VERY simple procedure. Takes al of twenty minutes to do, start to end.

Spimp13 said:
Jerry, there is a guy I work with who's sister had major back problems and they burned the nerves in her back and he said that she is a lot better then she used to be. He did say though that the surgery for her was the most pain she had gone through. Did you not have major pain during the surgery or even just post surgery? He said they made sure she was awake during the procedure.

I ask because I have a myofascial tear in my neck that goes into my back for the pain. I have a desk job and the pain is there every single day. I too have done all the injections etc with no luck. Tramadol 300 mg slow release helps it, but the pain still remains. Just curious on how dangerous this "burning nerves" procedure is in the back and if it is worth looking into.
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Montana Mike said:
It is probably better for you in the long run that you played horrible on the meds. Just think if you played lights out. You might be reaching for some the next time you played.
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That is very true. Actually the title was more of joke. I have played lights out on drugs before. One time a friend gave me cocaine and we played for about an hour and I told her I didn't want any more. I said I could see how people could get addicted to it. Another time someone gave me a pill and I have no idea what it was....my knees felt like they had tiny pins being stuck in them but not in bad way.......but for about two hours I could not miss a ball and beat a guy on the bar box giving up the five out for 20 dollars. I was not trying to take drug to play on, I was just in bad space and was experimenting with something to feel better. I just gave the guy the five out to see what would happen.

As far as the pain pills go I try really hard to not take more than one or two per week and taking two in one day was a lot for me.

so I agree. if I had played great then I could see myself justifying the increased dose. and as Fatboy said I wasn't used to them. I had a buddy who wouldn't get on the table if he had not eaten at least four hydros and smoked some pot. he would offer me some and I would politely decline.
 
From what i saw til now on thos *all night long* money matches, the guys who were pumped up with drugs got slaughtered at the end-in the case that the opponent was a real healthy sportsman.
Some guys are able to shoot nicley when they re stoned for example- but just at the moment, when the first negative thoughts are comin up, they have usualy absolutley no chance to come back! then they re lost in the universe and easy food for every clean guy.

To be forced to take such strong pills against pain is really a matter. I know what you re talking about John- i hear ya

lg
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Ratta said:
From what i saw til now on thos *all night long* money matches, the guys who were pumped up with drugs got slaughtered at the end-in the case that the opponent was a real healthy sportsman.
Some guys are able to shoot nicley when they re stoned for example- but just at the moment, when the first negative thoughts are comin up, they have usualy absolutley no chance to come back! then they re lost in the universe and easy food for every clean guy.

To be forced to take such strong pills against pain is really a matter. I know what you re talking about John- i hear ya

lg
Ingo
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It's different for everyone. Some people's drug is coffee or soda, other people do red bull, some do alcohol. Other people do other stuff. And some do nothing they just have good stamina.

Trust me when I tell you that a LOT of money has been won by people who were artificially enhanced. These amateur pharmacists have a very good idea what they need to take and when. Someone who does have their mix right who can actually play is hard to beat in much the same way that a runner on drugs is hard to beat.

I have been on the receiving end and it's very hard to fade someone who can continually pump themselves up when you are getting tired and losing focus.

I don't think that it is a big secret that people use drugs in order to compete. People do it in activities where there is drug testing so why would anyone think that it doesn't happen in gambling sessions?

I just wanted to report my experience with trying to mitigate the pain and be able to play at all and over doing it.

It flat sucks to be a pool player who can't bend over the table. And it further sucks to be a player who likes to gamble a little and who FINALLY gets a decent game in the game he loves to play to be in pain and not able to play without distracting pain.

BUT - the days of the marathon session are over for me. For a lot of reasons of which the least is my back pain. I told the guy tonight that we can play but we have to limit it to a couple hours at most win or lose. Gonna play him again tomorrow night and see how it goes.
 
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