USBTC Professional or not?

[Murdoch7627]

Ric Jones,

Let's look at some questions to help us all understand what happened.

1. What was your purpose for this post? That is, what positive results did you think would happen?

2. In prior years did players have to pay on the streaming table or was it open?

3. If this was a change from prior years did you make that clear in the players meeting?

4. Did Stevie play on the streaming table before the hot seat match in question and did he have to pay then?

Thank you in advance for helping us all get a clearer picture of why Stevie acted as he did.

Regards,

Frank Reid (Fly Man)

Once, again, Mr. TD how about answering these questions. You have already answered number 4. Stevie did play before and thought the streaming table was open. When did you or someone else tell him that it was a mistake?

Thanks Again,

Frank

 

[AtLarge]

... Why would I want to let the players making the most money, play for free. ...

Alternative: For any match where both players are in the money, open the table (no coin drop). When the prize money is distributed, simply deduct the appropriate amount for "table time."

Example. Player X plays three matches "in the money." The match scores are 7-5, 7-3, and 5-7. His prize money is $500. So pay him $483 ($500 less 50 cents for each of the 34 games in those three matches).​

 

[Neil]

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[2l82bgr8]

1 porpose of this post: several things, as I said I am sick of players who act out in front of the players at the event and the streaming, these people act like asses then demand respect. Because i was not made aware of this until they were into the match, i felt it was not right to say something during the match.

people are always asking why pool doesnt go anywhere, well if the top players act this way, then how many others fall for the crap and believe they are right.

2 Bad Boys has never opened the tables for streaming.

I believe that covers the questions.

 

[champ2107]

i guess your new...every sport, business,etc has people you talk about! do these people your trashing help feed you? Do you think your good for the sport coming on here trashing people? You talk about respect, but you seem pretty disrespectful yourself.

 

[2l82bgr8]

feel free to quit reading this post if you dont like it. For those who get it, great! For those who dont, oh well.

I now have a ton of more respect for Shane and the way he dealt with the situation. I failed Shane because i didnt see what was happening and put a stop to it. That will change, we will be much closer to the streaming table next year.

 

[DGHustles]

and people wonder why pool is in the state it is in.

 

[Banks]

Alternative: For any match where both players are in the money, open the table (no coin drop). When the prize money is distributed, simply deduct the appropriate amount for "table time."

Example. Player X plays three matches "in the money." The match scores are 7-5, 7-3, and 5-7. His prize money is $500. So pay him $483 ($500 less 50 cents for each of the 34 games in those three matches).​

I'm guessing that would be a huge PitA for anybody that has to do the paperwork.

And people wonder why the pros don't post on here much.

Well, if they acted like that in person, they wouldn't last a day or two on the internet. A handful of pro-speed players, new and old, have posted online.

Do you think that if John Daly posted on a golf site that his antics would be ignored? Or any other professional?

This is an open forum. Brumback is an excellent professional - he is personable, his record speaks for itself and he freely responds to all sorts of inquiries from all sorts of players. If it weren't for his presence here, I don't know if I would've spent the money on the DVD or even known about it, much less know what kind of player/person he is - a few of my own questions that he answered were enough to make up my mind. Brian Gregg posts here and there(kids, school(over now, I think) and work keep some people busy), as well as others. My brain's winding down since work's about over, but I'm sure you can think of a few others. How about Mills? Bartram? Freddy? Harcrow may say he's a step behind his brother in pool speed, but he's still got the knowledge and enough great stories to keep a narcoleptic from falling asleep.

If this were any other sport, there'd be fines for some of the poor behaviour we see out there. Maybe the post could've been done in a different way, but he acted a fool and got called on it.. welcome to adulthood and the internet. :thumbup:

 

[itsfroze]

Wow

Yes let's raise the entry fee to cover the cost!!! That way the recreation players (roughly 70%) can't afford to come to this event, just to have fun and play against one of the pro players.

That will kill the prize fund for the winning players.

No one is charging players to be on the streaming table. It's a pay per game event.

As far as me not being professional, I never demanded to be treated as a professional, nor did I act a fool in front of the camera. Sure let's keep it private, bull crap- Stevie didn't keep it private and I am sick of players acting out in front of the world and then it's pushed under the carpet.

BadBoys has never opened the table for semi or finals, once the coin mech got stuck and we had the players pay with score sheet.

Why would I want to let the players making the most money, play for free. Go to CTS on Demand and look at the brackets with payouts. This is a great event, the most bang for buck.

Sure pro players don't make as much as they should, but no excuse for this.
Also Stevie was told that the table being open earlier was a mistake, but he still acted a fool.

The players that are streamed get way more out of being on that table than the streamers. I can give you a list but I think you should think about it

Wow having the stream table be open for the semis and finals would raise the entry fee so much 70% of the players couldn't afford to come I don't believe that for one moment. Maybe you should demand to be treated as a professional, oh that's right then you too would be expected to act like a professional. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the fact that Stevie acted like that on the pay per view is enough of an embarrassment without you piling on out here. You seem so concerned about the paying for games being spread out fairly. It begs the question was Stevie the only one that acted out in the whole tournament or is he just the only one being called out on it.

 

[champ2107]

feel free to quit reading this post if you dont like it. For those who get it, great! For those who dont, oh well.

I now have a ton of more respect for Shane and the way he dealt with the situation. I failed Shane because i didnt see what was happening and put a stop to it. That will change, we will be much closer to the streaming table next year.

you sure Shane didn't agree with Stevie deep down but just did not want to make his opinion public?

 

[2l82bgr8]

yes i am sure Shane didnt agree with Stevie. itsfroze, you misunderstood my point, green fees for this event means the recreational players would have to pay more with little chance of return. Why is it so offensive that a player have to put a token in the table?

 

[champ2107]

yes i am sure Shane didnt agree with Stevie. itsfroze, you misunderstood my point, green fees for this event means the recreational players would have to pay more with little chance of return. Why is it so offensive that a player have to put a token in the table?

You should have started this thread a different way and leave Stevie out of this,whether or not he is the cause of it.

 

[justnum]

yes i am sure Shane didnt agree with Stevie. itsfroze, you misunderstood my point, green fees for this event means the recreational players would have to pay more with little chance of return. Why is it so offensive that a player have to put a token in the table?

Unless I just won at the slot machine, carrying a stack of coins and loading a machine are two responsibilities I'd pay to avoid.

Not only are you out of touch with the conditions of players at your event, you don't even know what paying tournament customers enjoy.

 

[Murdoch7627]

1 porpose of this post: several things, as I said I am sick of players who act out in front of the players at the event and the streaming, these people act like asses then demand respect. Because i was not made aware of this until they were into the match, i felt it was not right to say something during the match.

people are always asking why pool doesnt go anywhere, well if the top players act this way, then how many others fall for the crap and believe they are right.

2 Bad Boys has never opened the tables for streaming.

I believe that covers the questions.

NO, not really. Did you run the tourney last year? The question is what was done last year. It is my understanding that the streaming table was open last year. Additionally, I asked when did you or your staff tell Stevie that it was a "mistake" by your staff that he played an earlier match on the streaming table where it was open. My guess is no one told Stevie until he questioned it before the hot seat match. What I'm beginning to see is that you and your staff are to blame for the confusion that caused Stevie to get upset in the first place and you want to blame Stevie. WTF

 

[RobertR]

NO, not really. Did you run the tourney last year? The question is what was done last year. It is my understanding that the streaming table was open last year. Additionally, I asked when did you or your staff tell Stevie that it was a mistake that he played an earlier match on the streaming table where it was open. My guess is no one told Stevie until he questioned it before the hot seat match. What I beginning to see is that you and your staff are to blame for the confusion that caused Stevie to get upset and you want to blame Stevie. WTF

Somehow they are to blame for someone screaming "F**k you!!!" at someone else over $5? Sorry man, I was standing there. You are so caught up in splitting hairs you are missing the real point. The behavior was inexcusable, he was flat out lucky he didn't get tossed.

 

[Celtic]

feel free to quit reading this post if you dont like it. For those who get it, great! For those who dont, oh well.

I now have a ton of more respect for Shane and the way he dealt with the situation. I failed Shane because i didnt see what was happening and put a stop to it. That will change, we will be much closer to the streaming table next year.

Given the way you handled this and the vast majority of the people on this thread who are both knowledgeable about the game and represent a significant percentage of the diehard fans of this sport completely disagreeing with your decision to post this are you totally sure you will BE there next year?

About 90% of the people on this thread are telling you that you were wrong in posting this thread and that you continue to be wrong in the way you are handling the situation and you are choosing to remain oblivious to that fact.

Stevie might learn from his experience and figure out better ways to handle things in the future. The question then becomes will you?

 

[thekid0627]

Yes let's raise the entry fee to cover the cost!!! That way the recreation players (roughly 70%) can't afford to come to this event, just to have fun and play against one of the pro players.

That will kill the prize fund for the winning players.

No one is charging players to be on the streaming table. It's a pay per game event.

As far as me not being professional, I never demanded to be treated as a professional, nor did I act a fool in front of the camera. Sure let's keep it private, bull crap- Stevie didn't keep it private and I am sick of players acting out in front of the world and then it's pushed under the carpet.

BadBoys has never opened the table for semi or finals, once the coin mech got stuck and we had the players pay with score sheet.

Why would I want to let the players making the most money, play for free. Go to CTS on Demand and look at the brackets with payouts. This is a great event, the most bang for buck.

Sure pro players don't make as much as they should, but no excuse for this.
Also Stevie was told that the table being open earlier was a mistake, but he still acted a fool.

The players that are streamed get way more out of being on that table than the streamers. I can give you a list but I think you should think about it

your talking about stevie being unprofessional look in the mirror buddy. stevie is one of the upmost respected touring pros an from what it seems had a small misunderstanding an you turn it to embarass him. As a "tournament director" i use that word loosly becuase it sounds like you have no clue you should be ashamed trying to embarass someone like this. If you had a prob how stevie acted im sure you could have gotten a hold of him in a private manner instead you trash him where thousands of ppl can read it.

 

[thekid0627]

Wow having the stream table be open for the semis and finals would raise the entry fee so much 70% of the players couldn't afford to come I don't believe that for one moment. Maybe you should demand to be treated as a professional, oh that's right then you too would be expected to act like a professional. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the fact that Stevie acted like that on the pay per view is enough of an embarrassment without you piling on out here. You seem so concerned about the paying for games being spread out fairly. It begs the question was Stevie the only one that acted out in the whole tournament or is he just the only one being called out on it.

Stevie was not the only player that lashed out. That is what the " tournament director" is failing to mention.

 

[Celtic]

green fees for this event means the recreational players would have to pay more with little chance of return. Why is it so offensive that a player have to put a token in the table?

How much more? The rec players have to pay their entry fee AND pay for the tokens as well. What does it matter if the rec player pays a $25 green fee instead of paying $1 a game? You are charging them either way. Sure if someone gets knocked out really quick they "MIGHT" save $10 with the token route after paying for their games and the warm-up rack or two they shoot. If they manage to make it a round or two they can suddenly see the green fee being cheaper.

For all intents and purposes I am a rec level player when compared to the field of the USBTC and rest assured I would rather pay the green fee and not screw around with tokens.

 

[abs]

What do you all think?

Taking the incident as you described it at face value, I would say it was unprofessional, definitely sharking intentional or not, and if he directly verbally insulted his opponent (by calling him "stupid" it seems) he should have been DQ'd... The DQ should have been automatic in my simple little world LOL.

SM may have a different take on the details of the event, I don't know; and sometimes people blow a legitimate issue way out of proportion, so perhaps he had some level of justification in his mind (though this stuff sounds pretty inexcusable).

But that being said, if he knew the requirements going in to the tournament, including pay-per-game which it sounds pretty clear he knew, then he has no place to complain about them and any complain is just being whiney and childish.

He also shouldn't expect any special privileges just for being on the streaming table, if anything he should feel lucky to get the exposure… I am pretty sure there were plenty of players would have been happy to trade places with him without the attitude.