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Sugartree cue info
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To answer your question yes I think a good stroke is all a player needs... Everything else is secondary...stroke overrides everything else and is paramount in pool...
I am sorry but I sure do not agree with you on this subject. Predator cues are made in China, except for a few that were made at American production cue companies or their older products that were made in Canada. I have never been able to justify the price of those cues when you consider the materials used and the cheap labor where they are made.
I build cues myself and I have worked on many Predator cues the lack of quality control is very surprising since they moved production to China and their warranty program is also becoming very very hit and miss. Sometimes they will not even correct problems that are due to poor quality materials.
The Sugar Tree cues are entirely a different story: Eric comes from a wood working back ground and he mills a large part of his own wood, so when it comes to materials their is no comparison. He also has a great deal of knowledge concerning the property's of different woods which is very important when combining woods and materials used in cues. He is one the only custom cue maker I am aware of who selects, cuts, and prepares his wood in this manner. That is why his cues have some of the most beautiful woods used today. Along with this his shaft wood is also of the highest quality, he selects it and cuts it himself.
Next his method of assembling his cues is also top notch, and when you combine all of this you get a quality product that should not even be compared to a product made in China or anywhere else on an assembly line.
That is why his cues cost so much money, and why so many people want one. Their is no better advertising than word of mouth and I have never heard one of his customers make anything except great comments about a cue purchased. He doesn't pay them to make these comments so I suspect that in the case of his cues they are what they are made out to be concerning hit and playability.
Sir....secondary sure not nothing else
i also agree that the biggest part to have a good move in pool game is a good stroke, but don't forget an equipment....if you got a good stroke but your equipment (cue) don't support you well....then you don't have any chance to show your level of playing...i've seen many many player here in Indonesia who actually got a gift , got a good basic as a pool player but because their ignorant for a pool cue can not achieve a higher level of playing.. while some of them that try to find the right equipment can easly upper their level of play...
a good cue can help you move the ball easier...a good cue can make alot of different hit easier ...and that will give you confidence while aim the ball..
TheThaiger
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I agree Predators are overpriced, but there's no doubting they're great cues. There's a very good reason they're used by virtually every player over here - they don't deflect (why make a hard game harder?) and you can draw the ball with consummate ease.
They sell by the bucket load, have millions of happy customers, yet AZ acts as if they're trodden in something smelly whenever they're mentioned.
I am a friend and teammate of Erics. He allows me in his shop and I take advantage of that whenever I can. During one visit he gave me a lesson on how he selects the woods/combinations of wood he uses beyond the looks. Let's just say he's like the "Wood Whisperer".
Very informative!
Very informative!
I would love to see a scientific test maybe using a robot or whatever to see just how dramatic or non dramatic the differences are on ball travel on a ball hit the same way with one stick vs the other. Im betting not much difference among $400 and up sticks.
not much different but still got a different....like i said earlier a good equipment can give you confident and that's a lot of thing in any game..
but i agree with you a 400$ plain jane cue ( i meant a cue that worth 400$ in quality) already consider a good equipment...
i agree that predator is a good cue for playing...they are over priced offcourse, but still a fine cue to play...but, i also don't agree with some people who claim that a production cue is as good as a top list custom cue like sugartree..
MONEY NEVER LIES to me....they are many many reason why Sugartree can receive a popularity and big reputation like today...and i believe many many player that spent 2000$ + for this cue is not an ignorant person that can be cheat so easy by a cuemaker to make a profit...
We know exactly what cost of material use for make a cue, i believe that around 100$ Max....We actually only buy a HIT, CRAFTMANSHIP, DESIGN, and last RESELL VALUE..
ask your self fairly....if you buy a predator cue for 500$ and use it for 1 year...how much can you sell your cue in secondary market...honestly answer this question....while my plainjane Sugartree from Eric cost me around 700$ with 2 shaft and i can sell it 800$ on secondary market..
TheThaiger
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I'd be pretty disappointed to buy a cue for $500 and sell it a year later. I see so many custom cues that people rave about in For Sale section to have my doubts about how they ALL play. Put it this way, I'd never buy a cue for a lot of money that I hadn't given a serious test drive to - it's just not worth the risk.
I don't know where over here is, but the greatest players whoever lived did not need a laminated shaft.
The reason many people do not have allot of great things to say about these shafts is because in reality they are an unneeded expense, just like all the other whiz bang products that come out.
Everybody is looking for something magic to improve their game. If some one shoots with a Predator cue and shaft and that works for them great. But, I guaranty I can do anything you can with a Predator shaft and I would be willing to bet on that statement. I have never used anything but a standard Maple Shaft, and that is because I have never found a single reason to change what I am using.
There are no short cuts in pool no single piece of equipment will improve you stroke only practice, equipment is only a tool and nothing more.
Craig
I could never understand how a joint, pin, and etc moves a ball or feedback telling me how much spin that I put on the ball and etc. I have always found it is due to my stroke, but I will admit that my stroke will get better results with a quality cue. And because of the quality a cue may feel better.
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I agree with Craig here. I used a Predator P2 for a couple years and it benefited me at the time. I learned a lot about english because the cue made it so damn easy. Then I went the custom route when my game got better and it took finding a stroke to do the things with custom cues that I could do with the Predator. Its been quite a few years now and I have a pretty solid stroke and can do anything with my Olney that others can do with their Predator and other LD shafts. Sure, I compensate for more deflection but I am use to it now. I also have beautiful cue, custom made to my specs that plays as good as anything out there.
Over time you will get to th point were you no longer have to allow for deflection or English at all. It all just becomes a natural part of your aim, and stroke. You just line up the shot, aim, and it doesn't matter what type of spin you are using you aim the same way every time, because you will automatically compensate without giving it any though what so ever. This also includes moving the ball around table, over time it just becomes a situation where you connect the dots.
Now you can do this with any shaft laminated or other wise, like I said above it's all about stroke, and your basic fundamentals.
that's not my question....i think you are affraid to put an answer here..
but anyway ...let's end this arguement...
if i don't have any knowledge about how a cue suppose work and there are two people who recommend me about cue..
1... A told me that buy a predator for 500$ and if somehow you are not like it ...selll it for 300$
2....B told me to buy a sugartree for 500$ and if somehow you are not like it...sell it for 600$...
then i already know what path do i choose....
I am pretty close to that now. I honestly don't think of deflection on the majority of my shots. Unless I am shooting a long shot with heavy english or using english close to a ball to avoid deflection making contact. That second one has bit me a few times in the past so I am very conscious about it now.
From what I see in the for sale thread the majority of production cues appear to lose their resale value more than custom made cues. However there are some customs that also lose their value faster than other customs. Then you have the custom cues that increase in value over time as well. Most customs appear to at least hold close to their original value.
yeah....i fully agree with you ....some top of cuemaker certaintly build a cue that atleast hold their value if not increase...
pj sugartree w/2shafts for 700?????
remind me never to do a deal with you on a cue
i'll lose my shirt
let me know when you're wanting to sell that sugar though, i'll gladly give you what you paid for it if i like it:thumbup::thumbup:
