Gold Crown V or Diamond Pro-Am

[realkingcobra]

atthecat

Its not a US company anymore.

I don't think it has as much to do with whether or not its a US company or not, as much as it has to do with who's pushing their product to be better and better and won't settle for less. Diamond, and all those involved really do care about the quality and playability of their pool tables....because they're hands on with the equipment they sell. If Diamond,...meaning Greg Sullivan didn't care so much about their pool tables and how they play overall....I'd have never got the chance to redesign their rails to play the way the Diamond's do today. Diamond is not a company that is going to sit back and rely on what they USE to build, and hope that keeps them on top of the game tomorrow....I can assure all of you that'll never happen In the last 12 years since I got involved with Diamond, they've come a long ways toward building a perfect pool table for anyone looking to buy....so much so, that I'd say that if Diamond was still producing the same tables today....a 100 years from now, they'd be their own worst enemy....because they'd be trying to sell new Diamonds....to pool rooms that still have Diamonds that still look and play great...so, they'd be that dog chasing it's tail....only to catch it in the long run:grin:

Glen

 

[MRP2k12]

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[realkingcobra]

Good reason to buy a diamond then.

Its funny i grew up right down the street from the first diamond factory in New Albany Indiana and was never interested in pool now it is my favorite table, that factory closed down me and my friends use to play in the old building smashing the flourscent lights and stripping the copper...we were little hood rats lol.

It moved to Jeffersonville, but i heard it is in Louisville now?

Nope, the factory is in Jeffersonville, and has been since the moved from that old ass building...that when it rained...it had a lake right in the middle of the plant, would have been nice if they stocked it with some Trout:grin:

Glen

 

[MRP2k12]

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[GoldCrown]

Brunswick's life time warranty is a disgrace. Do not buy a GC for it's warranty. Do not use that as a buying point.

 

[realkingcobra]

Brunswick's life time warranty is a disgrace. Do not buy a GC for it's warranty. Do not use that as a buying point.

Now, I have to defend Brunswick when it comes to their warranty, if you are the original buyer, I know they stand behind it....I know, because I've done some warranty work on different Brunswick tables, and both times Brunswick backed me up with their warranty. Keep in mind though, Brunswick might just be represented by someone that may not care that much about the table after it's sold,....so, unless Brunswick knows what's going on....it's hard to say they don't care about the warranty of their pool tables.......I'm just saying...that's all

Glen

 

[AtLarge]

JDB:

Going from memory, the Diamond at Iron Willies looks more like a Professional than a Pro-Am, because it has the pedestal feet, and, well the Iron Willie's website says so (see link in a previous post). However, this table does indeed have a ball return ...

Sean, the Diamond Professional was offered with a ball return for some time. I don't know what year they stopped that. (But I just checked the web site and it still says the Professional is offered with a ball return system. Maybe the site hasn't been updated in years? Or they started offering it again? Maybe RKC will give us current information.)

 

[realkingcobra]

Sean, the Diamond Professional was offered with a ball return for some time. I don't know what year they stopped that. (But I just checked the web site and it still says the Professional is offered with a ball return system. Maybe the site hasn't been updated in years? Or they started offering it again? Maybe RKC will give us current information.)

No, the Professionals don't have the ball return option anymore, but if someone really wanted a new 9ft Professional...I'd see what I could do about installing a ball return system just for that table only:grin:

 

[Black-Balled]

I don't think

if Diamond was still producing the same tables today....a 100 years from now, they'd be their own worst enemy....because they'd be trying to sell new Diamonds....to pool rooms that still have Diamonds that still look and play great...so, they'd be that dog chasing it's tail....only to catch it in the long run:grin:

Glen

Interesting thought. Diamond seems to be quite aware of successful marketing strategies and I wonder how it will maintain its position as the market leader of professional pool tables.

Glen...are you working on planned obsolesence? Tell us da truf.

 

[realkingcobra]

Interesting thought. Diamond seems to be quite aware of successful marketing strategies and I wonder how it will maintain its position as the market leader of professional pool tables.

Glen...are you working on planned obsolesence? Tell us da truf.

As far as I'm concerned, Diamond is so far ahead of the competition with their "ProAm" table, I don't think any other manufacture has a chance to compete today, or even tomorrow. One of the biggest mistakes I think manufactures make, is the need to come out with a NEW table to create new sales in order to AGE the tables they've already built and sold, which in turn devalues the tables already on the used table market...like the Gold Crowns. Diamond is not going to change the look of the ProAms, there is no need to do that, so what that does is over time as the price of new Diamond's go up with the cost of living...so does the value of the ProAms already in the market place. Diamond has a lockup in this industry with their "1" piece 9ft slates because I can assure you no one in this industry is going to go through all the hell Diamond has had to go through in order to be able to handle their pool tables, setting them up for tournaments....and getting them delivered to customers NO distributorship selling pool tables in this country...or any other country for that matter, is going to want to handle tables completely assembled like Diamond does on a daily basis.....if you ever want to test my statement, just call ANY billiards retail store and ask them what the cost is to move a Diamond ProAm:grin:....it's not that they CAN'T....it's because they DON'T want to because it's to much work...so it's not a hit'n run job, which is what they're really into, yet...I move them by myself all the time....so what does that say

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

Glen...are you working on planned obsolesence? Tell us da truf.

Here's a thought, if a tire manufacture made a new tire for cars that never needed to be replaced, sooner or later...wouldn't they run out of used cars to sell them to, if they installed them on every new car built and sold?

 

[Black-Balled]

Here's a thought, if a tire manufacture made a new tire for cars that never needed to be replaced, sooner or later...wouldn't they run out of used cars to sell them to, if they installed them on every new car built and sold?

The only real knowledge I have on the topic is related to a bicycle component manufacturer, Shimano. They got end date for useable life nailed down :slap:. You willbuy a new one in 4 yrs:angry:.

Kind of a different beast though, the pool table. Don't know how you'd engineer a wear out aspect.

Not my job though! Not yet, anyway!

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

... Diamond has a lockup in this industry with their "1" piece 9ft slates because I can assure you no one in this industry is going to go through all the hell Diamond has had to go through in order to be able to handle their pool tables, setting them up for tournaments....and getting them delivered to customers NO distributorship selling pool tables in this country...or any other country for that matter, is going to want to handle tables completely assembled like Diamond does on a daily basis.....if you ever want to test my statement, just call ANY billiards retail store and ask them what the cost is to move a Diamond ProAm:grin:....it's not that they CAN'T....it's because they DON'T want to because it's to much work...so it's not a hit'n run job, which is what they're really into, yet...I move them by myself all the time....so what does that say

Glen

Glen, can you explain this further? I thought the main draw back for manufacturers using one piece slates was simply that they are more difficult or impossible to deliver in certain situations, like up stairs, around corners, etc. So manufacturers don't want to make them because there would be some locations are more difficult or impossible that they can't be delivered and set up in (and therefore can't get sold). But I was under the impression that the reason ProAms are used in so many tournaments is because the one piece slates generally easier to deliver, set up, and install at a venue than 3 piece slates - assuming a fairly straight shot from the truck to the final location. I mean if they are more difficult to handle then why aren't Professionals used more often for tournaments?