If you really want to know how Shanelle Lorain plays

Icon of Sin said:
Ah, I see your sarcasm and I will raise you...

Of those people that entered the US Open and were way over their head, can you name them? How many of them had a paid trip and entry fee from a sponsor who is marketing them as a pool player?

And exactly... who wants to see that? Thats why the busiest days at the USOpen are later in the week.
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I can't name them, because I don't know. Which is, of course, your point. So you're upset she has noteriety?

As to who pays the freight, don't know/don't care. Little johnny Q Banger could have had his rich uncle pay his way, you don't know and neither do I. Doesn't matter.

It's a bit of a reverse double standard, simply because she's pretty, and is being promoted by CW. It isn't how badly she plays or that she shouldn't be there against that level of competition, it's merely that she's being promoted, because she is pretty.

Don't get all high and mighty about the level of pool being played, in an open tournament. Regardless of who paid the entry.

(I seem to recall contests being run for paid entry into some big tournaments over the years....not necessarily the US Open, but it could have been. It's an open tournament. I could enter. Trust me, you'd be wishing for shanelle after watching me. But I could enter, regardless of who paid the entry fee.)
 
justadub said:
I can't name them, because I don't know. Which is, of course, your point. So you're upset she has noteriety?

As to who pays the freight, don't know/don't care. Little johnny Q Banger could have had his rich uncle pay his way, you don't know and neither do I. Doesn't matter.

It's a bit of a reverse double standard, simply because she's pretty, and is being promoted by CW. It isn't how badly she plays or that she shouldn't be there against that level of competition, it's merely that she's being promoted, because she is pretty.

Don't get all high and mighty about the level of pool being played, in an open tournament. Regardless of who paid the entry.

(I seem to recall contests being run for paid entry into some big tournaments over the years....not necessarily the US Open, but it could have been. It's an open tournament. I could enter. Trust me, you'd be wishing for shanelle after watching me. But I could enter, regardless of who paid the entry fee.)
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The problem is, the Dragon Promotions events are billed as "World" events. Not open tourneys. Granted we know Charlie Williams is not actually hosting 'sanctioned' events. He's just hosting tournaments with the word 'World' in them... with the hopes that those who tune in won't know any better.

But then let's talk about the streams. A challenge match on air for money between a D player and a B player? Sounds thrilling, right??? The point isn't 'who paid the entry fee'. The point is... don't use the "doing it to promote pool" bullsh*t excuse because its just that... bullsh*t. You're not trying to put pool on the map to a new audience. You're promoting matches to people who already play pool. Essentially, you're trying to sell SHI*TTY pool to a pool-loving crowd. And why would one do that??? Because it puts money in Charlie's pocket. Period. End of story.
 
mia said:
The problem is, the Dragon Promotions events are billed as "World" events. Not open tourneys. Granted we know Charlie Williams is not actually hosting 'sanctioned' events. He's just hosting tournaments with the word 'World' in them... with the hopes that those who tune in won't know any better.

But then let's talk about the streams. A challenge match on air for money between a D player and a B player? Sounds thrilling, right??? The point isn't 'who paid the entry fee'. The point is... don't use the "doing it to promote pool" bullsh*t excuse because its just that... bullsh*t. You're not trying to put pool on the map to a new audience. You're promoting matches to people who already play pool. Essentially, you're trying to sell SHI*TTY pool to a pool-loving crowd. And why would one do that??? Because it puts money in Charlie's pocket. Period. End of story.
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Was the stream free and did you have a choice to watch it? It seems like your real problem is with CW after reading this post. I belive she also QUALIFIED for the 2009 Womens World 10 ball so I guess that shouldn't be aloud? Didn't she also win a match against Jenette Lee a few years ago too. Not too bad for a D player.

You and a few others seem to have a problem with her however the people that really matter in this which are her peers seem to be fine with her. Those peers are the other lady professionals. Other than her sponsors it's their opinion that matters most not yours
 
mia said:
The problem is, the Dragon Promotions events are billed as "World" events. Not open tourneys. Granted we know Charlie Williams is not actually hosting 'sanctioned' events. He's just hosting tournaments with the word 'World' in them... with the hopes that those who tune in won't know any better.

But then let's talk about the streams. A challenge match on air for money between a D player and a B player? Sounds thrilling, right??? The point isn't 'who paid the entry fee'. The point is... don't use the "doing it to promote pool" bullsh*t excuse because its just that... bullsh*t. You're not trying to put pool on the map to a new audience. You're promoting matches to people who already play pool. Essentially, you're trying to sell SHI*TTY pool to a pool-loving crowd. And why would one do that??? Because it puts money in Charlie's pocket. Period. End of story.
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Look, I tend to view anything CW is involved with skeptically, as much as anyone. I do not believe he is out for anyone other than himself (up to and including his behind-the-scenes machinations of the ABP), as evidenced by his decision to not play the 14.1 championship at SBE. He gets no pass from me. Strife him all you like, and I'll help along the way.

That having been said, I don't think Ms. Lorraine is "bad" for pool. If all of a sudden there were 8-12 ladies playing her speed, all involved in these tournaments merely as publicity vehicles, perhaps this could justify the outrage. One player, finding her way, doing and saying all the right things....that ain't the worst thing to happen to pool. I think she represents pool just fine. Obviously, anyone who plays the game can gauge her ability, and realize the situation. There is no conspiracy, no one being misled.

Oh well. Tolerance is always in short supply here on AZB. Far easier and much more fun to tear down.... Have at it.
 
justadub said:
That having been said, I don't think Ms. Lorraine is "bad" for pool. If all of a sudden there were 8-12 ladies playing her speed, all involved in these tournaments merely as publicity vehicles, perhaps this could justify the outrage.
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This is pool... promoters cant afford to put 12 hot bangers into tourneys and pay their travel expenses.

on the same note...

This is pool... if promoters could afford to put 12 hot bangers into tourneys they would probably do it :rolleyes:

:D
 
There are a lot of women that play pool and we aren't going anywhere. Putting perverts in charge of pool is dangerous.
 
I wonder if it would be better for Shanelles pool game if she had a different coach. Someone like Nick Varner?
 
Wow powerfully comments and the amazing thing is you are exactly right on with all of them.its so good to a ladies point of view and you always say it as you see it.

Dorabelle for President
 
Her stroke is restricted by a few mechanical flaws. Everything else comes after. This takes less than 4 days to soak in and a year to change before she'll realize the correct way to stroke (six months and she'll be pocketing balls really well)...many people are unaware or proper stroke mechanics. She has a strong body, and will to execute. That's all it takes.
 
C.Milian said:
Her stroke is restricted by a few mechanical flaws. Everything else comes after. This takes less than 4 days to soak in and a year to change before she'll realize the correct way to stroke (six months and she'll be pocketing balls really well). She has a strong body, and will to execute. That's all it takes.
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She has been in the pool world with pro coaches for 4 years.

In 6 months she will be playing her same speed.
 
Icon of Sin said:
She has been in the pool world with pro coaches for 4 years.

In 6 months she will be playing her same speed.
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I'm smart as a brick and six months had my head spinning. Sometimes something is stated that doesn't make much sense. She seems like an intelligent girl, so there must be something wrong with the process.
 
C.Milian said:
I'm smart as a brick and six months had my head spinning. Sometimes something is stated that doesn't make much sense. She seems like an intelligent girl, so there must be something wrong with the process.
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Either that or she really has no interest in pool. She may just be doing it for the exposure and the attention and pay check.

In 4 years with Pros and wanting to get better she should be playing at least at APA 5 speed. She is around a 3 at best.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
I don't know why everybody knocks on Shanelle so much. Does she seem to have any significant talent for the game? Nope, not as far as we can tell anyway. Is she clearly a notch or two (or three) under the competition in many or even most of the events that she plays? Yep. I don't ever recall her claiming to be as good as these other players either though.

She seems to be doing what we all did at one time, particularly when we were still learning. Entering events that were way over our head because we enjoyed it, and for the experience, in an attempt to get better. We were all once "that person". You know who I am talking about, you still see them at every single event you play in. And most of us still are "that person", or at least we would be, if we still had the guts or the desire to enter high enough level tournaments.

Would I personally enter an "open" tournament that regardless of the "open" name I knew was really just a pro tournament that was specifically intended for the pro level players, and that would consist almost exclusively of pro level players, and especially if it is being streamed/televised/reported on? Hell no. A good example would be the few average league player types that managed to get on the IPT tour a few years back. Now my personal decision would be partly out of my "respect for the tournament and the sport", but I also have to admit it is largely out of pride because I would feel like an idiot with the world seeing how out of my league I was. But if someone else isn't as scared, and doesn't let their embarrassment and pride get in the way of their wanting to gain experience and have fun, can I really fault them, particularly when we know that is their reason and not that they think they actually belong there based on their skill?

There is one other difference between Shanelle and the rest of us that are out of our league at the tournaments we play in (or that would be if we played in the right tournaments). We weren't hired to do it--she was. She was blessed with a particular natural beauty and poise, and as such was hired as a representative and promoter of a brand. Her job is to get the brand exposure, and to represent them in a professional manner. It seems to me that she has been successful in fulfilling both of these things.

She is having fun competing in these tournaments. She is wanting to learn and grow from the experience of being in over her head. She is fulfilling what she was hired to do by bringing good exposure to a brand. At the end of the day I can't say I can truly find fault in any of that.

Not to mention that she is human and saying hurtful things about her (which I'm sure she reads and/or hears about) serves no purpose and isn't deserved. She knows she isn't a world beater. It would be one thing if she thought she was, then I could understand people lashing out at her. But she is just a girl that wants to get experience, improve, have fun, and as a side bonus while doing something she enjoys, get a little financial reward by delivering on a job that she was hired to do.
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Very well said.
 
She can't play that bad. I heard she made it into the second round winners side not too long ago. She beat some girl named bye.
 
Icon of Sin said:
Either that or she really has no interest in pool. She may just be doing it for the exposure and the attention and pay check.

In 4 years with Pros and wanting to get better she should be playing at least at APA 5 speed. She is around a 3 at best.
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Nothing wrong with it. I'm tired of walking into the pool hall and seeing a bunch of weeners anyways.
 
C.Milian said:
Her stroke is restricted by a few mechanical flaws. Everything else comes after. This takes less than 4 days to soak in and a year to change before she'll realize the correct way to stroke (six months and she'll be pocketing balls really well)...many people are unaware or proper stroke mechanics. She has a strong body, and will to execute. That's all it takes.
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what are these mechanical flaws?
 
C.Milian said:
Nothing wrong with it. I'm tired of walking into the pool hall and seeing a bunch of weeners anyways.
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I was going to type up a nice, dignified response but if a comparison like this is your best defense than it is not even worth explaining how absurd it sounds.
 
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