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deanoc

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use cnc engraving and people criticize while they compliment others doing the same thing

i am on the top of the list for a searing cue.and i noticed today that he actually uses rounded inlays and everyone was complimentary

i have always been led to believe that sharp inlays were very important
when spending over $2000 for a cue

why are these considered bad for some cuemakers and good for others?
 
deanoc said:
use cnc engraving and people criticize while they compliment others doing the same thing

i am on the top of the list for a searing cue.and i noticed today that he actually uses rounded inlays and everyone was complimentary

i have always been led to believe that sharp inlays were very important
when spending over $2000 for a cue

why are these considered bad for some cuemakers and good for others?
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Dean...good question, I have wondered that myself. Seems like the higher the demand of some makers, the less it matters.

For those 'purists', seems a bit hypocritical, IMHO.
 
I see cues under $700 having rounded inlays then, up to 2500ish sharp inlays are mostly expected and from there up into the multi thousands they do not have to be sharp especially on the art cues. From what I see it all depends on who the target market for the cue is going to be as well as the design elements the maker is wanting to use.
I think alot of people start with rounded and work their way into sharp pointed inlays when learning cnc. I now mostly do sharp inlays in everything now but my older cues had rounded points. Standards, expectations and my peoples tastes change over time.
 
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I think some cuemakers either use CNC for speed and to control accuracy and "maybe" cannot do some of the work without using CNC,,,,,while others use CNC to express their creativity.
 
deanoc said:
use cnc engraving and people criticize while they compliment others doing the same thing

i am on the top of the list for a searing cue.and i noticed today that he actually uses rounded inlays and everyone was complimentary

i have always been led to believe that sharp inlays were very important
when spending over $2000 for a cue

why are these considered bad for some cuemakers and good for others?
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I think any cuemaker who fails to hand cut sharp corners in ANY cue he's selling is just plain lazy - IF the design benefits from a crisp, sharp look, that is.

Regarding the Searing in question, here's an opportunity for you to decide if the design calls for sharp corners:

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I personally think any inlaid diamond shape looks better with sharp corners, and especially feel it's mandatory for any diamond-in-diamond design. Your taste, however, may differ - so you'll have to decide for yourself. Then, if you agree the crisp, sharp inlay looks better in a V-point cue, the next question is whether Searing is capable of doing it.

TW
 
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I am not capable of either method, but I definitely like the sharp points. I look for that when purchasing cues. I have bought 0 cues without sharp points since I gave up shooting with a production cue.
 
Mr. Wayne I completely agree with your post. Sharp points and inlays are a must for me when I started looking at custom cues back in 2004. I still have my first cue I ever bought and to me between that and a custom with sharp points the difference is night and day.

I think the cues that really turn me off the most is when you have sharp points and the marker did not have sharp points on inlays. It does show laziness on the CM's part and makes me believe he just wanted to hurry up and get it out of his shop.
 
i could be way off here but i believe this is an older cue built long before dennis started using the equipment he has now. his work now is light years ahead of the work in this cue. check out his current work, his precision inlay work and sharp inlays are second to none. i believe this is common knowledge.

guy
 
Thomas Wayne said:


I think any cuemaker who fails to hand cut sharp corners in ANY cue he's selling is just plain lazy - IF the design benefits from a crisp, sharp look, that is.

Regarding the Searing in question, here's an opportunity for you to decide if the design calls for sharp corners:

Searingfixed.jpg


I personally think any inlaid diamond shape looks better with sharp corners, and especially feel it's mandatory for any diamond-in-diamond design. Your taste, however, may differ - so you'll have to decide for yourself. Then, if you agree the crisp, sharp inlay looks better in a V-point cue, the next question is whether Searing is capable of doing it.

TW
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I couldn't agree more. When I am requesting a design element that requires sharp corners/angles, I really want them sharp...especially when getting up in those price points.

Now there are some inlay designs where a sharp point isn't critical...such as the example below:

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The inlay element used is naturally 'curvy' and uses more 'rounds' and very little corners/angles. In this case it's a bit more acceptable, to me anyways...which is why I supplied the actual design I wanted, which was a little more fluid. There are other examples of this particular inlay design that do require sharper lines, and have seen other makers make that happen.
 
guycrunch said:
i could be way off here but i believe this is an older cue built long before dennis started using the equipment he has now. his work now is light years ahead of the work in this cue. check out his current work, his precision inlay work and sharp inlays are second to none. i believe this is common knowledge.

guy
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you are right my Friend, this Cue is FROM 2001 and his new Cues are damn nicer done.
 
What if the original customer that ordered the cue, ordered it with rounded inlays instead of sharp inlays because thats what they wanted. Like Guy & Ralf said this cue pictured in the gallery was made back in 2001. I`m sure Dennis has made many changes in his cue designs from years past to present with great success.
 
Jmop....

I have installed some leather, lizard, and elephant ear wraps on Searing for some of my customer cues and cue is well balance, and great play ability. That Searing cue pictures was made in 2001. I wonder how thick is that outer border ivory diamond? To me sometime cue can have all the dots, diamonds inlays or very intricat inlays by cue doesn't have the hit I am looking for. Play ability is very important to me if I were looking to by a cue I want to play with not just a closet queen :D. I still like old school desinged points with veneers:D.
 
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guycrunch said:
i could be way off here but i believe this is an older cue built long before dennis started using the equipment he has now. [...]
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Unless I'm mistaken, carving knives, chisels, and other sharp instruments have been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. In fact, before the advent of pantographs and CNC milling, most inlay work that called for sharp corners had them without exception.

If Searing has upgraded his own skills/work ethic then I can buy your argument, but the "equipment" for hand-cutting in sharp corners has been available to him since long before he was born...

TW
 
WOW, are you always this way? i know that the procedures for making sharp inlays have been around for a long time, but what i said was that dennis does it different now than in 2001. but you already knew that.

guy
 
deanoc said:
use cnc engraving and people criticize while they compliment others doing the same thing

i am on the top of the list for a searing cue.and i noticed today that he actually uses rounded inlays and everyone was complimentary

i have always been led to believe that sharp inlays were very important
when spending over $2000 for a cue

why are these considered bad for some cuemakers and good for others?
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Many Cuemakers make just CNC. They however don't take a true art form and many use nothing but ebony as the base wood or part and than use black glue to hide lines.

I feel people like Thomas Wayne was one of the first to turn a CNC cue into a truly functional art form and brought prices up so other Cue Makers could comand more money as well.

Dennis Searings CNC work is but a accent to compliment the rest of the cue. He is getting well known for his silver with ivory inside ultra small inlays that only a handfull of cuemakers in the world can do.

Its not just the drawing of the program, its the size (small) cutters they use multiplied by the accuracy and speed of the router.

If your concerned of a Searing inlay I understand this and since you are on deck for a cue I will sacrifice my own money and pick the cue up for myself (Joke) (unless you want to do it, LOL).

My advice, take a Jewlers lobe to a Thomas Wayne or Dennis Searing (to name a couple) and than take it to Joe Doe Inlay, you will never ask the question again.
 
Thomas Wayne said:


Unless I'm mistaken, carving knives, chisels, and other sharp instruments have been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. In fact, before the advent of pantographs and CNC milling, most inlay work that called for sharp corners had them without exception.

If Searing has upgraded his own skills/work ethic then I can buy your argument, but the "equipment" for hand-cutting in sharp corners has been available to him since long before he was born...

TW
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is there a reason you post in such large and dark letters??
 
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