Help identify this cue, please?

Xnotedgeanymore

Xnotedgeanymore

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Recently acquired this and don't know who made it. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

Weighs 19.6oz (3.9/15.7). Shaft is about 1/4" longer than my Joss shaft and has some fairly pronounced grain in the ferrule, though I am not qualified to say what it is actually made out of. I'll let the pictures explain the rest, let me know if more specific pictures would help anyone! I'll take some better ones when the sun comes back out...

EDIT: I took some more measurements of this cue in the hopes that some of the specs might stand out to someone...
The overall length is 58 3/8 (shaft/butt measure 29 5/16" and 29 1/16" respectively, measured from the face of the joint to the end of the ferrule/buttcap (IE: not including the tip or bumper.) The buttcap is 1 1/4" in length, combined with a 3" buttsleeve for 4 1/4" below the wrap. Wrapped area is 14". Joint rings are 1/2" and the joint is a hair over 1"... like 1 1/32". Ferrule is 1 1/4".

Hope this might help someone place the maker of this cue! Maybe the overall length or the wrap length sound familiar? Does the short taper or butt dimensions ring a bell? Let me know if anyone has anymore thoughts on this cue! Thanks again everyone! -Josh

ferrule base- .518" (13.15mm)
3"- .525"
6"- .528"
9"- .530"
12"- .556"
18"- .630"
collar- .832"
joint- .832"
top of wrap- 1.030"
bottom of wrap- 1.225"
buttcap- 1.275"
(note the calipers used for the measuments were worn the hell out. I will try to come up with a new pair and measure this again)


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I can't even begin to harbor a guess...but is that birdseye in the sleeve and curly in the forearm???

Interesting plug...

Jason
 
JAMSGOLF said:
I can't even begin to harbor a guess...but is that birdseye in the sleeve and curly in the forearm???

Interesting plug...

Jason
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I suppose I'd call it birdseye, however it appears curly from two angles, so I don't really know... same in the butt sleeve except the birdseye is smaller. In case that doesn't make sense heres some pictures. Took a couple of the plug too. Thanks for everyone's input and well wishes, I can't wait to go hit a few racks with this thing!

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Xnotedgeanymore said:
Recently acquired this and don't know who made it. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

Weighs 19.6oz (3.9/15.7). Shaft is about 1/4" longer than my Joss shaft and has some fairly pronounced grain in the ferrule, though I am not qualified to say what it is actually made out of. I'll let the pictures explain the rest, let me know if more specific pictures would help anyone! I'll take some better ones when the sun comes back out...



Cue looks like a Meucci to me except for the 3/8-10 pin. The weight bolt, butt cap, and ferrule all look like a Meucci. It is possible some one changed the cues pin, but I don't know.
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Nice looking player....

I don't really have any good ideas either but, the pin resembles a McDermott, bumper looks kinda like a Meucci, and the ferrule looks to me like PVC.

I'm not sure about the weightbolt.....maybe take it out and see what it looks like!?

I don't think Helmstetter used brown phenolic, not 100% sure?

It might be that you just found yourself a nice custom cue.

Hope it plays great ~ nice find ;)
 
This is a "good cue".

Could it be Adam? Maybe. But it looks like a delrin butt cap, and they didn't use that much. Also, the pin does not look Adam.

Meucci? Maybe. That bumper looks Meucci, but I don't think it is actually. Generally Meucci didn't use Delrin either.


Because the butt cap is delrin the weight bolt likely holds it on. If you take out the weight bolt be prepared for the butt cap to fall off.

I could be wrong but at this point I think it is a custom. It could be either a relatively unknown maker or perhaps the earlier work of a known maker. The joint collar material and ferrule material may lead us somewhere. My gut is telling me early eighties or maybe late seventies....but what does my gut know?

Just my thoughts. :smile:

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Thanks for all the helpful, fast replies! I hope to get this out to the pool hall tonight and roll some balls around with it, I'll let you all know how it goes.
 
Xnotedgeanymore said:
Thanks for all the helpful, fast replies! I hope to get this out to the pool hall tonight and roll some balls around with it, I'll let you all know how it goes.
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Look forward to it. I think you have a player there. Run her through the paces an let us know.

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Chopdoc said:
Look forward to it. I think you have a player there. Run her through the paces an let us know.

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I think you might be right! I got to play a couple hours with this cue last night and was very impressed to say the least... I think I may have found my new player :D I really like the feedback, its still nice and stiff but feels much less like a tree trunk than my old Joss. Cons? The tip appears to be a very old LePro and mushrooms out very quickly...
Thanks for everyone's help with this. I would love to hear some more of you guys thoughts on who might have made this cue! Also, are there any other authorities on that subject that maybe I should send a message or an email to? Thanks! -Josh
 
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nick serdula said:
They used that joint material. As did Joss.
Nick :)
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Both may have used the same material, but I am having trouble finding an example of a Biagio (or Joss) cue that has the same style buttcap or joint sleeve as mine... Could be that I am not looking in the right places though! In any case I will keep looking for similarities, thanks for the input!
 
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Xnotedgeanymore said:
Both may have used the same material, but I am having trouble finding an example of a Biagio (or Joss) cue that has the same style buttcap or joint sleeve as mine... Could be that I am not looking in the right places though! In any case I will keep looking for similarities, thanks for the input!
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It's not a JOSS. Of that I am pretty certain. Some cues I know extremely well, some almost not at all. Generally I am quite plain speaking about what I know and what I don't know. I know JOSS.

Biagio? Maybe. Biagio were made by at least three companies I believe. JOSS made some, but this is not a JOSS. The others were Asian made. It is possible it is one of those I suppose but I am not sure.

Being a plain Jane it will be more difficult to ID.

Because the wood is a bit inconsistent I am thinking it is early work by a domestic CM. Generally a CM would want their wood to be of more consistent figure than that I would think. Earlier work might be less so. One might say that an asian cue would have the same issues, but this is a pretty decent cue, not a low end Asian if it is Asian...and those cues do actually generally have some nice wood. I don't mean to degrade the wood at all, but I think the inconsistency of the figure indicates something about the selection of the wood. Maybe a CM that did not have much stock yet or a good supply yet.

I am still just guessing here but I still think it is a domestic custom at this point.
 
I'd put a cork wrap on that sucker and play with it 'till the cows come home..Heck the answer may be under the wrap...love this cue
 
Possibly very early Espiritu? He made some big pin cues and the bumper looks kinda like one of his.?
 
cuenut said:
Possibly very early Espiritu? He made some big pin cues and the bumper looks kinda like one of his.?
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That is a possibility... Easy enough to find out one way or another by sending them an email, right? I'll look for Russ' contact

UPDATE: I sent the folks art Espiritu an email with some of the pics attached and saw how freaking big the pictures are! I forgot the originals are like 3000x4000 haha! If someone wants to see the real detail of these pictures let me know and I'd be happy to email them anyone who would like to see them!
 
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I think it's worth a shot to ask Russ about it. A lot of his early work used different joints and stuff before he settled on his "standard" which was the 5/16x14 around 93 or 94. Before that he used a lot of different configurations. Mine is a 5/15x18 for example, from 92 if I remember correctly.
 
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That is a possibility... Easy enough to find out one way or another by sending them an email, right? I'll look for Russ' contact information
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Fast response from Russ, I was told that it might be one he built, that he needed to see it in person and that if it was one of his it would be a '99 or '00 model. Based on his given date I do not imagine it is one of his... Anybody's input will be appreciated!

Are there any Espiritu collectors that think it would be worth having him take a look at it?
 
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Does anyone have any more input as to who might have made this cue? I would love to find out more about it! Thanks -Josh
 
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