How Fractional Aiming Systems Help
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i will be on the sidelines watching and eating my popcorn having a beer and maybe a shot Jack!and let you guys amuse me :thumbup:
I'm glad that you are amused though I hope that some here are learning about aiming and not how to flame.
Easy on the popcorn and beer champ. Go practice some because you still need the wild-6....actually make it the orange crush.
Nick
Nick
i will be on the sidelines watching and eating my popcorn having a beer and maybe a shot Jack!and let you guys amuse me :thumbup:
Dave,
Let me rephrase my question:
Exactly how is "feel" a part of the Ghost Ball Aiming system? Please describe it to me. I'm serious. Or, are you saying that Ghost Ball is not an aiming system?
Thanks,
Ghost ball is left to the imagination for if it is too small or too large, you will miss the shot.
Double distance aiming though not accurate when the OB and OB are close together is more a discrete method of aiming...if one can see the contact point and obviously CTE users...can't.
Double distance aiming though not accurate when the OB and OB are close together is more a discrete method of aiming...if one can see the contact point and obviously CTE users...can't.
are you sure about the bold above lamas...i have tinkered a lot with cte/pro1 and thats all i will say about your post.
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You're back.:smile:
In all of the CTE methods, there is no mention of the contact point on the OB that sends the OB to the pocket/target...just 1/8, A, B or C.
N'est ce pas?
from what some have posted about cte not needing any intuitive aim correction they wouldnt need the contact point or even need to see the pocket.
"Do you believe in Magic?"
Well,
in my opinion (serisouly- and i for myself feel right about this
) "to shoot/aim by feel" is often just misinterpreted.
No matter which way/system you learnt from the beginning of your billiards-journey- it will burn in sometimes into your brain.
Billiards is a game of our "Eye -- Arm ---Brain" Computer. The muscle-memory learns-and so does our brain.
So, if we watch a ball, which we want to shoot, we kind of see/feel/determine immediatley how we shot that ball *someday* already.
This is just my description about *playing by feel*. I still tell everybody, that every person on this planet uses a system--is it just through try and error, or shown by an instructor, learnt from a book or whatever.
So if you learnt ghostball, c2c, cte, pro1 ..........you just go to the table-and by just watching the position of the balls you know what is right or wrong......you have the picture already in your mind and you ll shoot it subconcsiously!
And then ppl say.... it shot it by feel! But they re just pulling out the correct available picture from the brain.
lg
Ingo
in my opinion (serisouly- and i for myself feel right about this
) "to shoot/aim by feel" is often just misinterpreted. No matter which way/system you learnt from the beginning of your billiards-journey- it will burn in sometimes into your brain.
Billiards is a game of our "Eye -- Arm ---Brain" Computer. The muscle-memory learns-and so does our brain.
So, if we watch a ball, which we want to shoot, we kind of see/feel/determine immediatley how we shot that ball *someday* already.
This is just my description about *playing by feel*. I still tell everybody, that every person on this planet uses a system--is it just through try and error, or shown by an instructor, learnt from a book or whatever.
So if you learnt ghostball, c2c, cte, pro1 ..........you just go to the table-and by just watching the position of the balls you know what is right or wrong......you have the picture already in your mind and you ll shoot it subconcsiously!
And then ppl say.... it shot it by feel! But they re just pulling out the correct available picture from the brain.
lg
Ingo
Thank you.
Obviously, I strongly disagree. However, if you or any others can site any specific examples of what is wrong on my site (related to CTE or anything else), and present reasonable explanations for what is in error, I would be more than happy to make corrections and improvements.
Neil, do you really think I have used names like this in referring to CTE proponents? Just because I don't agree with some of the CTE claims doesn't mean I have something personal against you guys. To me, its about the information and how it is presented ... it's not about the people.
Regards,
Dave
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And so the strategic alliances unravel, leaving a trainwreck of lies, hypocrisy and bile in their wake.
Interesting - and overdue.
Interesting - and overdue.
Hey - so when ya gonna post that video of you running through Ekkes's shot test? I know most of us are dying to see how you've incorporated DAM.
In ghost-ball based systems (e.g., classic ghost-ball, contact-point-to-contact-point or parallel-lines system, double-the-distance or double-the-overlap aiming method, etc.), one must be able to visualize a line going through the necessary ghost-ball position (accounting for throw if necessary). This step requires perception and judgement (AKA "feel"). However, if the ghost-ball center is visualized accurately, then the required line of aim is known precisely.
With the CTE approach (e.g., Stan's version of CTE), even if you choose the most appropriate cut type for a shot (i.e., pick the appropriate OB alignment point and pre-pivot cue tip position), judgement and perception is still required to "obtain the visuals" and place the bridge hand in the right place. Judgement is also required to determine what bridge length to use for a given shot. And for a chosen cut type and bridge length, assuming a "fixed bridge" pivot is used, the result of the process will create a certain cut angle which will depend on the distance between the CB and OB, and this cut angle might not be appropriate for the shot at hand. In other words, the procedure does not necessary produce the correct line of aim for every shot. The person must learn to make it work at the table through judgement, practice, and experience. Now, as many of us have pointed out, this doesn't mean that the CTE approach and the pre-shot routine it fosters can't be helpful to people. It most certainly can be helpful.
Now, I know that Pro-One is very different, and is based more on experience and intuition, without applying the prescribed mechanical steps individually, but it is still built upon the same concept.
Regards,
Dave
im going to try and start fresh all over again and forget about all the back and forth over the last few years :grin:
Can i ask you what claims some people have made that you disagree with?
Since there seems to be such a demand for such a video, I've decided to put it out on an "aiming systems" DVD instead. If you really need to see me shoot and apply DAM, you will need to shell out the cash when the DVD comes out (unless you want to come to Colorado for a private lesson). The DAM DVD will reveal all of the powerful secrets of how the pros aim so proficiently. I am confident the DAM DVD will revolutionize the pool world. For more marketing claims, see the DAM resource page.
If you are good boy, I might add you to my list for getting a free copy. On second thought, I won't add you to the list unless you can win that pissing contest we have discussed in the past (without standing on bricks).
Regards,
Dave
PS: BTW, I do still plan to post a video online some day (since you continue to ask for it). However, what would it prove or disprove? For example, if I posted a video of me using CTE and missing a bunch of shots, would that prove that CTE is terrible? And if I post a video of me making a lot of shots with DAM, would that prove that DAM is great?
PS: I am actually serious about doing an "aiming system" DVD, but I have another project I need to finish up first.
I applaud you for this.
Some example claims can be found by reading between the lines (or just by reading the actual lines) in the DAM marketing paragraphs.
IMO, my objective evaluation and analysis of the CTE approach addresses many of the claims fairly well. And my benefits of aiming systems resource page suggests many reasons why the CTE approach can still help some people learn how to aim.
I don't feel I need to add anything beyond what those pages already provide, unless some new information and/or insight emerges.
Regards,
Dave
Thanks. Then if this is your description of "feel", then not just every aiming system, but every shot in the world that has ever been attempted is made on feel.
The academics have beaten this "feel" horse to death, especially as it relates to aiming system. :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse: At least you've clarified what you consider is "feel". Now I get it.....
Hell, you need "perception and judgement" to even look at an object ball sitting on the table to determine its location.
So with this definition of "feel" I can conclude that every shot in the world requires "feel".
I done a little test just to see how much are subconscious takes over.
Using a pivot system, not pro 1 nor Ronv just something I've come up with.
I set up a shot and i pivoted from two different spots on the ob.(same spot on the cb)With my eyes open during the whole process.I made the shot both times, one was not supposed to go.My subconscious took over with out me really even trying.
I did the same thing with my eyes closed. After my setup i closed my eyes as i was turning to center cb.What was suppose to happen did.I made it once and missed it once.
Try it ,it might just surprise some of you how your mind can take over with out you even knowing it.
Sorry for my bad spelling ,im just smart in a dumb way.
Using a pivot system, not pro 1 nor Ronv just something I've come up with.
I set up a shot and i pivoted from two different spots on the ob.(same spot on the cb)With my eyes open during the whole process.I made the shot both times, one was not supposed to go.My subconscious took over with out me really even trying.
I did the same thing with my eyes closed. After my setup i closed my eyes as i was turning to center cb.What was suppose to happen did.I made it once and missed it once.
Try it ,it might just surprise some of you how your mind can take over with out you even knowing it.
Sorry for my bad spelling ,im just smart in a dumb way.
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