my question is this i have a cue i really like to play with but i want to know if its possible to have an ivory joint put on it or do i have somethin else made ? or yet who do i ask to do this reasonably and is it better if i purchase materials n send em because i want a cuemaker that knows how to install or build to make it perform not just whip it out of the shop. my cue is a nice rosewood( pauferro)plain jane style and wouldnt take much matching bcause rings can be change at joint and it it only has a maple hoppe ring in butt.. also would like pin changed. like i said its an exceptional piece of wood givs great feedback i would like to tune it a bit? suggestions?
getting an ivory joint/?
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yes i know id need the cue refinished which is why i asked should i just purchase the ivory from my end of it. the pin is a 3/8 by 10 style id want the same size back in but i thought to install the joint, the pin would have to come out i think the joint needs to be refaced off for starters. thanks for hellpin me
yes i know id need the cue refinished which is why i asked should i just purchase the ivory from my end of it. the pin is a 3/8 by 10 style id want the same size back in but i thought to install the joint, the pin would have to come out i think the joint needs to be refaced off for starters. thanks for hellpin me
1. I feel safe in saying that very few builders or mechanics would use material furnished by the customer. I know that I certainly wouldn't.
2. The pin does not need to be changed when replacing the joint unless the joint tenon is broke.
3. If the joint is going to be replaced, why would the old joint need to be re-faced for starters? It, of coarse would need to be faced once it is changed.
Dick
As far as you supplying the ivory, let me ask you a simple question that should put this in perspective.
Who do you think knows more about ivory, you or the cue-maker?
Select a CM, tell him what you want and let him do his job.
I don't do ivory, save the PM.
KJ
Who do you think knows more about ivory, you or the cue-maker?
Select a CM, tell him what you want and let him do his job.
I don't do ivory, save the PM.
KJ
Hi,
One thing to consider is that Ivory Joints can Crack the cue maker can do a perfect install and it can still happen. Some cue makers sleeve their ivory to reinforce it with phenolic. I have never done that and can not speak from experience but if Bill Stroud did it, I would say it has merit.
I do a lot of cue repair business locally as I own a pool hall and I am in no way soliciting your job as I am way too busy in my shop building cues and handling repairs from the hall. I usually try to talk a local customer from my pool hall out of going to ivory joint but if they insist, I make it clear from the get go in writing that I do not guarantee it at all from cracking. With that said, If I were you, I would ask your cue maker about all the details concerning Ivory.
There are many fine materials for joint construction. Make sure that your choice of ivory has a purpose that adds value to you game or your cue.
Ivory Joints IMHO is not all it is "Cracked Up to Be".:speechless:
Now, Ivory ferrules that is a very different story IMHO,
Rick G
One thing to consider is that Ivory Joints can Crack the cue maker can do a perfect install and it can still happen. Some cue makers sleeve their ivory to reinforce it with phenolic. I have never done that and can not speak from experience but if Bill Stroud did it, I would say it has merit.
I do a lot of cue repair business locally as I own a pool hall and I am in no way soliciting your job as I am way too busy in my shop building cues and handling repairs from the hall. I usually try to talk a local customer from my pool hall out of going to ivory joint but if they insist, I make it clear from the get go in writing that I do not guarantee it at all from cracking. With that said, If I were you, I would ask your cue maker about all the details concerning Ivory.
There are many fine materials for joint construction. Make sure that your choice of ivory has a purpose that adds value to you game or your cue.
Ivory Joints IMHO is not all it is "Cracked Up to Be".:speechless:
Now, Ivory ferrules that is a very different story IMHO,
Rick G
thank you so far
okay im not tryin to aggravate the cuemaker hell yes iknow the cuemaker knows a bit more than me since ive only helped a a couple build some cues in past. i only suggested asking if i should buy the materials because some cuemakers i know are up for challenges and like say i purchase a davis blank n ask someone to put an ivory join and rings n so on they most certainly can do this. right? now as for bein scared of ivory crackin im sure it does no cue ive ever owned including 2 richard harris cues i have owned never showed any flaws nor did they crack from 94 when cue was built to present day and one of them was my break cue it never failed and played great. i could go on n on here but bottom line now is whon is up for this task and before the egos fly im on the humble i respect cuemakers and their livelihoods sometimes i feel guilty for sendind my work to one guy instead of anothr rven tho i know em both real well so do you see my question its not a matter of if it can be done but just who exactly is gonna build me what i want. and im lookin for an aspiring builder who isnt gonna tax me for the odd request this aint my first rodeo nor my last. i appreciate all of your feedback i am just overwhelmd by the large number of makers and repairers to choose from .
okay im not tryin to aggravate the cuemaker hell yes iknow the cuemaker knows a bit more than me since ive only helped a a couple build some cues in past. i only suggested asking if i should buy the materials because some cuemakers i know are up for challenges and like say i purchase a davis blank n ask someone to put an ivory join and rings n so on they most certainly can do this. right? now as for bein scared of ivory crackin im sure it does no cue ive ever owned including 2 richard harris cues i have owned never showed any flaws nor did they crack from 94 when cue was built to present day and one of them was my break cue it never failed and played great. i could go on n on here but bottom line now is whon is up for this task and before the egos fly im on the humble i respect cuemakers and their livelihoods sometimes i feel guilty for sendind my work to one guy instead of anothr rven tho i know em both real well so do you see my question its not a matter of if it can be done but just who exactly is gonna build me what i want. and im lookin for an aspiring builder who isnt gonna tax me for the odd request this aint my first rodeo nor my last. i appreciate all of your feedback i am just overwhelmd by the large number of makers and repairers to choose from .
Changing the joint to ivory will not need a pin change. It will require the refinish. The cuemaker will most likely want to use his own ivory. Most will not warranty it not to crack down the road. But they would guarantee it to be crack free when you get it. And few would want to take a chance on having your ivory crack while working it. Then they would have the issue of who should pay for the cracked piece. And they would have wasted the time installing unstable ivory. You might provide something unusual like a piece of jewelry or stones or something the cuemaker does not stock and him use it. But stock items need to come from the cuemakers stock.
thank you again
yeah i understand all of the issues with ivory cracking and liability but im the kind of guy who buys a kamui or moori tip and cuts it ion half befor installin it. im not that guy who cries foul. if u make it for me whether u warrant it or not i know the limitations of the work and accept any and all responsibiity. i mean if u break it makin it im not gonna flip out i live n a realistic world shit happens and if i break somethin on a cue its not cuemakers fault at all because if i thought that i wouldnt b playin w it . like i said im real easy to get a long with back in my heydays some cuemakers just gave me cues to use just like the one im playin with was given to me so i know my place and im not gonna cry foul about evry little detail i see what you are saying some guys would crucify a cm if the slightest thing wasnt perfect on their cue hell a couple of my sneaky petes cost twice a smuch as cue im playin with so again im not a what if minded guy. never have been. here is a scenario that mayb u will see why im overwhlmed with info. i called joss stephen janes a couple months ago and asked he says whatever cue i decide on he will change it ivory or substitute material for an addiional twohundred fifty so the cue iwas lookin at was a wrapless no points for 300 p;lus the 2fifty and oher cost cue was gonna be six hundred thats jus one way i could go i just love the custom cues that i have been seein on az oh and cueman the shaft kind of wobbles till it gets tghtend to the joint i like my cues to have no play when shaft is bein screwed on this is why i tghought the pin would need changed i do appreciat your input thus far i mean that juma is nice joint material too.
yeah i understand all of the issues with ivory cracking and liability but im the kind of guy who buys a kamui or moori tip and cuts it ion half befor installin it. im not that guy who cries foul. if u make it for me whether u warrant it or not i know the limitations of the work and accept any and all responsibiity. i mean if u break it makin it im not gonna flip out i live n a realistic world shit happens and if i break somethin on a cue its not cuemakers fault at all because if i thought that i wouldnt b playin w it . like i said im real easy to get a long with back in my heydays some cuemakers just gave me cues to use just like the one im playin with was given to me so i know my place and im not gonna cry foul about evry little detail i see what you are saying some guys would crucify a cm if the slightest thing wasnt perfect on their cue hell a couple of my sneaky petes cost twice a smuch as cue im playin with so again im not a what if minded guy. never have been. here is a scenario that mayb u will see why im overwhlmed with info. i called joss stephen janes a couple months ago and asked he says whatever cue i decide on he will change it ivory or substitute material for an addiional twohundred fifty so the cue iwas lookin at was a wrapless no points for 300 p;lus the 2fifty and oher cost cue was gonna be six hundred thats jus one way i could go i just love the custom cues that i have been seein on az oh and cueman the shaft kind of wobbles till it gets tghtend to the joint i like my cues to have no play when shaft is bein screwed on this is why i tghought the pin would need changed i do appreciat your input thus far i mean that juma is nice joint material too.
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Ivory joint
I don't see any mention of what kind of joint is already in place. Phenolic, steel, brass or ????
Changing to ivory may change the weight and cue balance characteristics.
I'd like to see what kind of ringset to match also.
To tighten the screw in the shaft, there are a few ways to accomplish this. None cheap.
Hope I helped.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues
I don't see any mention of what kind of joint is already in place. Phenolic, steel, brass or ????
Changing to ivory may change the weight and cue balance characteristics.
I'd like to see what kind of ringset to match also.
To tighten the screw in the shaft, there are a few ways to accomplish this. None cheap.
Hope I helped.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues
The shaft screwing on as you described above could be the shaft and not the pin, most repairman can fix this for you
The curing process of Ivory is a slow one and in joints preferably from the inside out.
Ivory needs to be well acclimated to the working environment, and seal each time you work on it. Some reasons as to why the cuemaker doesn't want your Ivory.
Mario
I do ivory joints. I also do alot of repair work. The cue does not have to be refinished nor does the 3/8 pin need to be changed. The rings will have to be changed as the joint will now be 1 inch of ivory with the rings before the ivory. Really the only requirement is that the butt is straight.
Ivory is ivory, your piece or my piece makes no difference. I know what you paid for the ivory and I will deduct from what I charge the cost of your ivory. If you ivory piece cracks while I am working on it you can buy another piece of ivory. If my piece cracks while I am working on it then I replace the ivory on my nickel not yours.
Ivory may last 100 yrs. or you can look at it and it will crack. If it is left out in the cold you must let it warm up to room temperature before playing with it. If it is a one pocket cue, straight pool cue or eight ball cue, great. If it is a nine ball cue I would not suggest it even though I have several customers that like it for nine ball. Matter of fact I must replace one tomorrow on a Schon I converted 3 years ago because he tried to jump a mud ball with it and was too lazy to pull out his jump cue.
PM if you are interested in a quote.
Alex Brick
Ivory is ivory, your piece or my piece makes no difference. I know what you paid for the ivory and I will deduct from what I charge the cost of your ivory. If you ivory piece cracks while I am working on it you can buy another piece of ivory. If my piece cracks while I am working on it then I replace the ivory on my nickel not yours.
Ivory may last 100 yrs. or you can look at it and it will crack. If it is left out in the cold you must let it warm up to room temperature before playing with it. If it is a one pocket cue, straight pool cue or eight ball cue, great. If it is a nine ball cue I would not suggest it even though I have several customers that like it for nine ball. Matter of fact I must replace one tomorrow on a Schon I converted 3 years ago because he tried to jump a mud ball with it and was too lazy to pull out his jump cue.
PM if you are interested in a quote.
Alex Brick
Do you think that more balls will fall in the hole if you make this change??
Personally, I would be very afraid of anyone that said that they could "tune" a pool cue.
Better money spent putting on a nice shaft with an ivory ferrule and a harder tip.
Kim
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Is there any reason your not trying to use the actual Cue maker who made the cue????????
finally were getting somewhere!
MIKE WEBB: im sorry i was afraid the original cuemaker was sick or way covered up to turn this out in a reasonable time frame and ive also been wantin an nother cue new or used and it was just something i want i will soon have one of your cues someday soon u r superb maker!
KIM WALKER are you kiddin me?
ALEX BRICK speak of the devil i just said the other day i oughta call and ask alex to make me an ivory jointed player i bet all of my cuemaker and player friends alike will choke me for not tellin them i ordered a brick! great advice from a great cuemaker! ill be callin soon heads up pm sent
danutz again thank you for reminding me to stand up for myself what was i thinking
mcues right on the button!
mr Tom gedris of triplecrosscues im still kicking myself in the ass for not buy something u made i love longer cues
AND FINALLY im calling the original cuemaker tomorrow thanks everybody
for extending knowledge and wisdom much appreciated on a proffessional level:thumbup:
MIKE WEBB: im sorry i was afraid the original cuemaker was sick or way covered up to turn this out in a reasonable time frame and ive also been wantin an nother cue new or used and it was just something i want i will soon have one of your cues someday soon u r superb maker!
KIM WALKER are you kiddin me?
ALEX BRICK speak of the devil i just said the other day i oughta call and ask alex to make me an ivory jointed player i bet all of my cuemaker and player friends alike will choke me for not tellin them i ordered a brick! great advice from a great cuemaker! ill be callin soon heads up pm sent
danutz again thank you for reminding me to stand up for myself what was i thinking
mcues right on the button!
mr Tom gedris of triplecrosscues im still kicking myself in the ass for not buy something u made i love longer cues
AND FINALLY im calling the original cuemaker tomorrow thanks everybody
for extending knowledge and wisdom much appreciated on a proffessional level:thumbup:
Thank you very much, I love building cues but I am a 90 percent repair shop first.
This is why I asked:
Another Cue maker installed an ivory joint on one of my cues, then the customer had the balls to complain to me that he no longer liked the way the cue played afterwards, so, when I ripped his azz for it because the maximum effective range of his excuse was ZERO METERS. I gave him a very honest answer to the equation and this really happens. Some Cue makers are very, very good at what they do but they are not very good at working on others Cue makers cues with the same respect for playability that they do in their own cues.
There is really no way of knowing whether an Ivory Joint will make any cue play better no matter who installs it, even the original cuemaker. The reason is that Ivory plays like no other material on the planet and some love it and some hate it and many others fall in between on their taste for the feel it gives. So one player may think adding a Ivory joint improved the hit and another think it ruined the hit. But seeing you are a 90% repair shop it really was foolish for the guy to take the job somewhere else, since you would have made time to do it. For other brand cues the original maker may not give good turn around time on it and it be best taken elsewhere if they really want the job done. But for the most part I think it is best for the original maker to do the work, if they will do it in a reasonable time frame for a reasonable price.