Please explain this rule

nobcitypool

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I'd appreciate someone explaining the proper ruling for playing the shot where the cb is frozen to a ball or a inch or two away. The issue is avoiding the double hit. Ask 10 people and you seem to get 10 different answers. I also see people clearly violating this with a double hit all the time in league play.

Going on with this, when is a throw shot legal and when is it a foul?
 
This may help. Taken from Texas Express rules posted at http://www.angelofbilliards.com/resources/TexasExpress9-Ball-Rules.pdf

5.2: Legal Frozen Shot
When the cue ball and lowest numbered ball are frozen together, the player may shoot directly through the cue ball with a normal stroke (the normal momentary time commensurate with a stroked shot). The frozen balls must be declared and the opponent must acknowledge the declaration prior to the shot. If the player shoots without declaring and receiving acknowledgement, the shot will be considered an illegal push shot.

5.3: Illegal Push Shot and Double Hit
When the cue ball and the lowest numbered ball are barely separated, the player may not shoot directly through the shot if the action causes a push shot or a double hit. (The players should have the tournament director observe any shot where the cue ball and lowest numbered ball are barely separated.) There is no requirement that the cue stick be elevated in an attempt to eliminate the possibility of a push shot or double hit. Refer to rule 5.4 (Push Shot Definition) and rule 5.5 (Double Hit Definition) for clarification.

5.4: Push Shot Definition
A push shot may occur when the action of shooting causes the cue ball and the numbered ball being struck by the cue ball to travel at generally the same speed and distance. A normal stroke is defined by the action of the cue tip striking and not pushing the cue ball. A normal stroke is determined by the time and distance the tip remains on the cue ball, commensurate with a normally executed shot. A push shot constitutes a cue ball- in-hand foul.

5.5: Double Hit Definition
A double hit occurs when the action of shooting causes the cue ball to be struck twice (or more) by the cue tip during a single shot. A double hit constitutes a cue ball-in- hand foul. A double hit is usually caused by the cue ball rebounding off the object ball being struck, causing the cue ball to hit the cue stick tip (or ferrule or shaft) more than once.
 
Good reply RobMan. I was going to say it isn't the position of the cueball per se that creates the "double-hit", but rather the cueball's proximity to the object ball that really causes the cueball to deflect back into the tip of the cue that creates the double-hit...
 
I'd appreciate someone explaining the proper ruling for playing the shot where the cb is frozen to a ball or a inch or two away. The issue is avoiding the double hit. Ask 10 people and you seem to get 10 different answers. I also see people clearly violating this with a double hit all the time in league play.

Going on with this, when is a throw shot legal and when is it a foul?

Yes, there is a lot of confusion about double hits. The proper ruling depends on which set of rules you are playing by. The Texas Express rules quoted above are not the official rules for most competitions. You may want to read the World Standardized Rules which are available at http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play

There are some "professional" tournaments which allow multiple hits on the cue ball. That adds to the confusion. Some leagues also have their own home-brewed rule sets that permit hitting the cue ball multiple times.

I have no idea what you mean by "throw", which usually means the effect of friction between the cue ball and object ball that changes the path of the object ball. Throw happens on nearly all shots, so it would be a big problem if it were illegal.
 
I'd appreciate someone explaining the proper ruling for playing the shot where the cb is frozen to a ball or a inch or two away. The issue is avoiding the double hit. Ask 10 people and you seem to get 10 different answers. I also see people clearly violating this with a double hit all the time in league play.

Going on with this, when is a throw shot legal and when is it a foul?

You're talking about two different things, a double hit and a throw shot. As far as a double hit, the posts above go into it pretty well but not everyone goes by the same rules, especially in bar league play.
 
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